Another "dean scream"

CADsortaGUY

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I recieved this email tonight from howie.
Dear Martin,

George Bush is not being straight with the American people about the draft. He promised in the first presidential debate to win the war on terror with "an all-volunteer army". He has already violated that commitment.

The truth is that a draft has already begun -- it just hasn't affected most of our families yet. Active duty soldiers who finish their commitments are being forced to stay in. And the flagrant misuse of the National Guard and Reserves has ripped apart families by sending unprecedented numbers of them to occupy a foreign country.

Because of George Bush's failure to lead the world, we are nearly alone in Iraq. If we "stay the course" with this president, he will face a choice: drastically reduce our commitments or reinstate the draft. Sign the petition demanding that he tell Americans which one he will choose:

http://www.democracyforamerica.com/nodraft

George Bush chose to go to war without substantial help from our allies. He has badly over-committed our armed forces. One of the Joint Chiefs and his own administrator in Iraq have both said that we will need tens of thousands more troops to stabilize Iraq. Extreme measures are already being taken to meet the shortfall -- and the president has an obligation to explain how he will meet our commitments without drafting young people into service.

Fathers from New York who joined the Reserves to guard America against another attack have been sent to Iraq. Teenagers in the Florida National Guard who expected to provide hurricane relief in their home state have been forced to fight halfway around the world.

George Bush has left our homeland unprotected. And his plans to move existing forces away from threats like North Korea put our interests and our allies in danger. This cannot continue. Sign this petition demanding honesty -- we will deliver it to the White House:

http://www.democracyforamerica.com/nodraft

Family friends helped a young George Bush dodge the draft. Dick Cheney didn't fight because he had, in his words, "other priorities" -- he got five deferments. We cannot afford to let them dodge the question of a draft now.

Will they force a new generation of young people to make the sacrifices they refused to make? Or will they leave us unprotected at home and in other dangerous parts of the world?

I have a son in college. My family and millions of other families could be affected by a draft. We deserve to know before we vote in November how George Bush and Dick Cheney plan to prevent one. Sign the petition now:

http://www.democracyforamerica.com/nodraft

Just recently a frightened Congress voted down a bill calling for a draft. (After all, they need to get re-elected in a few weeks.) But the way they rejected the bill showed just how easy calling a draft would be -- they suspended normal rules and voted with almost no warning. Authorizing a draft would be just as easy -- it could be done in less than 48 hours.

We have been misled about this war from the beginning. They said Iraq had nuclear weapons -- that was false. They said the whole war would cost a few billion dollars -- in reality, we spend several billion dollars every month. They say things are getting better -- but every month brings more casualties than the last.

Now they say we won't need a draft. We cannot afford to take their word for it.

Governor Howard Dean, M.D.

P.S. Please forward this message to your friends. We will only get the truth if we all stand up and demand it.
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Now that was a load of FUD.

Does he not realize that the draft bill was TROUNCED the other day and that the bill's author even voted against it? Does he also not realize that the Administration can't just start one on their own? Does he not realize that Congress has to vote for one?

:roll: howie has become a has-been joke like algore.

CsG
 

Kibbo

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Umm, I think his overall point was that the war in Iraq is putting an unfair burden on the National Guard and the Reserves. The last bit about the actual draft bill was more to illustrate that the current administration is untrustworthy. The whole thing was mostly rhetoric, saying that the war is bad, and Bush is dishonest.

It wasn't about the draft, or creating FUD.

What's happening to you CaD? You're usually more on the ball than you have been recently.
 

Todd33

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Does he not realize that the draft bill was TROUNCED the other day and that the bill's author even voted against it?

Anyone with half a brain knows that vote was a political stunt for the election and has nothing to do with the realities that will hit the American people next year. The draft is unknown at this point, the truth will never come out before Nov 2, from either side.
 

0marTheZealot

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watch the draft bill be reinstituted after the election
or
the president simply invokes a number of executive decisions and thereby by-passes congress for all intents and purposes
 

Crimson

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That article is flawed from the start.. Active Duty military have not fullfilled their committment until they have had 4 years of inactive reserves.. to say otherwise is just an outright LIE.. EVERYONE in the military knows they have the 4 years active and 4 years inactive..
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Now that was a load of FUD.
At least he didn't suggest we'd get hit again by terrorists if Bush was re-elected. Now that would have been something...
 

Ldir

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I recieved this email tonight from howie.
The truth is that a draft has already begun -- it just hasn't affected most of our families yet. Active duty soldiers who finish their commitments are being forced to stay in. And the flagrant misuse of the National Guard and Reserves has ripped apart families by sending unprecedented numbers of them to occupy a foreign country.

Now that was a load of FUD.

Does he not realize that the draft bill was TROUNCED the other day and that the bill's author even voted against it? Does he also not realize that the Administration can't just start one on their own? Does he not realize that Congress has to vote for one?

:roll: howie has become a has-been joke like algore.

CsG

You do not read very well do you? Dean explains what he means by a draft. The FUD is you. Read it again. I cut it down to one paragraph. Try to stay focused all the way to the end.


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Sep 29, 2004
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Originally posted by: 0marTheZealot
watch the draft bill be reinstituted after the election
or
the president simply invokes a number of executive decisions and thereby by-passes congress for all intents and purposes

That's never happened before. or has it? hrmmmm. Democracy or dictatorship. Your vote decides America!
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Kibbo
Umm, I think his overall point was that the war in Iraq is putting an unfair burden on the National Guard and the Reserves. The last bit about the actual draft bill was more to illustrate that the current administration is untrustworthy. The whole thing was mostly rhetoric, saying that the war is bad, and Bush is dishonest.

It wasn't about the draft, or creating FUD.

What's happening to you CaD? You're usually more on the ball than you have been recently.

Ummm...

Yeah, sure - stay blind if you wish. Oh, and I've been spot on as always, but thanks for asking.

Ldir - howie is spreading FUD - period. There is NO need for a petition - it's not happening. You leftists make me laugh. Some listen to howie stern for laughs - I come here and read posts by leftists.

CsG
 

Jhhnn

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Funny how anybody less reactionary than Limbaugh, Hastert and DeLay are now 'leftists".

There is no "Left" in American politics, other than maybe Kucinich.

Perhaps you'd care to explain how troop strengths will be maintained w/o a draft in the face of falling re-ups and falling enlistments? How we'll support the Bush policy of Global confrontation w/o the wherewithall to follow thru on bullying and threats? How do we follow up with Iran, NKorea, and the Syrians after we rattle their cages, piss in their punchbowls?

The all-volunteer force was never designed to support a coldwar kind of policy of global domination and outright aggression with simultaneous occupation of two countries, very limited support from our allies... it depends on such international support for major action in ways that the Admin has completely ignored...

Wanna play the Neocon game of global hegemony? Better be able to back it up, and that won't happen w/o some kind of conscription in our futures. Right now, it's just extended duty for those already signed up, caught in the machinery. It can't last forever- then what? Spitballs?
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Now that was a load of FUD.
At least he didn't suggest we'd get hit again by terrorists if Bush was re-elected. Now that would have been something...