Another record month of gun sales in DEC

[TheVrolok]

But the reason most Americans buy guns is for defense.
Most Canadians buy guns for hunting.
It is just a well known fact

Is it? Have any data to support that? In addition, can a firearm have more than one purpose?

 

[spidey07]

The thing that scares me about the OP is that he said if someone came up to the window of his car he would execute them. He wants to kill someone.

If aggressive or has weapon or tries to enter vehicle then hell yes I'm shooting them. Perfectly within my right to do so as well.

 

[HAL9000]

If aggressive or has weapon or tries to enter vehicle then hell yes I'm shooting them. Perfectly within my right to do so as well.

Being within your rights doesn't make it morally OK to execute people believe it or not.

 

[spidey07]

Being within your rights doesn't make it morally OK to execute people believe it or not.

Actually it does. Violating my property or life being meet with deadly force is the moral high road and my god given right. That makes my moral right. It is a natural right that no man can take.

 

[HAL9000]

Actually it does. Violating my property or life being meet with deadly force is the moral high road and my god given right. That makes my moral right.

Oh fuck me.

1) There is no god to give you rights.
2) Being aggressive isn't "violating my property or life"
3) Executing someone pre-emptively is never a moral high road.
4) Actually it doesn't.

 

[umbrella39]

The thing that scares me about the OP is that he said if someone came up to the window of his car he would execute them. He wants to kill someone.

He has the SS already watching him. He isn't going to do shit.

 

[monovillage]

I know of 3 different people that got their first firearms this last Christmas. A woman got a self defense 9 mm, a young man got a semi-auto .22 pistol and another young man got a left handed bolt action .308 rifle. All first time gun owners and other then their work to keep the right to do so intact, the NRA had nothing to do with it.

 

[xBiffx]

Oh fuck me.

1) There is no god to give you rights.
2) Being aggressive isn't "violating my property or life"
3) Executing someone pre-emptively is never a moral high road.
4) Actually it doesn't.

No thanks on the first statement.

1) Ignorance is bliss eh?
2) If that aggressiveness includes a direct threat then yeah it does.
3) Pre-emptively? How is self defense ever pre-emptive?
4) Wrong again.

Get a fucking like and pull your head out of the sand. I would love to see what you would do if someone came up to your car and threatened to take it, kill you or both. Oh right, just comply, death is always a better option than life, especially in your case.

 

[Texashiker]

I would love to see what you would do if someone came up to your car and threatened to take it, kill you or both. Oh right, just comply, death is always a better option than life, especially in your case.

After a hurricane passes through, the roads are blocked with fallen trees, police ems nor ambulance can respond to calls for help.

When Hurricane Rita passed through, the county sheriff got on the local radio station. His words were along the lines of "you are on your own".

Its an eerie feeling to be without power, and knowing you and your family were on your own. The only security you have, is the firearm you have close at hand.

But for some reason, people will demonize self-reliance?

 

[HAL9000]

No thanks on the first statement.

1) Ignorance is bliss eh?
2) If that aggressiveness includes a direct threat then yeah it does.
3) Pre-emptively? How is self defense ever pre-emptive?
4) Wrong again.

Get a fucking like and pull your head out of the sand. I would love to see what you would do if someone came up to your car and threatened to take it, kill you or both. Oh right, just comply, death is always a better option than life, especially in your case.

Believe it or not someone who is being aggressive isn't about to kill you. I've had hundreds of people be aggressive me in my life, if I thought like you id be a mass murdered

 

[Paul98]

Believe it or not someone who is being aggressive isn't about to kill you. I've had hundreds of people be aggressive me in my life, if I thought like you id be a mass murdered

Yeah Spidey is one of those people you hear on the news killing someone for no reason. Then gets thrown in prison for the rest of their life.

 

[spidey07]

Yeah Spidey is one of those people you hear on the news killing someone for no reason. Then gets thrown in prison for the rest of their life.

I know my state's laws along with associated castle doctrine. If I ever have to pull the trigger, it will be fully lawfully.

"I feared for my life, I feared for my life, I feared for my life"
officer - "come on, tell us what really happened"
"I feared for my life, I feared for my life, I feared for my life"

 

[umbrella39]

One can only hope...

 

[monovillage]

Don't ever forget the other part of that. "I want to talk to my lawyer". The police are NOT your "friends".

 

[woolfe9999]

Believe it or not someone who is being aggressive isn't about to kill you. I've had hundreds of people be aggressive me in my life, if I thought like you id be a mass murdered

If we're talking about legality, you can use deadly force to counter what you perceive to be a threat of deadly force against you, provided your perception is a reasonable one. So it really depends on what he means by "agressive." As for morality, that gets highly subjective. Who knows where he gets his sense of morality. Nothing in the bible says you can kill if someone threatens your property, at least not that I'm aware of. More than likely his morality is window dressing to justify his sociopathy.

- wolf

 

[Macamus Prime]

"I feared for my life, I feared for my life, I feared for my life"
officer - "come on, tell us what really happened"
"I feared for my life, I feared for my life, I feared for my life"

officer - "well,.. what did the delivery boy do exactly?"

Be sure that when you place a food order, you use another name - like Spidey06. That will ensure it isn't discovered that you lure your victims,.. eh, I mean,... home invaders.

 

[spidey07]

officer - "well,.. what did the delivery boy do exactly?"

Be sure that when you place a food order, you use another name - like Spidey06. That will ensure it isn't discovered that you lure your victims,.. eh, I mean,... home invaders.

A delivery boy isn't going to forcefully/illegally try to enter or cross the threshold.

 

[monovillage]

Is this another crazy American or just someone with the fortitude to do what's necessary?
http://gma.yahoo.com/okla-woman-shoots-kills-intruder-911-operators-okay-091106413.html

"McKinley told ABC News Oklahoma City affiliate KOCO that she quickly got her 12 gauge, went into her bedroom and got a pistol, put the bottle in the baby's mouth and called 911.

"I've got two guns in my hand -- is it okay to shoot him if he comes in this door?" the young mother asked the 911 dispatcher. "I'm here by myself with my infant baby, can I please get a dispatcher out here immediately?"

The 911 dispatcher confirmed with McKinley that the doors to her home were locked as she asked again if it was okay to shoot the intruder if he were to come through her door.

"I can't tell you that you can do that but you do what you have to do to protect your baby," the dispatcher told her. McKinley was on the phone with 911 for a total of 21 minutes.

When Martin kicked in the door and came after her with the knife, the teen mom shot and killed the 24-year-old. Police are calling the shooting justified. "

When seconds count the police are only minutes...lots of minutes away

 

[Juddog]

I've literally heard people I work with state that "Obama is going to take our guns away, you better hurry up and buy one now before you can't get them anymore!"

 

[spidey07]

I've literally heard people I work with state that "Obama is going to take our guns away, you better hurry up and buy one now before you can't get them anymore!"

That was in 2008, November of this year broke that record and december broke that.

 

[spidey07]

Is this another crazy American or just someone with the fortitude to do what's necessary?
http://gma.yahoo.com/okla-woman-shoots-kills-intruder-911-operators-okay-091106413.html

"McKinley told ABC News Oklahoma City affiliate KOCO that she quickly got her 12 gauge, went into her bedroom and got a pistol, put the bottle in the baby's mouth and called 911.

"I've got two guns in my hand -- is it okay to shoot him if he comes in this door?" the young mother asked the 911 dispatcher. "I'm here by myself with my infant baby, can I please get a dispatcher out here immediately?"

The 911 dispatcher confirmed with McKinley that the doors to her home were locked as she asked again if it was okay to shoot the intruder if he were to come through her door.

"I can't tell you that you can do that but you do what you have to do to protect your baby," the dispatcher told her. McKinley was on the phone with 911 for a total of 21 minutes.

When Martin kicked in the door and came after her with the knife, the teen mom shot and killed the 24-year-old. Police are calling the shooting justified. "

When seconds count the police are only minutes...lots of minutes away

Perfect example of a good shoot. Happens all the time.

Guess she was paranoid for having guns, seeing as how she was endangering a child by having guns around!

 

[NeoV]

sad that we feel the need to arm ourselves against other Americans

I'm not anti-gun, I'm anti-violence

"happens all the time" isn't acceptable, is it?

Spidey, btw, is bat-shit crazy - the coming class war?

 

[irishScott]

NRA fear mongering is what's happening. Jesus a few months ago their rhetoric was along the lines of "Obama is doing nothing about gun control so he can take your guns".

It's actually getting pretty sad even for the NRA.

Being an NRA member, I received a piece of mail about a year ago that was a member poll. It asked what the NRA should do during the election year. Two options: "conserve resources and work to continue gains in the house and senate" or "put everything into defeating Obama". I voted for option 1, I'm guessing most of the rest voted for option 2.

 

[irishScott]

Believe it or not someone who is being aggressive isn't about to kill you. I've had hundreds of people be aggressive me in my life, if I thought like you id be a mass murdered

I'm under no obligation to assume he isn't. And even if he doesn't intend to kill me, say we get into a bar brawl and in the heat of the moment the back of my head is slammed into the corner of a table, accidentally. That could kill me. That's why most self defense laws also explicitly include a "fear of serious bodily injury" clause that permits lethal self defense. If some guy intends to break my arm, I can kill him, because I have no idea what his intention is other than it's making me legitimately fear for my life.

But I guess things are just so rosy over there in the UK that people get into fights with complete strangers and come out with little more than bruised ego. Sometimes that happens over here, but plenty of times at least one person heads to the hospital in an ambulance. This is why bars are cleared by the police when fights break out.

 

[monovillage]

sad that we feel the need to arm ourselves against other Americans

I'm not anti-gun, I'm anti-violence

"happens all the time" isn't acceptable, is it?

Spidey, btw, is bat-shit crazy - the coming class war?

You talk about being anti-violence, then blatantly attack a poster by calling them bat-shit crazy. If you want to claim you're anti-violence then stop with the fighting words and the hypocrisy.