Another man's semen reportedly found on Bryant's accuser

[shimsham]

Originally posted by: digitalsm
Anyone saying anything about micro tears is wrong.

This IS NOT a case of micro tears. There was MAJOR vaginal trauma, it was NOT micro tears.

i thought it was anal?

 

[tcsenter]

Doesn't matter.

If she said no....then it's rape/sexual assault

Of course it doesn't matter, if and only if the presumption is that she was in fact raped. Neither you, nor I, nor anyone else, except for two people on the entire face of the planet, know what happened.

The rest of us, namely the jury, has to determine what happened. In many rape cases, the physical evidence is perfectly ambiguous, supporting consentual sex equally as well as unconsentual sex, suggestive of neither one over the other. In those cases, the jury has nothing else to base their decision upon except whom they find more believable; i.e. who is telling the truth and who isn't telling the truth.

Faced with such a decision, character is everything and anything which might speak to character should be admissable.

Personally, I believe NO PERSON should be put on trial when the physical evidence is perfectly ambiguous and the jury is left with no other choice but to base their decision on something as purely subjective, open to interpretation, and disposed to error as 'which person I feel is telling the truth'.

Tossing a coin is probably more reliable. HEADS! Oops - tails. Go to prison for 20 years. Sorry, chum. Better luck next time!

 

[PatboyX]

this is messed up. i think everything should be locked down until the trial occurs.

 

[Renob]

If he did it I hope he does some hard time.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
I find it very telling of the desperation of Kobe's defense lawyers that they make up stuff like "wouldn't injuries like this be consistent with a woman having sex with 3 different men in 3 days?" Not even havin sex 3 times in 3 days.... but with 3 different guys. Class move, call the victim a whore.

And the female defense attorney working for Kobe who mentioned the vicitms name 4 times despite not being allowed to mention it once in open court. No wonder the judge was livid. Class move, terrorize the victim.

My early prediction of the final results... Kobe gets to make license plates for at least 20 years. It's pretty damn obvious he did it with this ugly defense he is putting up. Very disgusting.

If he doesn't end up in the can he sure deserves to for being a scumbag. But OJ was a guilty scumbag too and people seemed to think his athletic accomplishments made it OK that he killed a couple people.

Justice is a concept.

At least your online name is right
:disgust:

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Doesn't matter.

If she said no....then it's rape/sexual assault

Of course it doesn't matter, if and only if the presumption is that she was in fact raped. Neither you, nor I, nor anyone else, except for two people on the entire face of the planet, know what happened.

The rest of us, namely the jury, has to determine what happened. In many rape cases, the physical evidence is perfectly ambiguous, supporting consentual sex equally as well as unconsentual sex, suggestive of neither one over the other. In those cases, the jury has nothing else to base their decision upon except whom they find more believable; i.e. who is telling the truth and who isn't telling the truth.

Faced with such a decision, character is everything and anything which might speak to character should be admissable.

Personally, I believe NO PERSON should be put on trial when the physical evidence is perfectly ambiguous and the jury is left with no other choice but to base their decision on something as purely subjective, open to interpretation, and disposed to error as 'which person I feel is telling the truth'.

Tossing a coin is probably more reliable. HEADS! Oops - tails. Go to prison for 20 years. Sorry, chum. Better luck next time!

Couldn't have said it better. Its amazing that people just wanna convict the guy because they are jealous of his fame, athletic ability, and MONEY. So its ok to take a woman's word who clearly is as stable as a tossed salad. I am not a Kobe fan or Lakers fan, but clearly this woman's character is very very questionable.

 

[tcsenter]

I find it very telling of the desperation of Kobe's defense lawyers that they make up stuff like "wouldn't injuries like this be consistent with a woman having sex with 3 different men in 3 days?" Not even havin sex 3 times in 3 days.... but with 3 different guys. Class move, call the victim a whore.

And the female defense attorney working for Kobe who mentioned the vicitms name 4 times despite not being allowed to mention it once in open court. No wonder the judge was livid. Class move, terrorize the victim.

Unfortunately, these are valid issues the defense has a right to raise provided there is any possible merit to them.

The notion that a woman is always telling the truth about rape is no less perverse and provably false as the notion that a woman must have been 'asking for it'.

Conservative estimates of false or unsubstantiated accusations of rape run around 30%. A 'middle of the road' estimate is 40%. There are a number of documented motives; from willful malice to mental disturbances that result in erroneous interpretations of reality.

Prostitutes have been known to accuse Johns of rape when the prostitute was stiffed, pun intended. IOW, the customer received the 'services' but took-off without paying.

Other documented motives include fear of parents finding-out their daughter is sexually active; fear of spouse/boyfriend finding out about an affair, fear of parents finding-out their daughter is dating someone their parents disapprove of (e.g. a member of another race/ethnicity); fear of parents finding-out their daughter has been engaging in any number of other things the daughter has denied engaging in.

In one episode of Judge Judy no less, a woman sued a man for sexual assault and harassment. She was a diagnosed paranoid schizophrenic, who had a history of accusing men of sexual assault and harassment because her disorder caused her to misinterpret reality.

Fortunately, the manager of her apartment building was aware of the plaintiff's mental health problems and appeared on behalf of the defendent, who worked for him as a maintenance person. Had someone not been present to disclose the woman's mental disorder and history of misinterpreting reality, she likely would have won because she was highly functional and gave no appearance of mental problems. And she certainly would not have volunteered this information on her own.

These cases are actually tragic for the 'victim', because her mental disorder causes her to truly believe she was raped. And so even though the woman was not raped, she no less suffers all of the trauma as though she were because in her mind she was. Very sad.

Not so sad are motives of malice: retribution for infidelity, retribution for being dumped, etc.

Whomever coined the phrase 'Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned' wasn't whistling Dixie.

 

[blurredvision]

You know the main thing I hate about threads like these? Everyone thinks that what they've heard is right, and will stop at nothing to let the other guy know that what they know is right. Even though they will point out the fact that the other person is just talking about rumors, yet what they think is right is mostly based on rumors as well.

None of you know nothing about this case, so just drop it.

 

[gwlam12]

Originally posted by: Crazyfool
I find it very telling of the desperation of Kobe's defense lawyers that they make up stuff like "wouldn't injuries like this be consistent with a woman having sex with 3 different men in 3 days?" Not even havin sex 3 times in 3 days.... but with 3 different guys. Class move, call the victim a whore.

And the female defense attorney working for Kobe who mentioned the vicitms name 4 times despite not being allowed to mention it once in open court. No wonder the judge was livid. Class move, terrorize the victim.

My early prediction of the final results... Kobe gets to make license plates for at least 20 years. It's pretty damn obvious he did it with this ugly defense he is putting up. Very disgusting.

If he doesn't end up in the can he sure deserves to for being a scumbag. But OJ was a guilty scumbag too and people seemed to think his athletic accomplishments made it OK that he killed a couple people.

Justice is a concept.

I'm sorry, but you are calling the accuser the victim. How do you know it's not the other way around?

And also, the fact that they found someone else's semen probably led them to say 3 different guys instead of 3 times a day.