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bjc112

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Originally posted by: squidman
Under windows, the dma is controlled by BIOS. Sides, what does south bridge have to do with north bridge. and what does the hdd have to do with the performance of the agp? Before each test begins, the data is mapped in the ram, not the hdd? THe best solution for shady would be to format the drive, do the clean install of windows, and try again. Enbling the DMA would actually slow down his drive (in win xp). If he wants to optimize his drive, he needs to disable system restore. Shady, also make sure that the DXDIAG dont display no errors.

Harddrive loading times can affect your 3dmark score. I went from a 40gig 5400 drive to a WD 80 gig 8 meg cache and saw a performance increase of about 500-1000 points, if DMA is not enabled it will def. crimp performace.



 

squidman

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May 2, 2003
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Originally posted by: bjc112
Originally posted by: squidman
Under windows, the dma is controlled by BIOS. Sides, what does south bridge have to do with north bridge. and what does the hdd have to do with the performance of the agp? Before each test begins, the data is mapped in the ram, not the hdd? THe best solution for shady would be to format the drive, do the clean install of windows, and try again. Enbling the DMA would actually slow down his drive (in win xp). If he wants to optimize his drive, he needs to disable system restore. Shady, also make sure that the DXDIAG dont display no errors.

Harddrive loading times can affect your 3dmark score. I went from a 40gig 5400 drive to a WD 80 gig 8 meg cache and saw a performance increase of about 500-1000 points, if DMA is not enabled it will def. crimp performace.

Did you do a clean install of the windows on your new drive? If so - then this is the answer. If not, then its really weird. By doing a clean install, i was able to score extra 300 points (which is a LOT for my og GTS card).

Also: i gave this much thought. In the 3dmarkSE, under the default settings, mostly the GPU and system memory are at work. Memory is mapping and serving the data, GPU eats it up. If memory is filled with other unnecessary background crap (which since the availability of the interent became abundant) - then the GPU doesnt get as much food as it needs. My first, and upmost recommendation is still to conclude a clean install, and then run the test. As for me, id be happy to score 8thou, yet alone 13 or 15!!! But soon, i hope, i will ;-)

Yes, 3dmark2001SE, is indeed, quite synthetic. Yet, it gives a user a preview of his graphic subsystem performance. For instance, when you look in the 3dmarks "detail results" you find out that the GPU only pushed, say 1giga texel per cycle. But the GPU is capable of pushing, say, 5. Hence the test is incorrect, and yet, it means that something in your system is preventing the gpu from pushing these 5 texels. I use 3dmark2001SE to simply just give me an insight. I dont friggin gonna shoot myself if i get 500 points less. Internet is a blessing, and a curse.

 

CraigRT

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Jun 16, 2000
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I hit 15,500 with my 9700 Pro NOT overclocked on my P4 3.0

on my XP2500+ Barton and the same video card.. = 12,500 NOTHING overclocked. catalyst 3.4.
 

Jeff7181

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Aug 21, 2002
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Originally posted by: CraigRT
I hit 15,500 with my 9700 Pro NOT overclocked on my P4 3.0

on my XP2500+ Barton and the same video card.. = 12,500 NOTHING overclocked. catalyst 3.4.

So you're conducting an experiment with 3 variables... the CPU, the motherboard, and the drivers... you failed 5th grade science class didn't you?
 

gf4200isdabest

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1. Jeff7181; Learn multi variable calculus (or abstract thinking)

2. You don't have a problem. Your system runs every game fine and that 3dmark difference will not necessarily lead to better FPS in games. You can look through a plethora of reviews where the system with a higher 3dmark score has a lower score in modern games. I might understand if you told me that you got a score of like 5000 on 3dmark but even then i'd ask "do games play slowly?" I have no patience for anyone who bitches about 3dmark scores over 10K...
 
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Originally posted by: gf4200isdabest
1. Jeff7181; Learn multi variable calculus (or abstract thinking)

2. You don't have a problem. Your system runs every game fine and that 3dmark difference will not necessarily lead to better FPS in games. You can look through a plethora of reviews where the system with a higher 3dmark score has a lower score in modern games. I might understand if you told me that you got a score of like 5000 on 3dmark but even then i'd ask "do games play slowly?" I have no patience for anyone who bitches about 3dmark scores over 10K...

LOL, if you have no patience, why waster your time posting???
 

squidman

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Originally posted by: gf4200isdabest
1. Jeff7181; Learn multi variable calculus (or abstract thinking)

2. You don't have a problem. Your system runs every game fine and that 3dmark difference will not necessarily lead to better FPS in games. You can look through a plethora of reviews where the system with a higher 3dmark score has a lower score in modern games. I might understand if you told me that you got a score of like 5000 on 3dmark but even then i'd ask "do games play slowly?" I have no patience for anyone who bitches about 3dmark scores over 10K...


Hey bro, its ok. Its a psychological thing - like when i bought this sytem 2 months ago, i was REALLY nervous: why did i get 4600 memory marks, and extreme tech benchmarks got 4900? Duh! CL2. But i was pretty upset for a while. THen i realised - wtf? It runs fine! Sure, i score 4500 3dmarksSE, but hey - i got some serious steam-power under my case
;) Why i say that internet is a blessing and a curse? Cuz its got a power to depress some of us, when we realise that the marks arent as high as others, or cheer us up, when some of us realise that their benchmarks are higher than others.
F*** the benchmarks!
:beer: :beer: :beer:
 

gf4200isdabest

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You're exactly right. It is a psychological thing and the only way to cure people is to yell at them until they snap out of it. If everyone on these forums convinced one other person that benchmarks don't matter, then we'd do a lot of good for the tech world...
 

bjc112

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Dec 23, 2000
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Originally posted by: gf4200isdabest
You're exactly right. It is a psychological thing and the only way to cure people is to yell at them until they snap out of it. If everyone on these forums convinced one other person that benchmarks don't matter, then we'd do a lot of good for the tech world...

But benchmarks MEASURE performance to point. They do matter some what.



 

squidman

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May 2, 2003
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Originally posted by: gf4200isdabest
You're exactly right. It is a psychological thing and the only way to cure people is to yell at them until they snap out of it. If everyone on these forums convinced one other person that benchmarks don't matter, then we'd do a lot of good for the tech world...

I dont think that yelling would help a lot. Its more like self-exploration thing. A perdon would realize it eventually. Besides, 13000 is still a pretty good darn score. And Shady, did you say you OC'd your PC? Well, when you OC your computer the AGP bus bandwith usually drops with it (becomes 4x, then 2x etc). When running the 3dmark2000 the scores would actually be higher, especially at 1024x768x16, when CPU is mainly at work. But i dunno. Usuall this is not a reason, but it could be.
Cheers!
:wine: :beer:

 

claytoma

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May 2, 2003
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I reach 18400 on 3dmark2001se with my P4 2.6c @3.25 (1000mhz FSB) and 9700pro @360/670 all teathered to the Abit IC7.
 

squidman

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Originally posted by: claytoma
I reach 18400 on 3dmark2001se with my P4 2.6c @3.25 (1000mhz FSB) and 9700pro @360/670 all teathered to the Abit IC7.

Good for you! And i had a first threesome yesterday!!!
 

claytoma

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May 2, 2003
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Originally posted by: squidman
Originally posted by: claytoma
I reach 18400 on 3dmark2001se with my P4 2.6c @3.25 (1000mhz FSB) and 9700pro @360/670 all teathered to the Abit IC7.

Good for you! And i had a first threesome yesterday!!!


Congratulations Squidbate
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claytoma

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May 2, 2003
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Originally posted by: squidman
Originally posted by: claytoma
I reach 18400 on 3dmark2001se with my P4 2.6c @3.25 (1000mhz FSB) and 9700pro @360/670 all teathered to the Abit IC7.

Good for you! And i had a first threesome yesterday!!!


Congratulations Squidbait
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Jeff7181

Lifer
Aug 21, 2002
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Originally posted by: gf4200isdabest
1. Jeff7181; Learn multi variable calculus (or abstract thinking)

2. You don't have a problem. Your system runs every game fine and that 3dmark difference will not necessarily lead to better FPS in games. You can look through a plethora of reviews where the system with a higher 3dmark score has a lower score in modern games. I might understand if you told me that you got a score of like 5000 on 3dmark but even then i'd ask "do games play slowly?" I have no patience for anyone who bitches about 3dmark scores over 10K...

This isn't math... for all intensive purposes, it's a scientific experiment. And if you have half a brain, the only way you'd test a single componant is to keep that one componant as the only variable.

Think about it... if an automotive manufacturer wanted to test brake pads from 2 different companies, do you think they'd put one set on a compact car, and the other set on a full size truck? Of course not, that would be idiotic... you'd put each set of pads on the same type of car to see which performs better.
 

Jeff7181

Lifer
Aug 21, 2002
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Originally posted by: squidman
Originally posted by: gf4200isdabest
You're exactly right. It is a psychological thing and the only way to cure people is to yell at them until they snap out of it. If everyone on these forums convinced one other person that benchmarks don't matter, then we'd do a lot of good for the tech world...

I dont think that yelling would help a lot. Its more like self-exploration thing. A perdon would realize it eventually. Besides, 13000 is still a pretty good darn score. And Shady, did you say you OC'd your PC? Well, when you OC your computer the AGP bus bandwith usually drops with it (becomes 4x, then 2x etc). When running the 3dmark2000 the scores would actually be higher, especially at 1024x768x16, when CPU is mainly at work. But i dunno. Usuall this is not a reason, but it could be.
Cheers!
:wine: :beer:

Actually 13,000 is a terrible score for a 9700 Pro. If you'd be satisfied with it, congratulations, go have fun with it. But he's obviously having a problem, so lets try to help him figure out why his rig is 15% slower than it should/could be.
 
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Originally posted by: Jeff7181
Originally posted by: squidman
Originally posted by: gf4200isdabest
You're exactly right. It is a psychological thing and the only way to cure people is to yell at them until they snap out of it. If everyone on these forums convinced one other person that benchmarks don't matter, then we'd do a lot of good for the tech world...

I dont think that yelling would help a lot. Its more like self-exploration thing. A perdon would realize it eventually. Besides, 13000 is still a pretty good darn score. And Shady, did you say you OC'd your PC? Well, when you OC your computer the AGP bus bandwith usually drops with it (becomes 4x, then 2x etc). When running the 3dmark2000 the scores would actually be higher, especially at 1024x768x16, when CPU is mainly at work. But i dunno. Usuall this is not a reason, but it could be.
Cheers!
:wine: :beer:

Actually 13,000 is a terrible score for a 9700 Pro. If you'd be satisfied with it, congratulations, go have fun with it. But he's obviously having a problem, so lets try to help him figure out why his rig is 15% slower than it should/could be.

finally the voice of reason! thanx