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Another Matrix thread

This didn't get any notice in another thread, so I'll post it here, with an additional question.


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I don't really feel that the movie could have had an ending that would have made it any better.

Personally, I believe that the movie ended in a way that was totally intended and not what you guys were expecting. What I see is that the whole matrix/zion war is just a cover for a bigger message or idea, and that is that the whole movie focuses on Smith and Neo.

You have Smith a computer program who is learning and gaining power at an incredible speed. He just keeps going. He wants to control everything. When he is about to defeat Neo, is he starts to struggle with something very powerful and he can't understand it.


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Smith: Why, Mr. Anderson, why? Why, why do you do it? Why, why get up? Why keep fighting? Do you believe you're fighting for something, for more than your survival? Can you tell me what it is, do you even know? Is it freedom or truth, perhaps peace - could it be for love? Illusions, Mr. Anderson, vagaries of perception. Temporary constructs of a feeble human intellect trying desperately to justify an existence that is without meaning or purpose. And all of them as artificial as the Matrix itself. Although, only a human mind could invent something as insipid as love. You must be able to see it, Mr. Anderson, you must know it by now! You can't win, it's pointless to keep fighting! Why, Mr. Anderson, why, why do you persist?
Neo: Because I choose to.
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While Smith is telling Neo how pointless his resistance is, he is quite deeply troubled by one of the very things that makes us human. What I think is the point of this movie is that even this program became so powerful and yet he still cannot justify his own existance or purpose.


Now my question:

In the first matrix movie, Smith talks about how he HATES being in the matrix. He hates humans, their sweat, stink, etc... He wants out.

However, without the matrix (whether or not he is connected or an exile), he doesn't exist. He is software. If he puts his software into a physical human body (like in revolutions) he is right back with the humans and their stink. Does he just want to not exist? It seems to tie into why he can't understand why Neo even chooses to keep fighting. Does Smith believe there is some type of existance in "non-existance"?
 
You're seriously reading far too deeply into the films. The ideas presented are resolved and concluded in the final film - it doesn't run any deeper than that.
 
Originally posted by: Stefan
I don't really feel that the movie could have had an ending that would have made it any better.
I know you're out there. I can feel you now. I know that you're afraid... afraid of us. You're afraid of change. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell how it's going to begin. I'm going to hang up this phone, and then show these people what you don't want them to see. I'm going to show them a world without you. A world without rules or controls, borders or boundaries. A world where anything is possible. Where we go from there is a choice I leave to you.
[neo hangs up the phone, steps out of the booth, looks up at the sky, and flys towards it, cue rage against the machine - wake up and roll credits]

that was a good ending for me. and thats where they should've left it also. 😀
 
I'm going to hang up this phone, and then show these people what you don't want them to see. I'm going to show them a world without you.
Yeah, what happened to this concept in Reloaded and Revolutions? Apparently, they forgot about it? Matrix 2 & 3 just got way off track for me with all the added nonsense.
 
Originally posted by: brigden
You're seriously reading far too deeply into the films. The ideas presented are resolved and concluded in the final film - it doesn't run any deeper than that.

nope, the movie has so many levels.

i personally think that Smith just wanted to destroy everyone and everything, and in essense to not exist anymore. that is a good question though.
 
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