Another day another food facility fire

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

Another Squirrely post!!!

 

[Captante]

FACT FOCUS: Food Plant Fires Fuel Conspiracy Theory

(USA Today)

CLAIM: Suspicious fires at food processing plants in the U.S. are being used to create food shortages.

THE FACTS: Widely shared social media posts in recent weeks have featured lists, maps and headline montages about such fires to suggest a nefarious plot is at play — even though fire officials in many of the cases say the blazes were accidents, not the work of arsonists.


“There doesn’t appear to be any evidence connecting these fires in any way, and there is absolutely no danger to the US food supply because of a series of unrelated, unfortunate accidents,” Sam Gazdziak, a spokesperson for the American Association of Meat Processors, said in an email."

 

[Red Squirrel]

I don't think it's going to cause of shortages, but it definitely is alarming that there are so many of them especially after Biden said there will be shortages. Clearly something weird is up, whether or not it's malicious, can't make that call without knowing more. It seems these are all unrelated and none seem to have been ruled as arson.

This could potentially lead to shortages if it does not stop though, since I doubt those plants can be repaired overnight. (some did get more damage than others) If anything it could trigger panic buying like what happened with toilet paper. There was no actual shortage of toilet paper but people panic buying meant the shelves stayed empty all the time. I could see this drive up prices further too. A tiny incident happens at an oil plant outside the country and it's enough to drive gas prices up.

Either way probably a good idea to have a good food supply these days. Country is in a mess in general and the economy is holding on by a string.

 

[Captante]

 

[sdifox]

lol @ silly squirrel. He would die of shock if he learns how much food is dumped.

 

[pete6032]

whether or not it's malicious, can't make that call without knowing more.

Actually, you can.

• You can read the news articles about each fire and learn about the causes of the fires. Is there a common theme to these fires? Did any of the officials who spoke to the press say they suspected foul play?
• You can compare the number of fires to previous years. Is there a large increase in the number of fires or is the rate of fires similar to previous years?
• You can review the research that other reliable sources have written about the fires and foul play.

If you did all three of those things, you could use deductive reasoning to determine whether the fires are "malicious" or just random occurrences.

Or you could disregard reason and evidence and just conclude that the fires are caused by arsonists and left wing extremists because you don't like Joe Biden.

The choice is yours. Choose wisely.

 

[Red Squirrel]

Actually, you can.

• You can read the news articles about each fire and learn about the causes of the fires. Is there a common theme to these fires? Did any of the officials say they suspected foul play?
• You can compare the number of fires to previous years. Is there a large increase in the number of fires or is the rate of fires similar to previous years?
• You can review the research that other reliable sources have written about the fires and foul play.

If you did all three of those things, you could use deductive reasoning to determine whether the fires are "malicious" or just random occurrences.

Or you could disregard reason and not think critically about it and just conclude through no rational means that the fires are caused by arsonists and left wing extremists.

The choice is yours. Choose wisely.

A lot of info is not known, the news only reports what they know. But seeing a sudden influx is still enough to start asking questions. If it is malicious it would need to be quite elaborate though. At some point I'm sure at least one would have been found to be arson. Either way it is very odd what's going on, and can't really be dismissed.

 

[pete6032]

A lot of info is not known, the news only reports what they know. But seeing a sudden influx is still enough to start asking questions. If it is malicious it would need to be quite elaborate though. At some point I'm sure at least one would have been found to be arson. Either way it is very odd what's going on, and can't really be dismissed.

How many fires have there been? How many is an influx? Over what time period?

 

[Red Squirrel]

How many fires have there been? How many is an influx? Over what time period?

Over a dozen in a few months. It's pretty crazy.

Someone started to compile them, you can google the headlines, this is real and not just a made up image.

Someone also made a map, though I have not verified to see if they all match.

There may be someone keeping better track, I just seem to notice quite a lot of individual articles every couple days it seems.

 

[Captante]

Nothing to See Here (National Fire Protection Journal)

"Recent fires at food processing facilities have some claiming there’s more going on than meets the eye. Experts aren’t convinced."


"In 2019, the number of fires at all manufacturing or processing plants in the country topped 5,300—nearly 15 a day. Additionally, more than 2,000 fires occurred in agricultural, grain and livestock, and refrigerated storage facilities, which could all include food processing operations."



The point is that number of fires in food-processing plants wouldn't be "significant" if it happened over a week... that type of fire is extremely common.

But herp-derp Tucker Carlson said so must be true....???

 

[waffleironhead]

Posts image about a fire in mauston wisconsin, posts a map with no fire in mauston wisconsin

 

[sandorski]

"We're not allowed to talk about." stated while talking about it.

 

[Number1]

The vegans are going to starve us to death?

It's incredible that this fucker is trying to pass this as an inteligent topic of "discution".

Let me tell you what this is about: spewing hatred true inuendos, half truth, lies, deception. Like that birther bull Trump spread for years.

Fuck you and your bunch .

 

[zinfamous]

Actually there has been a lot. Snopes is just dismissing it but if you lookup each of the articles in that picture they are real. None of these seem to be linked or even malicious in nature, but it is kind of odd. Maybe it's just due to staff downsizing across the board? Less maintenance happening?

no one is saying that they aren't real. the point is that there isn't an unusual rate increase in the actual fires. This is called "normal." The rate increase is in reporting/focusing on individual fires as if it's worthy of special attention.

why is that?

 

[zinfamous]

I don't think it's going to cause of shortages, but it definitely is alarming that there are so many of them especially after Biden said there will be shortages. Clearly something weird is up, whether or not it's malicious, can't make that call without knowing more.

How is it that you have become so fucking stupid? Or, rather, that you've finally decided to go whole hog in the last couple of years and let us know that you were really this stupid all along?

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

especially after Biden said there will be shortages.

Dam yur dum.

 

[zinfamous]

Over a dozen in a few months. It's pretty crazy.

Someone started to compile them, you can google the headlines, this is real and not just a made up image.

[nonsense from crazy rightwing survivalist conspiracists deleted]

Someone also made a map, though I have not verified to see if they all match.

[more nonsense from crazy rightwing survivalist conspiracists deleted]

There may be someone keeping better track, I just seem to notice quite a lot of individual articles every couple days it seems.

Why do you think ATOT is the same as whatever fucking insane rightwing garbage conspiracy sights you normally post in? This nonsense of yours is easily defeated, again, by simple fucking statistics. Why don't you look at the rate of fires from year to year to year? Why don't you do that? Are you going to invent yet another story that this somehow completely normal thing is magically special, suddenly?

Are you going to continue replacing actual debate with trash spam of headlines from stupid tabloids written by illiterate fascists as if that is some sort of argument that anyone with a post-grade school education will listen to?

We already had an OroroOROROororoROOROROoooo trashing this place with garbage like this for years. We don't need another one.

 

[zinfamous]

"Hey guys, I'm just noticing a lot of new articles talking about this for some reason, just saying! Sure, I only read trash garbage clearly written by trash people trying to push fascist rebellion against democratic societies, but it's published on the internet so it should be taken seriously! I'm just reporting what I'm seeing, that's all!"

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

This nonsense of yours is easily defeated, again, by simple fucking statistics. Why don't you look at the rate of fires from year to year to year? Why don't you do that?

:: Squirrel Mode On ::


Cuz'n they weren't no foodie place fars no wherez while Donnie wuz King o the werld.


:: Squirrel Mode Off ::

 

[Number1]

One SquIrrrely source of information.: The WESTERN JOURNAL. no less.

The OP is worst than the truthers we used to have around here. Back then I just thought they were evil and stupid. Op is just evil.

Anyway thanks to everyone for pointing out the nonsense.

 

[allisolm]

I don't think it's going to cause of shortages, but it definitely is alarming that there are so many of them especially after Biden said there will be shortages. Clearly something weird is up, whether or not it's malicious, can't make that call without knowing more. It seems these are all unrelated and none seem to have been ruled as arson.

This could potentially lead to shortages if it does not stop though, since I doubt those plants can be repaired overnight. (some did get more damage than others) If anything it could trigger panic buying like what happened with toilet paper. There was no actual shortage of toilet paper but people panic buying meant the shelves stayed empty all the time. I could see this drive up prices further too. A tiny incident happens at an oil plant outside the country and it's enough to drive gas prices up.

"I don't think it's going to cause of shortages, but it definitely is alarming that there are so many of them especially after Biden said there will be shortages.
NO, it isn't. there aren't any more of them now than there were last year or the year before. There are only people like you SAYING there are so many of them when there aren't.

"Clearly something weird is up, whether or not it's malicious, can't make that call without knowing more.
No, it isn't and yes you can, because you do know more - we have shown you more over and over.

"It seems these are all unrelated and none seem to have been ruled as arson."
Correct. They ARE all unrelated and are not arson. Nothing weird. Nothing out of the ordinary. Nothing but alarmist stuff made up out of whole cloth.

"This could potentially lead to shortages if it does not stop though,"
Only if people like you don't stop repeating the baseless chicken little mantra that something weird is going on when it has been proven that it isn't.

"I could see this drive up prices further too."
Again, only if people like you refuse to look at facts and keep repeating things like "so many fires" and "something weird going on" and "it's alarming."

Just. Stop. Read the postings here. Think about them. They make sense. Whatever you are reading does not.

 

[sdifox]

One SquIrrrely source of information.: The WESTERN JOURNAL. no less.

The OP is worst than the truthers we used to have around here. Back then I just thought they were evil and stupid. Op is just evil.

Anyway thanks to everyone for pointing out the nonsense.

No, Hanlon's razor applies here.

 

[Lost_in_the_HTTP]

One SquIrrrely source of information.: The WESTERN JOURNAL. no less.

The great WHITE north freezes yer brainz.

 

[Amused]

This is EXACTLY the same tactic used to highlight heart attack deaths among athletes in attempts to undermine confidence in the COVID-19 vaccines.

Over the last few decades there have been an average of 150 heart related deaths among student and professional athletes each year in the US alone.

Well over a thousand world wide.

The numbers touted by the anti-vaxxers (a few hundred world wide over 2 years) actually showed a DECREASE in athlete deaths from expected numbers because sporting events had been cancelled due to the pandemic.

But just point out things people never pay attention to and suddenly they are new, alarming and significant!

 

[Torn Mind]

The two plane incidents are a matter of one facility having a giant "pole" sticking 60ft into the air. The other was due to engine failure.

I doubt the pilots voluntarily chose suicide. Not impossible, but unlikely.

Also, the U.S is BIG. Idaho and Georgia are far apart.

The real lesson is that commercial buildings loaded with oil, heat, electricity are indeed extremely dangerous. Even without intentional destruction, separating the materials so that things do not get "sparked".

The other real lesson is that no one gives a fuck nationally unless there is a narrative to spin via the little allowances between journalistic standards to "spin the news" for the general public, who are emotionally and rationally undisciplined.

ON the one hand, there is no intentional stringing of attacks on plants. But on the other hand, lack of conspiracy does not mean somewhere, safety and volatile chemicals going off are supposed to acceptable as normal. Perhaps building codes for commercial(most laypeople would be clueless with commercial electric work), factory layout, etc needs to be improved on. But those things are not sexy enough for national news.

Prices do not care about intent or positive-sounding press releases from the company drafted by PR firms. If the particular plant produces more, its loss very well could affect prices.