Another reason why we need to stop outsourcing

[n yusef]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: brandonbull
No slurpy for you.

This is unreal. America has practically sold it's IT soul to India and this is what we get. Makes me want to punch Bill Gates in the mouth because he can't send jobs over to India fast enough.

Well at least you can see how offencive racial profiling is when it is applied towards those you consider your own. Now If only you could bring yourself to apply that lesson towards respecting everyone else.

brandonbull and those who share his sentiment are the same people who support profiling people of color. I think there's a word for that type of racial double standard. . . .

 

[Firebot]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: Perknose
That's one of the dumbest, most ridiculously wrong statements I've ever seen in print here.

Really?

So when a job only provides a $4 return on the work are you going to

A) hire an American at $10 an hour because of minimum wage laws and lose money
B) outsource the job to another country
C) automate the job with machinery

Not to mention the fact that there might be Americans who are willing to do the job for $4 an hour.

Before the great depression they use to have people who operated elevators. These people were paid small wages but were also unskilled labor. Once minimum wages laws were passed, it was cheaper for building owners to upgrade to automated elevators. Now, the people who operated the elevators like their job and were willing to work for their low wages but the building owners could not legally pay them. Many many jobs were NEEDLESSLY eliminated.

You must have hit your head as a baby a few times. People are talking about outsourced IT jobs to India, which are 99% of the time non-unionized in the US, and here you are talking about minimum wage laws. Since when has IT ever been minimum wage work?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Wages in India for IT are pretty good (18,000-50,000 USD)...

How did you come up with those figures?

My company has an office in India, I have friends who have worked in India, but theres also info via Google http://www.payscale.com/resear...N/Country=India/Salary

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Wages in India for IT are pretty good (18,000-50,000 USD)...

How did you come up with those figures?

Umm.....we pay people with a masters degree or a PhD in computer science roughly $500 to $1,500...$2000 MAX

Not only that, but they work +10 hour days AND work 6 days a week.

I dont know who "we" is, but that differs from my personal experience.

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Wages in India for IT are pretty good (18,000-50,000 USD)...

How did you come up with those figures?

Umm.....we pay people with a masters degree or a PhD in computer science roughly $500 to $1,500...$2000 MAX

Not only that, but they work +10 hour days AND work 6 days a week.

I dont know who "we" is, but that differs from my personal experience.

I guess I should have written "my company"...

In any event, that is what we pay and have our own office of about 300+ people and do not contracting though any 3rd party "out sourcing" company.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Wages in India for IT are pretty good (18,000-50,000 USD)...

How did you come up with those figures?

Umm.....we pay people with a masters degree or a PhD in computer science roughly $500 to $1,500...$2000 MAX

Not only that, but they work +10 hour days AND work 6 days a week.

I dont know who "we" is, but that differs from my personal experience.

I guess I should have written "my company"...

In any event, that is what we pay and have our own office of about 300+ people and do not contracting though any 3rd party "out sourcing" company.

Ah OK. Same with the company I work for. We have about 200 employees, not contracted, working 1st and 2nd level programming and database admin. They range from 18k-50k.

 

[ericlp]

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[Slew Foot]

The actor is in the U.S. to promote a new film, "My Name is Khan," which is about racial profiling of Muslims after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.


Haha, the irony.

And I heard IT workers in India make around 30-40K based upon what some family tells me.
You want to see deflation? Make wages across the world competetive.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Wages in India for IT are pretty good (18,000-50,000 USD)...

How did you come up with those figures?

My company has an office in India, I have friends who have worked in India, but theres also info via Google http://www.payscale.com/resear...N/Country=India/Salary

Your claims stand in stark contradiction to the figures on the web page you linked, the latter showing median salaries equivalent to around 6,000-21,000 USD depending on the job.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Ok, lets pull our jobs from there and see how much "outrage" there is over there. It's the same thing over and over - other countries love to hate us while we pour dollar after dollar into their hell hole. Or never want to like us - until they need business or military.

For a change, you & I are on the same side of the argument...

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: brandonbull
No slurpy for you.

This is unreal. America has practically sold it's IT soul to India and this is what we get. Makes me want to punch Bill Gates in the mouth because he can't send jobs over to India fast enough.

Though it's clear you are living in some kind of la-la-land, let's not pretend the US has outsourced out of some sense of magnanimity. We've outsourced because it means lower operating expenses for the companies doing it. Maybe we should be kissing the asses of the Japanese since Toyota and Honda have plants here. :roll:

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: Slew Foot

And I heard IT workers in India make around 30-40K based upon what some family tells me.

Not even close.

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Patranus
If the GOVERNMENT would get out of the way and let free markets dictate wages, companies wouldn't need to out source to stay competitive in the first place.

That's one of the dumbest, most ridiculously wrong statements I've ever seen in print here.

It's exactly the big corporate players in your so-called "free market" that are dictating rampant out-sourcing!

DAMN, yer dumb! :roll:

+1

 

[Chunkee]

you get what you pay for.

 

[StageLeft]

Without looking at numbers I bet more people are working in IT in the US than there were five years ago.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: WHAMPOM

Originally posted by: Patranus
If the GOVERNMENT would get out of the way and let free markets dictate wages, companies wouldn't need to out source to stay competitive in the first place.

"spit take!" LOL! Way to pwn yourself with the Lamest Post on anandtech yet! US workers compete with $1.00 a day workers! That would work.:laugh:

edit; and off topic too.:roll:

Whampom, you must not have been around much lately... While I totally agree that Patranus owned himself again, and this was a lame post.... This is far from his lamest. He post lamer stuff than that all the time - pretty much daily. On a scale of 1 to 10, 1 being lame and 10 being inteligent, Patranus's average post is a 3, as is this one. But he often posts 1's and 2's so this isnt really on the top of the lame list.

The day is young though - I am sure if you keep watching you will see lamer from this numbnuts.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Slew Foot
The actor is in the U.S. to promote a new film, "My Name is Khan," which is about racial profiling of Muslims after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.


Haha, the irony.

And I heard IT workers in India make around 30-40K based upon what some family tells me.
You want to see deflation? Make wages across the world competetive.

Competitive based on what? The problem is economies arent the same. For example, a decent salary for a CCNA level 2 tech/engineer in the US is about $70-90k/yr; however, in SE Asia, that same position will pay about $24k/yr. The difference? It takes far less money to love comfortably in other parts of the world. If you made $70-90k/yr in SE Asia (for example) you would be in the top 1% of income earners.

Tokyo for example...will pay about 20% more. So there will never be a "standard" across the globe, due to cost of living will never be the same.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: blackangst1
Wages in India for IT are pretty good (18,000-50,000 USD)...

How did you come up with those figures?

My company has an office in India, I have friends who have worked in India, but theres also info via Google http://www.payscale.com/resear...N/Country=India/Salary

Your claims stand in stark contradiction to the figures on the web page you linked, the latter showing median salaries equivalent to around 6,000-21,000 USD depending on the job.

Those maybe local salaries also. Our people make far more than that. *shrug*

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: Patranus
If the GOVERNMENT would get out of the way and let free markets dictate wages, companies wouldn't need to out source to stay competitive in the first place.

The cup of coffee I buy at the gas station on the way to work costs more than some of those outsourced workers make for an entire days work. American workers simply can not compete with someone who can live off of $5 a week.

Wages in India for IT are pretty good (18,000-50,000 USD), and standard of living is good also. You cant compare India's IT jobs to a Nike factory in China.

Agreed, it was more of a general statement in response to his comment about free market wage competition being the solution to outsourcing (in general).

I would still wager that companies are paying significantly less using Indian labor for IT than if they where to have those jobs filled in the US. Even with the relative high wages/standard of living that India enjoys I think it would be a horrendous idea to get into some type of wage war with them. I don't see any way we could win in the long term.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Patranus
If the GOVERNMENT would get out of the way and let free markets dictate wages, companies wouldn't need to out source to stay competitive in the first place.

That's one of the dumbest, most ridiculously wrong statements I've ever seen in print here.

It's exactly the big corporate players in your so-called "free market" that are dictating rampant out-sourcing!

DAMN, yer dumb! :roll:

Do you think that the American consumer shares some of that responsibility in any way? How much of a "made in America" surcharge do you think the average consumer is willing to pay IF cheaper non-American made options are available?

 

[Fern]

Jeebus people, you all are over-acting almost as much as the Khan fellow.

No, it's not about out-sourcing.

No, it's not about racial profiling.

From the article:

Khan said he was detained Friday by U.S. immigration officials at Newark Liberty International Airport in New Jersey because his name came up on a computer alert list.

The story was front-page news in India, where the ability to avoid being frisked at airports is seen as a status symbol. Politicians, sports celebrities and film stars often claim VIP status to avoid security checks.

"Shocking, disturbing n downright disgraceful. It's such behavior that fuels hatred and racism. SRK's a world figure for God's sake. Get real!" actress Priyanka Chopra said on her Twitter feed.

His name is on that stupid list, that's why he was stopped (like another billion innocent people have been).

He, and some of his fellow countrymen, thinks he's some world famous hot-sh!t actor, when in fact he's not.

Hot-shots over there get special treatment at airports, but not here.

Real story is an over-blown ego from another culture not familiar with the USA meets US airport security and is 'outraged and humiliated". As a poster above already said "boo f'n hoo".

Fern

 

[JTsyo]

The actor is in the U.S. to promote a new film, "My Name is Khan," which is about racial profiling of Muslims after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

hmm a stir is made about being pulled out for question when he's here for movie about profiling. I'm sure the publicity won't hurt.


Also what does this have to do with outsourcing? Just because the guy is Indian, it becomes an outsourcing issue?

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: n yusef

Originally posted by: kylebisme

Originally posted by: brandonbull
No slurpy for you.

This is unreal. America has practically sold it's IT soul to India and this is what we get. Makes me want to punch Bill Gates in the mouth because he can't send jobs over to India fast enough.

Well at least you can see how offencive racial profiling is when it is applied towards those you consider your own. Now If only you could bring yourself to apply that lesson towards respecting everyone else.

brandonbull and those who share his sentiment are the same people who support profiling people of color. I think there's a word for that type of racial double standard. . . .

What is this word you have sterotyped for me and those who share my sentiment?

I'm most mad about the rich CEOs that have made billions from America and instead of reinvesting some of their wealth back into the people that made them rich, they hire cheaper and inferior labor but do not pass the savings along. American CEOs are enabling this type of attitude from countries that haven't worked as hard to be on our level and yet they to talk to us like little school kids.

I work in the IT industry and know a lot of people that does as well. Very rarely do I hear stories of IT people from certain countries being good IT workers but yet Bill Gates and others cry that we need more to work in the US because Americans don't want to spend 4+ years in college plus tons of spare time learning skills to work for $15/hr.

Another nice one from our Indian friends
Vineet Nayar, the highly respected CEO of HCL Technologies, one of India's hottest IT services vendors ... related a recent experience with an education official in a large U.S. state. The official wanted to know why HCL, a $2.5 billion (revenue) company with more than 3,000 people across 21 offices in 15 states, wasn't hiring more people in his state. Vineet's short answer: because most American college grads are "unemployable."
...
They're far less inclined than students from developing countries like India, China, Brazil, South Africa, and Ireland to spend their time learning the "boring" details of tech process, methodology, and tools--ITIL, Six Sigma, and the like. ... [So] most Americans are just too expensive to train.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: brandonbull
No slurpy for you.

Boo hoo. How many people here have been searched at an airport? I know I have. My wife has been detained in the "little room" as well. It is just about being safe. Just b/c the guy thinks he is a big shot does not mean jack to security at the airport. The best advice for Kahn is: get over yourself.

 

[StageLeft]

IT wages are much lower in India, that is why companies use them despite continuing problems with geography/time zone.

You don't also always get what you pay for. Often you simply paid more.