another low 3dmark2001 SE question

[Corporate Thug]

when i was ocing my 1700+, i decided to run 3dmark2001 SE just for the hell of it.

i couldn't break 13000, anyone wanna take a shot why?

specs:
Abit NF7-s
1700+ @ 2210 Mhz
9700 pro (built by ATi with latest drivers)
512 pc3200 XMS
100 GB western digital SE

 

[txxxx]

Maybe because the drivers are in total quality mode? A friend of mine had the same issue.

 

[Corporate Thug]

all the settings are toned down, no AA no FSAA, etc...

 

[squidman]

Thats normal. Its not your CPU. 3Dmark2001 scores would be (about) the same igf you had the Athlon 1ghz. Its the radeon - for as the 3dmark 2001 is primarily the test of the VGA. I got ox-driven GTS (look specs below) and get only 4500 in 3dmarkse.

 

[Boogak]

Originally posted by: squidman
Thats normal. Its not your CPU. 3Dmark2001 scores would be (about) the same igf you had the Athlon 1ghz. Its the radeon - for as the 3dmark 2001 is primarily the test of the VGA. I got ox-driven GTS (look specs below) and get only 4500 in 3dmarkse.

Uh... he's got a 9700 Pro, 13000 shouldn't be normal. I crack 13500 w/ same CPU and a GF4 Ti 4400, w/ a 9700 Pro he should be beating my score. Run DXDIAG.EXE and check that the 3 DirectX features are enabled in your Display tab. I had a Radeon 8500 that had AGP Texture Acceleration disabled for some strange reason and my FPS were suffering (both in 3DMark2001 and in real games). Also did you make sure you cleaned out all old previous drivers?

 

[bjc112]

What drivers?

Is V-sync disabled?

 

[m1ke101]

Originally posted by: squidman
Thats normal. Its not your CPU. 3Dmark2001 scores would be (about) the same igf you had the Athlon 1ghz. Its the radeon - for as the 3dmark 2001 is primarily the test of the VGA. I got ox-driven GTS (look specs below) and get only 4500 in 3dmarkse.

what the hell are you talking about? He's got a xp 2.2ghz and a radeon 9700 pro. Definitely check out your drivers, thats most likely the problem.

 

[Corporate Thug]

v-sync is def. disabled, i got the newest cat drives (3.4??) but i'm not sure if i went in and removed the old one, that may be it. i haven't tried DXDIAG.EXE. I have to reformat anyway, so all i'm gonna do is get the new catalyst and DX9 and run it again. thanx for the replies all

 

[bjc112]

DMA enabled on all drives?

 

[OverVolt]

Are you using a 1:1, CPU:Mem ratio? Anything other than that kills your memory bandwidth...

And 3DMark2001SE is a memory hog. Whats your CAS latency?

I hit 15400 something with my setup below, it does sound a little on the low side for that, you should be rocking my benchies !

Good Luck! Hope you get ir figured out

 

[Corporate Thug]

bjc, what is DMA?
overvolt, the mem ratio is 1:1, CAS latency is 2.5, and noway i can even come close to beating your system in benchmarks

 

[bjc112]

Direct Memory Acess...

Right click on My computer and go to disk drives,

Primary and Secondary, - Advanced Settings, DMA if available...

Could have a significant performance hit on loading times and what not which all are accounted for when be scored.

 

[Corporate Thug]

when i right click on my compuetr i get the following options (in exact order)
open
explore
search
manage
map network drive
disconnect network drive
send to
cut
copy
create shortcut
delete
rename
properties

 

[bjc112]

Sorry shady,

Properties-> Device manager..

Was thinking you knew that.

 

[bjc112]

If its not under "disk Drives" its under - IDE ATA adapters... Click the + and you shall see Primary and secondary.

 

[Corporate Thug]

thanx bjc, i'll check as soon as i get back to my dorm!

 

[bjc112]

No prob,

 

[squidman]

Under windows, the dma is controlled by BIOS. Sides, what does south bridge have to do with north bridge. and what does the hdd have to do with the performance of the agp? Before each test begins, the data is mapped in the ram, not the hdd? THe best solution for shady would be to format the drive, do the clean install of windows, and try again. Enbling the DMA would actually slow down his drive (in win xp). If he wants to optimize his drive, he needs to disable system restore. Shady, also make sure that the DXDIAG dont display no errors.

 

[XBoxLPU]

I score 15340 with an ATI 9700 Pro + XP 1700 OCed to 2.23ghz

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: squidman
Under windows, the dma is controlled by BIOS. Sides, what does south bridge have to do with north bridge. and what does the hdd have to do with the performance of the agp? Before each test begins, the data is mapped in the ram, not the hdd? THe best solution for shady would be to format the drive, do the clean install of windows, and try again. Enbling the DMA would actually slow down his drive (in win xp). If he wants to optimize his drive, he needs to disable system restore. Shady, also make sure that the DXDIAG dont display no errors.

thanx! i'll make sure to try the DXDIAG. my goal is 15000

 

[gf4200isdabest]

Why is your goal 15,000? Does someone give you a cookie when you reach 15,000? "another low 3dmark2001 SE question" yields "another stop wasting your damn time with 3dmark because it means nothing and there aren't even any games that stress your setup answer"

Seriously, I'm guessing you've wasted hours trying to figure out the answer to this "problem." That is about the worst possible use of your time ever. I don't know about you but hours of my life aren't worth any increase in 3dmark...

*sigh*....will people ever learn?

 

[XBoxLPU]

Still, his system should be able to hit at least higher 14k, or low 15k

I agree the program sucks

If he could post some game benchmarks, we could compare and see if indeed 3dmark2001SE was showing lower than expected peformance

 

[Jeff7181]

If it wasn't for 3DMark he wouldn't be aware that he has a problem. And if his 9700 Pro is only hitting 13,000 he definately has a problem. So maybe you should think about it a little bit before you throw stones... while using 3DMark for bragging rights may be a little lame, it's an extremely useful tool for diagnosing compatability issues and measuring performance changes made with new upgrades or system changes.

As for the problem... check to see that you have AA and AF turned off... I don't know about ATI cards, but nVidia drivers will override software settings if you set AA and AF in Windows display properties, causing AA and AF to be on even though 3DMark says they're off.
Also check to be sure your card is running in 8X or 4X AGP, whatever your system supports... but definately not 1X or 2X.
*EDIT* ... and of course check to be sure all other options are set to default in 3DMark.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: gf4200isdabest
Why is your goal 15,000? Does someone give you a cookie when you reach 15,000? "another low 3dmark2001 SE question" yields "another stop wasting your damn time with 3dmark because it means nothing and there aren't even any games that stress your setup answer"

Seriously, I'm guessing you've wasted hours trying to figure out the answer to this "problem." That is about the worst possible use of your time ever. I don't know about you but hours of my life aren't worth any increase in 3dmark...

*sigh*....will people ever learn?

Good thing you didnt jump to any conclusions! i ran the benchmark, got the score, spent 10 minutes examinig settings, then made this thread. Actually time spent: about 20 minutes. And like Jeff said, i wouldn't have know about this problem (which i'm begining to think is a driver issue) if i hadn't run the test. Although i don't get a cookie for scoring X amount on any benchmark, i like to use it to diagnose any sort of problem. i paid good money for my hardware and i like it to be optimized

 

[m1ke101]

Originally posted by: gf4200isdabest
Why is your goal 15,000? Does someone give you a cookie when you reach 15,000? "another low 3dmark2001 SE question" yields "another stop wasting your damn time with 3dmark because it means nothing and there aren't even any games that stress your setup answer" Seriously, I'm guessing you've wasted hours trying to figure out the answer to this "problem." That is about the worst possible use of your time ever. I don't know about you but hours of my life aren't worth any increase in 3dmark... *sigh*....will people ever learn?

Did you bother to even read his post? I do agree that although people really shouldn't go by 3dmark for precise gaming performance, it is a good troubleshooting tool. He is getting a rather low score for his setup, and it probably does warrant looking into because it may be a problem. But attacking him because he why he isn't getting the performance he paid for is totall unjustified.