Another example of "zero tolerance" policies in action

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: Kev

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Kev
"The difference between my private employer and a public school is that the public school is an arm of the government."

Just because it's a public school and it's supported by the gov't, doesn't mean they can't have any rules. I guess we should allow kids to bring guns to school, I mean it's their constitutional right to bear arms. :roll:

Are you being intentionally obtuse?

Oh right, because everyone else in every state is already allowed to walk around carrying guns without so much as a license.

You missed my point completely. The constitution is not the end-all be-all of every law in this fvcking country. There are certain limits to rights, just like the right to bear arms is limited, the kids' "free speech" is limited by the school's dress code, which they implemented, whether anybody likes it or not, to keep these little sh*ts under some sort of control.

I don't disagree with you, but it seems to me that if they are going to ban words that sound similar to "bad" words, they are getting out of control. Not everyone considers this offensive, so the rule will never be enforced fairly. How many teachers didn't give her shirt a second glance? Will students who have teachers with properly developed senses of humor be exempted from this rule by virtue of the fact that it simply won't be enforced by these people?

Even in the "real" world, free speech has its limitations, but those limitations should be applied as fairly and evenly as possible.

 

[IHYLN]

haha this thread is classic

people who think "damn" is a curse word or in any way way inflammatory = blithering retards

 

[Mail5398]

Kids in no way have the same rights as adults. The supreme court has ruled on this matter several times.

 

[Sideswipe001]

I'm sorry, but schools are not a democrocy. My teachers were dictators in their classes, and the principal is one for the school. They do this to keep order. Kids are kids. They are not capable of being responsible with too much "freedom" - they would never learn a thing in school if they were given it.

If some kid came to school with a t-shirt that said "Kill all people named Joe, they suck" you might be offended if you were named Joe, and want them to prevent that t-shirt from being worn again. But what if everyone not named joe didn't care because it didn't offend them?

The point is that the school was using "common sense" in banning a shirt that had a veiled curse. It was within their right to ban her, just as it's within her right to wear it. Freedom is not absence of law or consequences. If there was no law and no consequences, you have anarchy. In this case, it's her right to wear that shirt - and the school's right to ban her because of it. Sure, the first amendment lets her wear it. But it doesn't protect her from the consequences of wearing it.

 

[Ornery]

This whole topic is full of dam fvcktards. She was told to change or be disciplined. It could have ended right there, but she escalated it. Home school the little shlt, who cares?

 

[maziwanka]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Wow. I don't even know what to say to that. It's all a power trip for these people...

indeed.

 

[Ornery]

Originally posted by: maziwanka

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001
Wow. I don't even know what to say to that. It's all a power trip for these people...

indeed.

Yeah, what an azzhole!

 

[xboxist]

Since when did "damn" become a word of profanity? It's a valid word with a valid definition and function. If you're offended by that word, well... I don't know. I would instantly despise you and wish a terrible fate upon thee. Stupid people, everywhere.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: NFS4
As much as I hate these stupid schools and their "damn" policies, I actually kinda side with the school on this one.

Everyone knows what's implied. "Damn" is implied, and "Dam" is just a sly pun to get around sounding offensive.

We as adults might not find it much to make fuss over, but teachers don't need to have kids in their class snickering a yelling dam b/c they're too immmature.

It's no different IMHO than if she showed up wearing a shirt that said "I don't give a F---"

Three dashes might "disguise" the word, but every 12 year old knows what it is/means.

I agree also, just becaus its a play on words doenst make it acceptable.

 

[KarenMarie]

If the school has a dress code, they have a dress code. As long as it is instituted fairly, then it should be adhered to. Stupid or not. And I would love to kick the fool who decided that minors have the same rights as adults. Sheesh, I may be old, but I remember when kids did what they were told and didnt have the right to sue every time their feelings were hurt.

All these legal battles against the school system only takes money out of the system that could be better used in other ways... like ermm.. teaching the kids.

Loosely coded school uniforms are a good idea, imho. Not a strict uniform like VeggieFrog wore in school in the UK. Perhaps, black slacks, white shirt button up, and black shoes. Not too tight or low cut, no pant waists lower than the but crack and no tee shitrs that are eleven sizes too big... and absolutely no advertising of any sort. Make it clear from the outset what vairations of this 'uniform' is accaptable and send home whomever violates the code. I know many of you will :Q cause the girlies wont go to school half dressed or in tight clothes, but hey this is school not a nightclub. And as far as freedom of expression.. well, there is plenty of time for that after graduation.

</me dons flame suit>

 

[Saulbadguy]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: NFS4
As much as I hate these stupid schools and their "damn" policies, I actually kinda side with the school on this one.

Everyone knows what's implied. "Damn" is implied, and "Dam" is just a sly pun to get around sounding offensive.

We as adults might not find it much to make fuss over, but teachers don't need to have kids in their class snickering a yelling dam b/c they're too immmature.

It's no different IMHO than if she showed up wearing a shirt that said "I don't give a F---"

Three dashes might "disguise" the word, but every 12 year old knows what it is/means.

I agree also, just becaus its a play on words doenst make it acceptable.

Correct. We couldn't wear Muck Fizzou t-shirts in high school. Neither "Muck" or "Fizzou" is a curse word, but the intent is there, just like it is on this t-shirt. "Damn" is a pretty tame "curse" word, but its not something you'd want your 12 year old son/daughter using in school if you are a good parent.

 

[Saulbadguy]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Whade
I don't think kids should be allowed to wear shirts with curse words on them at school. No its not the end of the world but children need to have limits, especially in school. If you allow one shirt like this they will have kids coming in with worse words that are one letter off.

"Dam" is not a fvcking curse word. Do you want to ban the words "shot", "fudge", "puck", "as", etc too?

You never cease to amaze me with your junior-high logic.

 

[JulesMaximus]

:roll:

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
If the school has a dress code, they have a dress code. As long as it is instituted fairly, then it should be adhered to. Stupid or not. And I would love to kick the fool who decided that minors have the same rights as adults. Sheesh, I may be old, but I remember when kids did what they were told and didnt have the right to sue every time their feelings were hurt.

All these legal battles against the school system only takes money out of the system that could be better used in other ways... like ermm.. teaching the kids.

Loosely coded school uniforms are a good idea, imho. Not a strict uniform like VeggieFrog wore in school in the UK. Perhaps, black slacks, white shirt button up, and black shoes. Not too tight or low cut, no pant waists lower than the but crack and no tee shitrs that are eleven sizes too big... and absolutely no advertising of any sort. Make it clear from the outset what vairations of this 'uniform' is accaptable and send home whomever violates the code. I know many of you will :Q cause the girlies wont go to school half dressed or in tight clothes, but hey this is school not a nightclub. And as far as freedom of expression.. well, there is plenty of time for that after graduation.

</me dons flame suit>

Standing ovation, encore, encore!!!

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Saulbadguy

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Whade
I don't think kids should be allowed to wear shirts with curse words on them at school. No its not the end of the world but children need to have limits, especially in school. If you allow one shirt like this they will have kids coming in with worse words that are one letter off.

"Dam" is not a fvcking curse word. Do you want to ban the words "shot", "fudge", "puck", "as", etc too?

You never cease to amaze me with your junior-high logic.

I've heard local radio stations play a version of a song where they edited Colt 45 out. WTF is wrong with that?

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: IHYLN
haha this thread is classic

people who think "damn" is a curse word or in any way way inflammatory = blithering retards

Do you want a classroom full of kids running around saying dam/damn/damnit? The shirt itself is enough to draw away attention and distract other kids who want to mock it or giggle at it.

If damn isn't so bad, then what about sh!t? That isn't so bad is it? Or how about "What the hell." Hey, that can't be bad. Well, maybe b!tch or while we're at it, "FVCK"???

Kids aren't adults, and rightly so they can't do the same things we do. You're in school to learn at that age. You're not there to "make a statement." Do that sh!t in college on your own dime. But when you're in PUBLIC schools under THEIR rules, you better follow the rules.

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: Kev
It's their school and they can make whatever dam rules they want. PS, this girl is a complete idiot for wasting her time on such a worthless "cause."

By law she has to attend untill she is (at least) 16. That is a public school and they must provide her admission. Morality (read values) are closely tied with religion and as a government entity they have no right to impose their "morals" on the students there. That being said, I went to private school all of my life and senior year a friend and I were captains of the debate team and made debate shirts that said "MasterDebater" on the front. We lasted all of 45 minutes before the headmaster told us to either go home and change shirts or go home and don't come back. That was an acceptable outcome.

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: Sideswipe001
I'm sorry, but schools are not a democrocy. My teachers were dictators in their classes, and the principal is one for the school. They do this to keep order. Kids are kids. They are not capable of being responsible with too much "freedom" - they would never learn a thing in school if they were given it.

If some kid came to school with a t-shirt that said "Kill all people named Joe, they suck" you might be offended if you were named Joe, and want them to prevent that t-shirt from being worn again. But what if everyone not named joe didn't care because it didn't offend them?

The point is that the school was using "common sense" in banning a shirt that had a veiled curse. It was within their right to ban her, just as it's within her right to wear it. Freedom is not absence of law or consequences. If there was no law and no consequences, you have anarchy. In this case, it's her right to wear that shirt - and the school's right to ban her because of it. Sure, the first amendment lets her wear it. But it doesn't protect her from the consequences of wearing it.

Interesting...you think zero tolerance is common sense. I weep for our children.

 

[KarenMarie]

Originally posted by: DaiShan

Originally posted by: Kev
It's their school and they can make whatever dam rules they want. PS, this girl is a complete idiot for wasting her time on such a worthless "cause."

By law she has to attend untill she is (at least) 16. That is a public school and they must provide her admission. Morality (read values) are closely tied with religion and as a government entity they have no right to impose their "morals" on the students there. That being said, I went to private school all of my life and senior year a friend and I were captains of the debate team and made debate shirts that said "MasterDebater" on the front. We lasted all of 45 minutes before the headmaster told us to either go home and change shirts or go home and don't come back. That was an acceptable outcome.

morality = religion?
so does that mean that agnostics and atheists have no moral? :Q

I went to public school and they did the same thing. change or go home.. when kids wore stuff that they shouldnt. but at that time... kids were actually afraid of their parents being called to come and get them. Not like today, where kids push the envelope to push the school to call parents who are thrilled to be able to sue.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie

Originally posted by: DaiShan

Originally posted by: Kev
It's their school and they can make whatever dam rules they want. PS, this girl is a complete idiot for wasting her time on such a worthless "cause."

By law she has to attend untill she is (at least) 16. That is a public school and they must provide her admission. Morality (read values) are closely tied with religion and as a government entity they have no right to impose their "morals" on the students there. That being said, I went to private school all of my life and senior year a friend and I were captains of the debate team and made debate shirts that said "MasterDebater" on the front. We lasted all of 45 minutes before the headmaster told us to either go home and change shirts or go home and don't come back. That was an acceptable outcome.

morality = religion?
so does that mean that agnostics and atheists have no moral? :Q

I went to public school and they did the same thing. change or go home.. when kids wore stuff that they shouldnt. but at that time... kids were actually afraid of their parents being called to come and get them. Not like today, where kids push the envelope to push the school to call parents who are thrilled to be able to sue.

All 3 of my kids have a very clear understanding, that if my wife or I get a call from the school to come get them they are in a world of sh*t. ( of course i will listen to their side first)

 

[biostud]

Ye Gods! Who are the school trying to protect?

I can understand if it was something provocative, but it's clearly a innocent joke. Guess they don't wan't any lawsuits for some stupid parent who are trying to protect all these innocent children who will start doing drugs and have pre-marriage sex because their minds were currupted by a T-shirt.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: biostud666
Ye Gods! Who are the school trying to protect?

I can understand if it was something provocative, but it's clearly a innocent joke. Guess they don't wan't any lawsuits for some stupid parent who are trying to protect all these innocent children who will start doing drugs and have pre-marriage sex because their minds were currupted by a T-shirt.

:roll: