I wasn't trying to discredit the PCP&C power supply. I used one for a little while and decided it was way too loud (compared to my then passive video card, NB chip and 120mm Late Yoons).
I didn't measure the temps or anything, but I felt the exhaust air - the PCP&P pushed out noticeably more air, at a noticeably higher temperature, where as my S12 pushes less air and it doesn't feel as hot. I'm not saying that the PCP&P runs too hot or will overheat your system, far from the truth. They're very powerful PSUs and won't fail you. I bet if you were to hook up an artificial load to test them, you could probably get more juice from the 510W PCP&P than the S12 - however you wont ever reach the point where your system can strain either the S12 or the PCP&P. For that reason, the silence is a noticeable advantage to me.
Edit: You can't get a better poweresupply (performance/reliablity) than either the S12 or the PCP&P, so in that respect they are the same. The only reason to get the S12 is the silence factor.
No........ I meant if the PCP&C can keep itself just as cool as a Seasonic, then the noise doesnt matter to me
Well i went back to newegg and to my surprise the S12 is actually sleeved (few months ago it wasnt, they used to just twist the wires.......fugly). That was the final decision factor and i decided on the Seasonic, but then i noticed all of the DOA complaints on newegg.
Now, im not one to typically listen to peoples reviews on newegg, but with so many recent DOA's, i dont think its worth getting the Seasonic anymore (doesnt seem as reliable as it used to)
Now, im not one to typically listen to peoples reviews on newegg, but with so many recent DOA's, i dont think its worth getting the Seasonic anymore (doesnt seem as reliable as it used to)
Oh yes it is...Read the first two paragraphs in this link.
http://www.maxim-ic.com/appnotes.cfm/appnote_number/3443 Load transient??
The 510 is last years truck on a twisty road. The S12 is a sports coupe, a M-5 BMW if you wish.
Hands down the better PSU. High frequency operation offers VG load transition as well as
84% efficiency where it will be operating most. Don't let an AGE for pcp&c fool you
...Galvanized
Yea, i know the S12 is a really good one, and some of you have made good points, but as someone told me earlier, peace of mind counts most. So my final decision is the PCP&C 510W
Easily the PC Power & Cooling unit.
Also, yes, you need to consider how much air a power supply moves in balancing the airflow through the case the way you want it. As far as relying on it?... of course I rely on the fans working! More importantly, I rely on my power supply to shut the power supply if the fans fail and NOT wait for it to overheat before shutting it down.
Now, you were as clear as glass about NOT wanting other choices and that we should pick between the three. Not only can you actually trust PC Power & Cooling to deliver the specs THEY provide and DON'T go by the inflated specs www.newegg.com uses. Not only can you trust PC Power & Cooling's specs, but you can also trust their fault detection system. Not just for the fans, but for faults on the board as well. They are also made in the U.S. if that means anything to you.
If you want an option that is only slightly cheaper by about $30.00 and is quieter and has a 5 year warranty and has fault detection and quality to rival the PC Power & Cooling unit, PM me and I'll tell you.
If you're ordering from Newegg, you may be right. I love that place, but I heard (rumors) about them shipping out PSUs that Seasonic recalled a while ago.
Just add a 120mm fan to your case if you want. I love the silence of this PSU, and my case is nice and cool.
And stop putting FSP in the same category. They suck in terms of noise AND voltage regulation.
Newegg provides the specs supplied by manufacturers. Newegg is not responsible for their veracity.
two important questions : what case, and what mobo? I asked myself the same question you're asking about PSU's a month ago. I ended up going with the FSP 600W, because its long cables have no problem with the P180 case, and because it has the fewest issues with a DFI mobo (Seasonic's seem to have some pretty bad problems with DFI mobos).
So far, the FSP has worked like a charm, and it is quiet.
So far, the FSP has worked like a charm, and it is quiet.
Really? There was a time when you could look for the OCZ Powerstream 520 watt model and www.newegg.com showed it at 700 watts, which I guess if you compared it to the overinflated specs many other power supply makers and marketers put out, that would be about right. However, that's NOT the factory spec and was total embellishment on www.newegg.com 's part. OCZ never, and I mean never rated that unit at 700 watts, ever! I just went to check www.newegg.com and as of the time of this reply, it now shows absolutely no output specs at all for that model. Trust me, there are others who visit this forum who've seen that 700 watt nonsense at newegg concerning this product. This was quite a subject around here about a month ago.
I'm NOT trying to beat up on www.newegg.com because I have purchased stuff from them in the past and would easily do so in the future. The point I'm trying to make here is NOT about some percieved mistake by newegg or anybody else. Not just with power supplies, but with everything else you buy, the only source you can even come close to trusting, to the degree they can be trusted is the manufacturer. Try to treat this idea as a rule of thumb and only modify it to the degree that let's say some vendor puts out specs that are LESS flattering than the manufacturer puts out. Well, fair or not, I'd default to the lowest specs you see on a product. Hey, if the product in question does better, then you'll be pleasantly surprised and not rudely and possibly expensively interrupted!
Also, I'm NOT saying the other power supplies the guy listed are not good. It makes my heart sing to see some guy save himself the greif of undiagnosable heating issues and transient and strange problems both hardware and seemingly software. I'm not saying that if you build a little web surfer that you can't get away with like a Modstream OCZ or some other "value"... although that term has to be loosley interpreted here!... power supply. All I know is that for MOST gaming platforms today, if you've not spent $100.00 U.S. or more on a power supply, you just might be whistling in the wind and life is just too short for all that nonsense.
Now, I'm sure you've all seen a guy I respect and admire around here named Galvanized post with reccomendations for power supplies for gaming rigs at $50.00. I suspect Galvanized forgets more about component level stuff in a day than I probably will learn in a lifetime. While I'd never say he was wrong about anything, there's a couple of things he's well... let's just say he's not as right about them as he could be, but hey, who's prefect?!... certainly NOT me!
1) Galvanized at least at one time proposed to me that all caps make noise and that simply isn't the case.
2) He underestimates the additional protection you get in some of the more advanced, complicated and safer fault detection systems you get on SOME of the more expensive power supplies.
Now, in Galvanized defense, he quite often is responding to some poor guy who's floating something at us that should be flushed twice and maybe costs about $40.00. I'll see Galvanized say in response get at least this one... and it will cost about $10.00 (easily be twice as good as the original thought)... and then he quite often goes on to say something like... it would be better if you got this though... and it will cost about $75.00. I guess Galvanized believes in a kinder, gentler world, but I'd rather beat yer @ss now to save you the broken bones so to speak and heartbreak of a power supply that even if it works, it won't hold up at temperatures easily experienced at the top of the case, at least at the specs quoted by the manufacturer. It will make cap noise, fan noise that's not needed or worse yet, run the fans slower or use weaker fans to avoid the noise.
Let's face it, for the most part, you get what you pay for in power supplies. Does this mean you NEED a PC Power & Cooling unit? No! However, they have a reputaion for actually proving by critical stress tests exactly what you can expect from their products, the specs are never overinflated, they are built of the highest quality parts and nothing goes to things like stupid green lights like my OCZ 520 watt Powerstream model seems to have wasted at least a few pennies on. Everything follows function from what I've seen at their site. I'm sure that his stuff costs more because he's assembling it in the States. I understand why he does it this way. The cultures overseas that assemble most things PC are from more of a barter culture. This leads to all sorts of games being played that he can avoid by assembing it himself in the States. Still, although I don't know where he sources the parts that go into his power supplies, I'm sure at least some of it comes from overseas and probably most of it. So the end result is you get a warm fuzzy for all that effort and maybe a bit better quality... man, I don't know. To some this sort of thing is important. To me, it is, but when compared to knowing a certain company has a contractor build them a unit to their specs and NOT the generic specs may be the difference between a good power supply and a great power supply that I can install and forget!
I'm NOT trying to beat up on www.newegg.com because I have purchased stuff from them in the past and would easily do so in the future. The point I'm trying to make here is NOT about some percieved mistake by newegg or anybody else. Not just with power supplies, but with everything else you buy, the only source you can even come close to trusting, to the degree they can be trusted is the manufacturer. Try to treat this idea as a rule of thumb and only modify it to the degree that let's say some vendor puts out specs that are LESS flattering than the manufacturer puts out. Well, fair or not, I'd default to the lowest specs you see on a product. Hey, if the product in question does better, then you'll be pleasantly surprised and not rudely and possibly expensively interrupted!
Also, I'm NOT saying the other power supplies the guy listed are not good. It makes my heart sing to see some guy save himself the greif of undiagnosable heating issues and transient and strange problems both hardware and seemingly software. I'm not saying that if you build a little web surfer that you can't get away with like a Modstream OCZ or some other "value"... although that term has to be loosley interpreted here!... power supply. All I know is that for MOST gaming platforms today, if you've not spent $100.00 U.S. or more on a power supply, you just might be whistling in the wind and life is just too short for all that nonsense.
Now, I'm sure you've all seen a guy I respect and admire around here named Galvanized post with reccomendations for power supplies for gaming rigs at $50.00. I suspect Galvanized forgets more about component level stuff in a day than I probably will learn in a lifetime. While I'd never say he was wrong about anything, there's a couple of things he's well... let's just say he's not as right about them as he could be, but hey, who's prefect?!... certainly NOT me!
1) Galvanized at least at one time proposed to me that all caps make noise and that simply isn't the case.
2) He underestimates the additional protection you get in some of the more advanced, complicated and safer fault detection systems you get on SOME of the more expensive power supplies.
Now, in Galvanized defense, he quite often is responding to some poor guy who's floating something at us that should be flushed twice and maybe costs about $40.00. I'll see Galvanized say in response get at least this one... and it will cost about $10.00 (easily be twice as good as the original thought)... and then he quite often goes on to say something like... it would be better if you got this though... and it will cost about $75.00. I guess Galvanized believes in a kinder, gentler world, but I'd rather beat yer @ss now to save you the broken bones so to speak and heartbreak of a power supply that even if it works, it won't hold up at temperatures easily experienced at the top of the case, at least at the specs quoted by the manufacturer. It will make cap noise, fan noise that's not needed or worse yet, run the fans slower or use weaker fans to avoid the noise.
Let's face it, for the most part, you get what you pay for in power supplies. Does this mean you NEED a PC Power & Cooling unit? No! However, they have a reputaion for actually proving by critical stress tests exactly what you can expect from their products, the specs are never overinflated, they are built of the highest quality parts and nothing goes to things like stupid green lights like my OCZ 520 watt Powerstream model seems to have wasted at least a few pennies on. Everything follows function from what I've seen at their site. I'm sure that his stuff costs more because he's assembling it in the States. I understand why he does it this way. The cultures overseas that assemble most things PC are from more of a barter culture. This leads to all sorts of games being played that he can avoid by assembing it himself in the States. Still, although I don't know where he sources the parts that go into his power supplies, I'm sure at least some of it comes from overseas and probably most of it. So the end result is you get a warm fuzzy for all that effort and maybe a bit better quality... man, I don't know. To some this sort of thing is important. To me, it is, but when compared to knowing a certain company has a contractor build them a unit to their specs and NOT the generic specs may be the difference between a good power supply and a great power supply that I can install and forget!
Plz do not use my nick in any of your posts. You are a deeply troubled human being and I think you are looking for mental health on a harware forum. It won't be had here...Sorry.
For those interested in what I'm refering too, search this man's locked post in P&N. Seek acceptance & help elsewhere.
Hoping you seek recovery,
...Galvanized
Well, i changed my mind on the PCP&C.....mainly due to conservation of money (want to try and go watercooling, so saving $70 bucks is actually worth it now).
And i didnt go with the S12-600W or FSP-600W either.
Instead my final choice is the Seasonic S-12 500W.
I was able to realize that 600W is overkill, and the 500W version only has 3 less amps on the 12v rail, so why not save even more and get it (plus the 500W S12 doesnt have any DOA reviews on newegg, which makes me feel a little better)
Good choice?
And i didnt go with the S12-600W or FSP-600W either.
Instead my final choice is the Seasonic S-12 500W.
I was able to realize that 600W is overkill, and the 500W version only has 3 less amps on the 12v rail, so why not save even more and get it (plus the 500W S12 doesnt have any DOA reviews on newegg, which makes me feel a little better)
Good choice?
I know that the PCP&C is nice, but I just settled on the Seasonsic S-12 600W today. Got a very good deal on one and replacing my Vantec 530W.
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