Another hero for those who empathize with Roman Polanski

Dari

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There has been a lot of pro-pedophilia expressions lately. First we had pedo-bear now we have people that support Roman Polanski fleeing from justice. G-d willing, these people will be chased by bullets or just tortured to death.

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French minister says he won't resign over sex with 'boys'
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Culture minister condemns sexual tourism, denies he is a pedophile

Frederic Mitterrand, in 2005 book, wrote of paying for sex with "boys" in Thailand

Le Monde on Thursday published steamy excerpts from "The Bad Life"

Mitterand came to the defense of Roman Polanski after the filmmaker's arrest
PARIS, France (CNN) -- French Culture Minister Frederic Mitterrand said Thursday he will not resign over his admission in a book that he paid to have sex with "boys" in Thailand.

In an interview with French television network TF1, Mitterrand said he "absolutely condemn sexual tourism, which is a disgrace, and ... pedophilia," in which he insisted he has never participated.

The minister described his 2005 book, "The Bad Life," as a mix of autobiography and fiction. In one passage, published by the French newspaper Le Monde Thursday, Mitterrand describes in detail a sexual encounter with a "boy" he said was called Bird.

"My boy didn't say a word, he stood before me, immobile, his eyes still straight ahead and a half-smile on his lips. I wanted him so badly I was trembling," he wrote.

Despite the use of the French word "garcon" in his text, Mitterrand has previously said the term did not mean "little boys."

He said the males he paid for sex were his age, or maybe five years younger. It was not immediately clear how old he was at the time of the encounters he describes in his book.

"It was, without a doubt, an error; a crime, no," he told TF1 anchor Laurence Ferrari.

Mitterrand, who is openly gay, said he spoke with French President Nicolas Sarkozy on Thursday morning and said the president supports him.

In a July interview with the weekly French news magazine Le Nouvel Observateur, Sarkozy said he had read Mitterrand's book, and found it "courageous and talented."

Mitterrand's book has sparked fresh controversy in the wake of his recent defense of filmmaker Roman Polanski, who was jailed last month in Switzerland on a 31-year-old arrest warrant. Polanski had fled the United States for his native France in 1977 after pleading guilty to having sex with a 13-year-old girl.

The culture minister told TF1's Ferrari that he was "too emotional" when he denounced the filmmaker's arrest in Switzerland as "horrifying."

"To see him thrown to the lions for an old story that really has no meaning, and to see him alone, imprisoned, when he was going to attend a ceremony where he was to be honored, that is to say, he was trapped, it's absolutely horrifying," he said October 4, according to Agence France Presse.

The far-right National Front organized an anti-Mitterrand demonstration in Paris Thursday evening.

"Send this message on to everyone who will not put up with this indecency!" the party's Web site said.

The party's vice president, Marine Le Pen, has demanded Mitterrand's resignation for what she termed his sexually deviant acts. Mitterrand responded, saying, "It's an honor to be dragged through the mud by the National Front."

Mitterrand's acts of "sexual tourism" have left "a dark smudge" on the government, Le Pen said.

The group is also gathering signatures on a petition, online and on paper, from those who want Mitterrand to step down.

"We really hope he will resign," National Front communications director Julien Sanchez told CNN.

"It's an embarrassment for our country, that our culture minister has done this. It affects our international image. It's not right," he added. Watch report on the controversy surrounding French Culture Minister Frederic Mitterand »

On the other side of the political spectrum, the left-leaning Socialist Party suggested Sarkozy should consider Mitterrand's position.

"It's up to President Sarkozy to decide whether or not we can be involved in the fight against child prostitution and sexual tourism, and whether or not the acts written in an autobiography -- written by a minister -- are acts of sexual commerce," said party spokesman Benoit Hamon.

"If everything is relative and Mr. Mitterrand can be excused because he's famous, well, I don't excuse his behavior," Hamon said.

Martine Aubry, the leader of the Socialist Party, said she would wait until she had read the book before making any judgment.

Mitterrand told an interviewer in 2005 that assertions that he liked "little boys" were untrue.

"It's because when people say 'boys' we imagine 'little boys,'" he said then. "How to explain that? It belongs to this general puritanism which surrounds us, which always makes us paint a black picture of the situation. It has nothing to do with that."

Mitterrand was a television personality, not a government minister, when the book was published. It caused a stir upon its publication, as well, and has been the subject of heated debate several times since then.

In the excerpt published by Le Monde newspaper Thursday, Mitterrand talks about visiting clubs to choose young male prostitutes in Thailand -- where prostitution is illegal and sexual intercourse with a minor is statutory rape and is punishable by imprisonment.

"Most of them are young, handsome, and apparently unaware of the devastation that their activities could bring them. I would learn later that they didn't come every night, that they were often students, had a girlfriend and sometimes even lived with their families, who pretended not to know the source of their breadwinner's earnings," the book said.

"Some of them were older and there was also a small contingent of heavier bruisers, who also had their fans. It was the artistic side of the exposition: Their presence made the youthful charm of the others stand out."

Mitterrand, the nephew of the Socialist former president Francois Mitterrand, joined Sarkozy's center-right government this summer.

Wikipedia, the user-edited online reference Web site, has locked down Frederic Mitterrand's entry, preventing changes to it.
 

shira

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Originally posted by: Dari
There has been a lot of pro-pedophilia expressions lately. First we had pedo-bear now we have people that support Roman Polanski fleeing from justice. G-d willing, these people will be chased by bullets or just tortured to death.

So, the correct response to SPEECH you dislike is torture and murder.

The irony of your outrage escapes you.



 

Dari

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Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: Dari
There has been a lot of pro-pedophilia expressions lately. First we had pedo-bear now we have people that support Roman Polanski fleeing from justice. G-d willing, these people will be chased by bullets or just tortured to death.

So, the correct response to SPEECH you dislike is torture and murder.

The irony of your outrage escapes you.

It was an autobiography.

"My boy didn't say a word, he stood before me, immobile, his eyes still straight ahead and a half-smile on his lips. I wanted him so badly I was trembling," he wrote.

I'm glad to see you support pedophilia. Your indecision in that Polanski thread spoke volumes. Sad.
 

CallMeJoe

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"Garcon" does not necessarily imply immaturity, just as "Girl" does not necessarily imply jailbait. Since there is a highly indefinite age of the object of M. Mitterand's desire, your outrage may be misplaced.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
"Garcon" does not necessarily imply immaturity, just as "Girl" does not necessarily imply jailbait. Since there is a highly indefinite age of the object of M. Mitterand's desire, your outrage may be misplaced.

Who said I was outraged?
 

Slick5150

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
"Garcon" does not necessarily imply immaturity, just as "Girl" does not necessarily imply jailbait. Since there is a highly indefinite age of the object of M. Mitterand's desire, your outrage may be misplaced.

Who said I was outraged?

You want people to be chased by bullets and/or tortured to death that you're not outraged at?
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: Slick5150
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
"Garcon" does not necessarily imply immaturity, just as "Girl" does not necessarily imply jailbait. Since there is a highly indefinite age of the object of M. Mitterand's desire, your outrage may be misplaced.

Who said I was outraged?

You want people to be chased by bullets and/or tortured to death that you're not outraged at?

Why should there be any outrage? I'm not saying these things out of anger. IMHO, the punishment fits the crime. Criminal acts against children and invalids should be harsher, don't you think?
 

CallMeJoe

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
"Garcon" does not necessarily imply immaturity, just as "Girl" does not necessarily imply jailbait. Since there is a highly indefinite age of the object of M. Mitterand's desire, your outrage may be misplaced.
Who said I was outraged?
Noted. Your wrath may be misdirected.
 

nageov3t

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when there's significant indication that he's a pedophile, I'll be appropriately outraged.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
"Garcon" does not necessarily imply immaturity, just as "Girl" does not necessarily imply jailbait. Since there is a highly indefinite age of the object of M. Mitterand's desire, your outrage may be misplaced.
Who said I was outraged?
Noted. Your wrath may be misdirected.

If this guy wasn't the son of a socialist French president, I wonder which South Asian country's prison he would be spending the rest of his days?
 

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Originally posted by: Dari
If this guy wasn't the son of a socialist French president, I wonder which South Asian country's prison he would be spending the rest of his days?

Is Thailand the correct answer?
 

CallMeJoe

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
"Garcon" does not necessarily imply immaturity, just as "Girl" does not necessarily imply jailbait. Since there is a highly indefinite age of the object of M. Mitterand's desire, your outrage may be misplaced.
Who said I was outraged?
Noted. Your wrath may be misdirected.
If this guy wasn't the son of a socialist French president, I wonder which South Asian country's prison he would be spending the rest of his days?
It appears my comment lacked sufficient directness; where is the evidence that M. Mitterand's paramour was underage?
 

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Originally posted by: Dari
There has been a lot of pro-pedophilia expressions lately. First we had pedo-bear now we have people that support Roman Polanski fleeing from justice. G-d willing, these people will be chased by bullets or just tortured to death.
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Well without Jesus who else am I suppose to look up to?!
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
"Garcon" does not necessarily imply immaturity, just as "Girl" does not necessarily imply jailbait. Since there is a highly indefinite age of the object of M. Mitterand's desire, your outrage may be misplaced.
Who said I was outraged?
Noted. Your wrath may be misdirected.
If this guy wasn't the son of a socialist French president, I wonder which South Asian country's prison he would be spending the rest of his days?
It appears my comment lacked sufficient directness; where is the evidence that M. Mitterand's paramour was underage?

Lots of anecdotal evidence but nothing concrete. But, then again, I only know what this pervert is writing about in books. All we'd have to do is dig deeper and I'm sure the evidence will crop up. Until then, we can only go by his autobiography and impassioned defense of a fellow pedophile.
 

CallMeJoe

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Originally posted by: Dari
Lots of anecdotal evidence but nothing concrete. But, then again, I only know what this pervert is writing about in books. All we'd have to do is dig deeper and I'm sure the evidence will crop up. Until then, we can only go by his autobiography and impassioned defense of a fellow pedophile.
Homosexual may equal "pervert" for some, but his autobiography is ambiguous at best about the precise age of his sexual contacts. Mr. Polanski is indeed a confessed statutory rapist, but sex with a developed but underage female is not pedophilia.

edit: inadvertent carriage return removed.
 

DucatiMonster696

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Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Originally posted by: Dari
Lots of anecdotal evidence but nothing concrete. But, then again, I only know what this pervert is writing about in books. All we'd have to do is dig deeper and I'm sure the evidence will crop up. Until then, we can only go by his autobiography and impassioned defense of a fellow pedophile.
Homosexual may equal "pervert" for some, but his autobiography is ambiguous at best about the precise age of his sexual contacts. Mr. Polanski is indeed a confessed statutory rapist, but sex with a developed but underage female is not pedophilia.

edit: inadvertent carriage return removed.

It wasn't consensual sex. In the case of Roman.P it was a flat out rape. This was not a 18 year old having sex with his 16 year old girl friend. Don't try to portray it as anything else but a flat out rape which it was in RP's case.
 

shira

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: shira
Originally posted by: Dari
There has been a lot of pro-pedophilia expressions lately. First we had pedo-bear now we have people that support Roman Polanski fleeing from justice. G-d willing, these people will be chased by bullets or just tortured to death.

So, the correct response to SPEECH you dislike is torture and murder.

The irony of your outrage escapes you.

It was an autobiography.

"My boy didn't say a word, he stood before me, immobile, his eyes still straight ahead and a half-smile on his lips. I wanted him so badly I was trembling," he wrote.

I'm glad to see you support pedophilia. Your indecision in that Polanski thread spoke volumes. Sad.

You wrote,

Now we have people that support Roman Polanski fleeing from justice

then you wrote,

G-d willing, these people will be chased by bullets or just tortured to death.

"these people" are not pedophiles. They are people who "support Roman Polanski."

So you are advocating torture and death for people who "support Roman Polanski."





 

CallMeJoe

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Originally posted by: DucatiMonster696
Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Originally posted by: Dari
Lots of anecdotal evidence but nothing concrete. But, then again, I only know what this pervert is writing about in books. All we'd have to do is dig deeper and I'm sure the evidence will crop up. Until then, we can only go by his autobiography and impassioned defense of a fellow pedophile.
Homosexual may equal "pervert" for some, but his autobiography is ambiguous at best about the precise age of his sexual contacts. Mr. Polanski is indeed a confessed statutory rapist, but sex with a developed but underage female is not pedophilia.
It wasn't consensual sex. In the case of Roman.P it was a flat out rape. This was not a 18 year old having sex with his 16 year old girl friend. Don't try to portray it as anything else but a flat out rape which it was in RP's case.
I did not post, and did not mean to imply, that Mr. Polanski's offense was a consensual act. I was addressing the "pedophile" characterization. As reprehensible as Mr. Polanski's rape of a 13-year-old girl was, it does not make him a pedophile.
Rapist, yes. Statutory rapist, yes. Pedophile, no.
 

DucatiMonster696

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Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Originally posted by: DucatiMonster696
Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Originally posted by: Dari
Lots of anecdotal evidence but nothing concrete. But, then again, I only know what this pervert is writing about in books. All we'd have to do is dig deeper and I'm sure the evidence will crop up. Until then, we can only go by his autobiography and impassioned defense of a fellow pedophile.
Homosexual may equal "pervert" for some, but his autobiography is ambiguous at best about the precise age of his sexual contacts. Mr. Polanski is indeed a confessed statutory rapist, but sex with a developed but underage female is not pedophilia.
It wasn't consensual sex. In the case of Roman.P it was a flat out rape. This was not a 18 year old having sex with his 16 year old girl friend. Don't try to portray it as anything else but a flat out rape which it was in RP's case.
I did not post, and did not mean to imply, that Mr. Polanski's offense was a consensual act. I was addressing the "pedophile" characterization. As reprehensible as Mr. Polanski's rape of a 13-year-old girl was, it does not make him a pedophile.
Rapist, yes. Statutory rapist, yes. Pedophile, no.

I guess a guy who only occasionally has sex with kids is not a pedophile in your book but he is in others peoples view.
 

CallMeJoe

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Originally posted by: DucatiMonster696
I guess a guy who only occasionally has sex with kids is not a pedophile in your book but he is in others peoples view.
Pedophilia is a sexual attraction to physically immature boys or girls. Please note Lack of Secondary Sexual Characteristics. Sex with a physically developed underage female may be abominable, especially given the age difference and power disparity between Roman Polanski and his victim, but it is not pedophilia.

Rapist? Yes. Statutory rapist? Yes. Creep? Yes.

Pedophile? No.
 

Zstream

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Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Originally posted by: DucatiMonster696
I guess a guy who only occasionally has sex with kids is not a pedophile in your book but he is in others peoples view.
Pedophilia is a sexual attraction to physically immature boys or girls. Please note Lack of Secondary Sexual Characteristics. Sex with a physically developed underage female may be abominable, especially given the age difference and power disparity between Roman Polanski and his victim, but it is not pedophilia.

Rapist? Yes. Statutory rapist? Yes. Creep? Yes.

Pedophile? No.

So we can tell if someone is a pedophile or not based on what? We know he has had sex with an underage person... We do not however know if he has had sex with more then one person or is a plain old pedophile.

Unfortunately for him, committing a crime is his own self doing. Thus he will be labeled, until he can prove otherwise.
 

Praxis1452

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Originally posted by: Zstream
Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Originally posted by: DucatiMonster696
I guess a guy who only occasionally has sex with kids is not a pedophile in your book but he is in others peoples view.
Pedophilia is a sexual attraction to physically immature boys or girls. Please note Lack of Secondary Sexual Characteristics. Sex with a physically developed underage female may be abominable, especially given the age difference and power disparity between Roman Polanski and his victim, but it is not pedophilia.

Rapist? Yes. Statutory rapist? Yes. Creep? Yes.

Pedophile? No.

So we can tell if someone is a pedophile or not based on what? We know he has had sex with an underage person... We do not however know if he has had sex with more then one person or is a plain old pedophile.

Unfortunately for him, committing a crime is his own self doing. Thus he will be labeled, until he can prove otherwise.
Thus you will call him so until he proves otherwise is more accurate, however the burden of proof is on you, because he cannot possibly have records for his entire life. You, must prove that he has had sex with some girls lacking "secondary sexual characteristics". You just made an "argument from ignorance". Congrats.

And, if the girl did not lack secondary sexual characteristics, then he is not clinically a pedophile. End of discussion.

btw I don't care what happens to him, just pointing out how wrong you are.
 

CallMeJoe

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Originally posted by: between
"boys" is used to refer to young men, or even older gay men, in gay circles. it doesn't imply an actual, prepubescent male.
whether or not you think it is immoral or tacky to pay for sex is another issue. Personally I don't have a problem with prostitution.
M. Mitterand used the French word "garcon", which is even less age-specific than the English "boy".
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Originally posted by: between
"boys" is used to refer to young men, or even older gay men, in gay circles. it doesn't imply an actual, prepubescent male.
whether or not you think it is immoral or tacky to pay for sex is another issue. Personally I don't have a problem with prostitution.
M. Mitterand used the French word "garcon", which is even less age-specific than the English "boy".

People are morons. When they don't like something they want it dead. I understand the feeling intimately. I wish you morons that felt that way were dead. You are nothing but a bunch of sick egotistical assholes who are so simple minded that the only thing you can think of to solve anything with is killing somebody. Of course that's all you can think of, you're brain dead and it's a pity the rest of you isn't dead too.