that's it. do you think that if a kid wore one of those french connection uk shirts that said "go fcuk yourself" the school would say "oh, it's ok, it's not like it said fvck"? a "dam t-shirt" is the same thing. no profanity on t-shirts = no profanity on t-shirts, and sly misspellings (or homonyms) aren't going to save it.
that's it. do you think that if a kid wore one of those french connection uk shirts that said "go fcuk yourself" the school would say "oh, it's ok, it's not like it said fvck"? a "dam t-shirt" is the same thing. no profanity on t-shirts = no profanity on t-shirts, and sly misspellings (or homonyms) aren't going to save it.
DrPizza
Administrator Elite Member Goat Whisperer
I agree 100% with the school. And, if you're going to find a cause, go find some meaningful cause. The school isn't the one making a huge issue over it, it's the media looking for sensationalism. (and/or the family - someone must have contacted the media.)
As far as the right to free speech, uhhhh, I think it's time the students (and a few of you) actually need to learn what it means. (or maybe simply read it
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise therof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Now, would someone point to the line that says "your employer cannot dictate what's appropriate speech"? "Your school cannot make rules about what you have printed on your shirt"?
What's wrong with them enforcing their school's rules? "Dam" doesn't offend me and it baffles me why they would care enough to suspend her, but why the fvck does she need to fight her "cause" to wear that stupid shirt in the first place? I'll tell you exactly why, she's a snotty little brat who wants attention, just like the idiots who complained about the pledge of allegiance. All destined to be drains on society.
I guess I'm just used to 12 years of private school where they have this thing called "discipline."
Funny thing is, seeing as how minors aren't represented as right-bearing citizens, she doesn't HAVE any first amendment rights.
The difference between my private employer and a public school is that the public school is an arm of the government. Same reason there is all this controversy over prayer, the 10 commandments, and "under God" in the pledge of allegiance - because these things in a public school are tantamount to the government establishing a specific religion in the minds of many people.
Finally, I don't think damn should be considered "profane." What kind of ninnies are offended by "damn?"
"The difference between my private employer and a public school is that the public school is an arm of the government."
Just because it's a public school and it's supported by the gov't, doesn't mean they can't have any rules. I guess we should allow kids to bring guns to school, I mean it's their constitutional right to bear arms. :roll:
Just because it's a public school and it's supported by the gov't, doesn't mean they can't have any rules. I guess we should allow kids to bring guns to school, I mean it's their constitutional right to bear arms. :roll:
Are you being intentionally obtuse?
Oh right, because everyone else in every state is already allowed to walk around carrying guns without so much as a license.
halik
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"Our dress code reflects community values, so we make decisions based on that," Gazaway said.
I swear got id go pee on that persons lawn if this way around here. What a bunch of uptight BS.
First off "DAMN" is not a profanity, its a valid word with many references including bible
Main Entry: 1damn
Pronunciation: 'dam
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): damned; damn·ing /'da-mi[ng]/
Etymology: Middle English dampnen, from Old French dampner, from Latin damnare, from damnum damage, loss, fine
transitive senses
1 : to condemn to a punishment or fate; especially : to condemn to hell
2 a : to condemn vigorously and often irascibly for some real or fancied fault or defect <damned the storm for their delay> b : to condemn as a failure by public criticism
.... act of condamnation. How is that offensive in any way escapes me....
I swear got id go pee on that persons lawn if this way around here. What a bunch of uptight BS.
First off "DAMN" is not a profanity, its a valid word with many references including bible
Main Entry: 1damn
Pronunciation: 'dam
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): damned; damn·ing /'da-mi[ng]/
Etymology: Middle English dampnen, from Old French dampner, from Latin damnare, from damnum damage, loss, fine
transitive senses
1 : to condemn to a punishment or fate; especially : to condemn to hell
2 a : to condemn vigorously and often irascibly for some real or fancied fault or defect <damned the storm for their delay> b : to condemn as a failure by public criticism
.... act of condamnation. How is that offensive in any way escapes me....
You missed my point completely. The constitution is not the end-all be-all of every law in this fvcking country. There are certain limits to rights, just like the right to bear arms is limited, the kids' "free speech" is limited by the school's dress code, which they implemented, whether anybody likes it or not, to keep these little sh*ts under some sort of control.
ViRGE
Elite Member, Moderator Emeritus
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And this is why schools need to implement dress codes: none of these silly wars about "expression" or "free speech", or all the problems it leads to. Put them in to all the same clothing, so that they can't argue over stupid things, and it'll all be hunky dory. They can have their "expression" back once they're in college, and can properly use it.
It's not like the shirt is purposely offensive - it's an attempt at humor by the makers of the shirt. Mother fvcking anal school people, jesus.
Ah! But suspending kids for those infractions teaches them many valuable lessons:
1. They learn, first-hand, that most authority figures are both stupid and predictable. This lesson alone will serve them well in life.
2. They learn the importance of rules. The very existence of rules that go beyond basic ethics is a very useful datum when dealing with the people who impose rules.
3. They learn that many higher-level administrators are spiteful, petty, and vindictive idiots who derive great pleasure from exercising power. To enforce any rule is an exercise of power -- but it's a much greater exercise of power to impose a draconian penalty for frivolous reasons. After all, if you're truly powerful, you don't HAVE to justify yourself to your lessers, right?
4. With any luck, they will learn that fvcking with these dim bulbs is a community service, a moral imperative... and a hell of a lot of fun, to boot! (And anyone who says they can't manage that while still [technically] following all those stupid-a$$ rules isn't trying!)
-- Loki, on kids being suspended for having untucked shirts
And damn (as has been pointed out) is only profanity to the uber uptight. Originally used as a religious curse, invoking God to damn someone/thing to hell for some tresspass, it has since devolved into a one word expression of frustration.
1. They learn, first-hand, that most authority figures are both stupid and predictable. This lesson alone will serve them well in life.
2. They learn the importance of rules. The very existence of rules that go beyond basic ethics is a very useful datum when dealing with the people who impose rules.
3. They learn that many higher-level administrators are spiteful, petty, and vindictive idiots who derive great pleasure from exercising power. To enforce any rule is an exercise of power -- but it's a much greater exercise of power to impose a draconian penalty for frivolous reasons. After all, if you're truly powerful, you don't HAVE to justify yourself to your lessers, right?
4. With any luck, they will learn that fvcking with these dim bulbs is a community service, a moral imperative... and a hell of a lot of fun, to boot! (And anyone who says they can't manage that while still [technically] following all those stupid-a$$ rules isn't trying!)
-- Loki, on kids being suspended for having untucked shirts
Where do you think the children lean them in the first place? Most of the time it's from their peers at school. By second grade (if not 1st) I knew all the profanity I'd need.
And damn (as has been pointed out) is only profanity to the uber uptight. Originally used as a religious curse, invoking God to damn someone/thing to hell for some tresspass, it has since devolved into a one word expression of frustration.
Exactly!! Get them used to conformity and enforced codes of conduct at an early age. That'll lean 'em not to question authority.
Haha, what part of "Dress Code" was unclear to these idiots? This sort of BS has been going on since I was in school in the '70's.
Idiots.
Idiots.
Originally posted by: tweakmm
What a dam shame.
You "dam" right!
Personally, if I was the principal, I'd crack down on "Puck You!," "I don't give a F---!," or "Fuk It!" a lot faster than the Hoover dam T-shirt, because one's a supposedly funny Hoover dam souvenir shirt (and the Hoover dam is a marvel of planning and engineering that kids should be aware of anyway), and the others are just attempting to be shocking and offensive using disguised swear words. It's all about context. Zero tolerance policies throw context and common sense out the window, and insult the intelligence of kids, parents, and the community at large.
Recently on eBay, some auctions for movie props with Nazi symbols were cancelled, due to eBay's zero tolerance policy about Nazi memoribilia.
Modeps
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I'm a little torn here in what to think about this. On one hand, while it isnt cursing, it IS meant to sound like a one. On another hand, I really don't see the harm in the shirt.
As for this kid saying that she's standing up for her constitutional rights, $10 says she barely knows what the first amendment is. As for the parents supporting her, that's fine and dandy, but it feels like someone is really trying to get their 15 minutes.
This is just another instance where people should be spending their time doing something else other than complaining...
As for this kid saying that she's standing up for her constitutional rights, $10 says she barely knows what the first amendment is. As for the parents supporting her, that's fine and dandy, but it feels like someone is really trying to get their 15 minutes.
This is just another instance where people should be spending their time doing something else other than complaining...
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