Another look at the character of M.Moore

[Karsten]

Pete Townshends Weblog

Just shows again who MM really is. Can't believe so many people like this guy?!

 

[brunswickite]

I dont like MM, I do like some of the points he makes in his movies.

 

[silverpig]

But it's Pete "doing research for a book" Townshend...

 

[Legendary]

another link
Maybe a repost, I dunno

 

[daveymark]

I was about to say, wasn't he the guy who....?

Originally posted by: silverpig
But it's Pete "doing research for a book" Townshend...

 

[jst0ney]

Hmmmmm who would I rather trust a fat sensationalist who has a chip on his shoulder or someone who likes kiddie porn.

 

[BigJ]

For a second I thought you were talking about Mandy Moore. I really shouldn't have watched "A Walk to Remember."

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: silverpig
But it's Pete "doing research for a book" Townshend...

I bought his autobiography but I couldn't read it- the pages were all stuck together.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: jst0ney
Hmmmmm who would I rather trust a fat sensationalist who has a chip on his shoulder or someone who likes kiddie porn.

now remember he was just doing "research" i guess he was going to try his had at acting. he was going to play a Catholic priest! :beer:

 

[Kipper]

Michael Moore = Bill O'Reilly = Rush Limbaugh = any 'political analyst' who is just an overpaid media darling.

Do you want REAL political commentary? Hit up your local university's government/philosophy department and find a professor specializing in political philosophy or international relations.

 

[Descartes]

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Michael Moore = Bill O'Reilly = Rush Limbaugh = any 'political analyst' who is just an overpaid media darling.

Do you want REAL political commentary? Hit up your local university's government/philosophy department and find a professor specializing in political philosophy or international relations.

I'm thinking you've never heard O'Reilly's show if you're putting him in that same category.

 

[jst0ney]

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Michael Moore = Bill O'Reilly = Rush Limbaugh = any 'political analyst' who is just an overpaid media darling.

Do you want REAL political commentary? Hit up your local university's government/philosophy department and find a professor specializing in political philosophy or international relations.

nod

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Michael Moore = Bill O'Reilly = Rush Limbaugh = any 'political analyst' who is just an overpaid media darling.

Do you want REAL political commentary? Hit up your local university's government/philosophy department and find a professor specializing in political philosophy or international relations.

I'm thinking you've never heard O'Reilly's show if you're putting him in that same category.

sounds to me like he has.

 

[Kipper]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Michael Moore = Bill O'Reilly = Rush Limbaugh = any 'political analyst' who is just an overpaid media darling.

Do you want REAL political commentary? Hit up your local university's government/philosophy department and find a professor specializing in political philosophy or international relations.

I'm thinking you've never heard O'Reilly's show if you're putting him in that same category.

I have watched O'Reilly's show, and the drivel he spouts is about the same as virtually all of the other media darlings. For him, "liberal" is as synonymous with "communist" and "atheist" as much as "conservative" is synonymous with "bigot" or "racist" for someone on the extreme left. It's really getting tiresome, and nothing gets accomplished politically at all. He's simply on screen ranting and raving for an hour.

That's an hour I can use scouring other news on the web (from various sources, mind you). Incidentally, I am fairly confident your average university professor could talk Moore, Limbaugh, or O'Reilly through the floor.

 

[UNCjigga]

You want the truth about F911? The only thing Moore said in the movie which resonated with me at all was that its sad that the ones who are down on their luck with the bleakest economic prospects are the ones on our front lines and the first ones to volunteer for the war effort, whatever their motivations are (college money vs. patriotism.) That was in the last 5 minutes of the movie. Frankly, I think Dennis Miller could've have done a better job of making this point and expounding on what it means in a 30-second rant without charging $7.00 a head to hear it.

 

[T2T III]

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Michael Moore = Bill O'Reilly = Rush Limbaugh = any 'political analyst' who is just an overpaid media darling.

Do you want REAL political commentary? Hit up your local university's government/philosophy department and find a professor specializing in political philosophy or international relations.

I'm thinking you've never heard O'Reilly's show if you're putting him in that same category.

I have watched O'Reilly's show, and the drivel he spouts is about the same as virtually all of the other media darlings. For him, "liberal" is as synonymous with "communist" and "atheist" as much as "conservative" is synonymous with "bigot" or "racist" for someone on the extreme left. It's really getting tiresome, and nothing gets accomplished politically at all. He's simply on screen ranting and raving for an hour.

That's an hour I can use scouring other news on the web (from various sources, mind you). Incidentally, I am fairly confident your average university professor could talk Moore, Limbaugh, or O'Reilly through the floor.

You must have watched Mr. O'Reilly on a bad day. I have the option to hear his radio show quite frequently. If you listen enough, you'll see that he has no more against the Democrats than he does against the Republicans. Also, he's registered as an independent when it comes to voting.

The latest issue regarding gangsta' rap as taken on by Mr. O'Reilly has been quite interesting. I just love listening to the callers calling in to defend the rappers. Kind of shows you the direction our country is heading ... without much positive reinforcement.

 

[Kipper]

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Michael Moore = Bill O'Reilly = Rush Limbaugh = any 'political analyst' who is just an overpaid media darling.

Do you want REAL political commentary? Hit up your local university's government/philosophy department and find a professor specializing in political philosophy or international relations.

I'm thinking you've never heard O'Reilly's show if you're putting him in that same category.

I have watched O'Reilly's show, and the drivel he spouts is about the same as virtually all of the other media darlings. For him, "liberal" is as synonymous with "communist" and "atheist" as much as "conservative" is synonymous with "bigot" or "racist" for someone on the extreme left. It's really getting tiresome, and nothing gets accomplished politically at all. He's simply on screen ranting and raving for an hour.

That's an hour I can use scouring other news on the web (from various sources, mind you). Incidentally, I am fairly confident your average university professor could talk Moore, Limbaugh, or O'Reilly through the floor.

You must have watched Mr. O'Reilly on a bad day. I have the option to hear his radio show quite frequently. If you listen enough, you'll see that he has no more against the Democrats than he does against the Republicans. Also, he's registered as an independent when it comes to voting.

The latest issue regarding gangsta' rap as taken on by Mr. O'Reilly has been quite interesting. I just love listening to the callers calling in to defend the rappers. Kind of shows you the direction our country is heading ... without much positive reinforcement.

It's not a matter of being a Republican or a Democrat. He is still spewing the political nonsense which seems to be in the vogue amongst alleged radio 'political commentators.' I've watched his show several times, and he comes off as no more than a person who simply likes to get up on television and bitch and moan. While it does have entertainment value and I'm not saying it is worthless speech, I do believe he gets more credit than he deserves - he does EXACTLY what Rush Limbaugh and Michael Moore do: they tell people what they want to hear, package it, and present it to the lemming American public who will swallow it and think they're hearing the gospel preached over the air.

The level to which today's politically misinformed public will look at the headlines of their local news paper or watch their 6:00 news (which incidentally, will run the Iraq stories AFTER you hear the depressing story about the local family who died in a fiery blaze or the 12-year old who was killed in gang crossfire) and think they are getting the whole picture is sickening.

Edit: This is not a leftist or rightist or ambidextrousist or whatever-bashing post. I am sick and tired of hearing these insults lobbed back and forth by members of each of the parties while this country's military dies overseas and children in inner cities learn from textbooks which don't even record the falling of the Berlin Wall.

 

[gururu]

More Moore bashing....geez. who else is out there speaking against Bush and the war? Kerry? give me a break.

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: Legendary
another link
Maybe a repost, I dunno

I just love how there's this whole cadre of "political reporters" who are pointing out every single "deceit" in F/911, but they are probably the same who would have defended Bush's infamous "16 words" by saying that he never expressly SAID Saddam tried to buy uranium from Niger, but that INTELLIGENCE said he did so...

And they denigrate Kerry for flip-flopping! :disgust:

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: konichiwa

Originally posted by: Legendary
another link
Maybe a repost, I dunno

I just love how there's this whole cadre of "political reporters" who are pointing out every single "deceit" in F/911, but they are probably the same who would have defended Bush's infamous "16 words" by saying that he never expressly SAID Saddam tried to buy uranium from Niger, but that INTELLIGENCE said he did so...

And they denigrate Kerry for flip-flopping! :disgust:

I guess it all depends on what you meen by is

 

[UpGrD]

The only thing Moore said in the movie which resonated with me at all was that its sad that the ones who are down on their luck with the bleakest economic prospects are the ones on our front lines and the first ones to volunteer for the war effort, whatever their motivations are (college money vs. patriotism.) That was in the last 5 minutes of the movie.

Well he got that one wrong also.

Defense Department Stats :

Average White recrute household income: $33,500
Average Black recrute household income: $32,000
(both middleclass)

Both white and black recrutes have a higher averge level of education than civilians.
Not only do black and white soldiers come from households of about the same income, but their education are virtually identical. In 1994, 99 percent of black and 97 percent of white Army enlisted personnel were high school graduates, higher than the national average.

38 percent of the military is minority compared to 30 percent of the national population.

Defense Department stats. (referenced from a UPI story)

Try again M Moore....................

While there are not a tons of upper income people enlisting, but they are represented (remember that upper income only makes up less than 10% of the population) . I for one served 5 yrs in the Army and a Desert Storm Vet, my family would have been considered upper income. People enlist for different reasons, income is only one.

 

[cucumber]

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Michael Moore = Bill O'Reilly = Rush Limbaugh = any 'political analyst' who is just an overpaid media darling.

Do you want REAL political commentary? Hit up your local university's government/philosophy department and find a professor specializing in political philosophy or international relations.

I'm thinking you've never heard O'Reilly's show if you're putting him in that same category.

I'm thinking the same thing. O'Reilley should not be considered similar to the likes of Limbaugh or Moore.

I do strongly disagree with O'Reilley at times, but he does seem to be authentic and actually give some thought to his opinions rather than just having knee jerk reactions for or against anything just because it's conservative or liberal.

As for university professors being a good source for educated unbiased ideas...... that doesn't seem to be the case. If you've come across this (MadCowDisease) consider yourself very lucky. I've been in several universities (in different states) and I've very rarely seen a professor who was anything short of extremist liberal.

 

[cucumber]

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease

Originally posted by: Descartes

Originally posted by: MadCowDisease
Michael Moore = Bill O'Reilly = Rush Limbaugh = any 'political analyst' who is just an overpaid media darling.

Do you want REAL political commentary? Hit up your local university's government/philosophy department and find a professor specializing in political philosophy or international relations.

I'm thinking you've never heard O'Reilly's show if you're putting him in that same category.

I have watched O'Reilly's show, and the drivel he spouts is about the same as virtually all of the other media darlings. For him, "liberal" is as synonymous with "communist" and "atheist" as much as "conservative" is synonymous with "bigot" or "racist" for someone on the extreme left. It's really getting tiresome, and nothing gets accomplished politically at all. He's simply on screen ranting and raving for an hour.

That's an hour I can use scouring other news on the web (from various sources, mind you). Incidentally, I am fairly confident your average university professor could talk Moore, Limbaugh, or O'Reilly through the floor.

You know, after you mentioned O'reilley's ranting against athiests, (among other things) I may have to retract some of my previous post. After thinking about it some, he does very casually dismiss anything athiest as some kind of evil agenda and a cause for America's downfall. I am an athiest and I think this is a belief that deserves just as much respect as any religion does. He would never bash any religion even if it does go againt his Catholic way of thought, but he dismisses atheism as morally corrupt and horrible.

OK, consider me on the fence about O'Reilley, I stand by my university professor rant though. I'm sure there are plenty of rational independant thinking professors, but I have yet to come across them. Maybe I've just had bad luck.

 

[SuperTool]

Recap: Moores people talked to Townsend's people, now Moore's and Townsend's stories don't match. I am shocked.
Here is what Moore said:

Moore: At the end of the film Bush says "Fool me once,
shame on? me. I won't get fooled again." Clearly that
moment demands that we hear Roger Daltrey scream,
"Won't get fooled again!" That's how I had it cut.
Pete Townsend blocked it, would not allow the song to
be used.

And he didn't (allow it to be used)

Word came to us that he is not a fan of
Michael Moore's and in fact supports the war and
supports Tony Blair and doesn't want the song used in
any way that would make Blair look bad.

Notice he says "word came back to us," not that he knows for sure

Harvey personally made an appeal to him to reconsider. And he
wouldn't.

Which matches what Townsend says.

At that point, we're about a week away from
going to Cannes. So, I remembered while I was driving
in Michigan "Rockin' in the Free World" came on the
radio and I thought this would be a cool song to have
in the movie. So we said, "Let's see how this works,"
and it worked perfectly. Called up Neil Young and he
said, "Whatever you need. Absolutely. It's yours."
Once we started playing it in the movie, we quickly
forgot about The Who. In fact, after Cannes, we got a
call from their manager who said they might be willing
to reconsider.

Townsend claims Moore said he recanted. Moore said he got a call from the manager, not Townsend himself

And I said, "No, uh uh. That's bad
karma. This is Neil Young's moment." People leave the
theaters, that's what I want them hearing. In fact I
don't want them hearing a song that has the line,
"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss." Because the
new boss I sincerely hope won't be the same as the old
boss. I don't want that song. It gave me a chance to
have a line at the end too, cause you can't go right
into "Rockin' in the Free World." So I get to say "For
once I agree with Bush...we won't get fooled again."