Another Custom Build PC Help...I7 860/930

[BasariStudios]

First Hello to all, i am new here and i dont know if my Topic is in the right category but i hope
someone will guide me. My name is Nedim and i am from NYC, an Apple guy for the last
13-14 years but also i am not PC iliterate, i've owned quiet a few and i am familiar with them.
Back in 2003 i built another one based on AMD XP2500. I run a recording studio and thats
what the new PC is gonna be used for, mainly. I am also not an Extreme Gamer but i do play
Games once in a while, nothing extreme, mostly games like Call of Duty or Battlefield...and
stuff like that but once in a while. Ok, here we go...Originally i wanted to base the system on
I7 860 and go from there but then someone popped up and changed my mind to go to
930 due to 1333 S motherboard and be FutureProof which is not my intention...i am not
planing on building a 1500$ system now so 8 months from now i can spend another 500$ on
a 6 core CPU again. I wont do that so i guess FutureProofing to me is not important which
brings me back to I7 860. I already had all the configuration made on list to start ordering for
930 when it hit me again to not do that, 500$ at least extra for almost the same performance.
Now i am thinking of going back to 860, it will save me a lot of money which i can put towards
my new PCIe RME Audio Card. For some reason i wanted/want to stay in the ASUS
familly of GXF and MoBo...the original i was planing was the P7P55 LX:
http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_I...84O&templete=2
The GFX Card i wanted/want to use is the ASUS ENGT240 Silent/DI/1GD3:
http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_I...wWL&templete=2
which i think still will work for the I7 860 and the LX Mobo, not just on 930. HDDs i will use
2, 1 will be 180GB split in 2 for 2 different OSs and one will be around 1.5 TB for everything
else, both SATA. I will most likely use the Green WD Caviars. Now, the 2 important parts are
left, PSU/Cooling, originally i was gonna use as Cooling the Noctua NH-U12PSE2120mm:
http://www.noctua.at/main.php?show=p...s_id=31&lng=en
and also the Seasonic X650 Silent CPU Gold:
http://www.seasonicusa.com/X.htm
Thats all about it. Now, i am going back to 860, i dont know if i have to change some of the
above components due to MoBo change but i dont think so except the MoBo itself everything
will work. The only thing thats left now is the MoBo itself and a lot of people are telling me i am
overkilling with PSU, 650 is too much. I have to find something similar to Seasonic at 500 and
then the cooler itself, Zalman or Scythe. The RAM itself will be between Corsair or G.Skill,
which in this case goes back to DualChannel. This computer will be used for music, using
Cubase, Native Instruments and stuff like that...AS I SAID i am not an Extreme Gamer but i like
to play few games once in a while thats why i chose that GXF card. I am not asking for something
extremely silent but decent you know. As for the Case itself i dont know yet, if MID Tower
would be enough for all this or full ATX...lets see, someone say something please. It has to be
silent at least to a point. I will apreciate anyone who willput his few cents in and i apologize if this
becomes annoying with asking questions, i dont wanna just jump in and buy. My current system
is based on a Dual PPC APPLE 2.7 GHZ but i have to give it up, i know its way ahead of any PC
but Apple got ridiculous lately, same specs from the PC above with apple i have to
probably pay like 6000$ or something for almost similar specs...it sux.

Help with:
Mobo and Case (as silent as possible), RAM (dont necesarilly need DDR3) and PSU and Cooling.

Notes:
I am not looking for SLI/CrosFIRE, FutureProof, Extreme GFX, SATA 3 or USB 3.0.
Also, i would not use onboard FW since most of them are not TI, i will add a TI PCIe FW.
The Components mentioned about i am not stuck with, i am open minded to sugestions and advices.

 

[BasariStudios]

That was my original post and choices at the time when i started at other places like a
week ago, right now i am at this stage:



and will be ordering everything this week maybe. My budget is around 1500$ -monitor.
Now, i changed few things from the above JPG list which instead of the Enermax i will
go with the SeaSonic M12II 620 Bronze 620W ATX12V V2.3.
I defenetely wanna stick to the I7 860 and an Asus Board and the GFX as it is.
Now, everything else is for debate...300 opinions and all of them seem right...confusing.
And based on the above components, would i be able to also use a MidTower instead
of full ATX? I like this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...kim1132X509988

Thanks guys.

 

[BasariStudios]

Now this is somewhere close to the final list since then:



Now, i wont be getting the Enermax, i am going with SeaSonic M12II 620 Bronze
620W ATX12V V2.3 and also probably will get OEM. Also, with these components,
would i be able to use a MidTower? I dont really like full ATX since there is not much
choice and they all look ugly, i like this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...kim1132X509988
I would defenitely like to stick with I7 860/AsusMoBo/Asus GFX and everything else
is debatable now, thats where i need help. One other thing i have to stay as away as
possible from ATI and VIA controllers...i would use PCI and whatever other TI controllers
as or FW and other things...AUDIO is not important at all on this MoBo since i am using
HighEnd third party soundcards like Apogee, RME and SSL.

And so you can all understand me better and have more clue:
1.I live in NYC and probably will be ordering from NEWEGG
2. The computer will be built by another person here not me.
3. Budget can go up to 1500$ including case but -Monitor.
4. Game Resolutions i dont know yet, i will use Apple Cinema LCD 20 inches for now.
5. The most important task is doing ProAudio works, Studio Recordings but also
it will be a computer for general use too, like creating slide shows, editing some small
videos for YouTube, Casual Gamer and internet stuff. I am planing on running 2 OSs
on the first smaller HDD, probably XP home and 7 home...or 7 on both.
6. FW not important, Audio not important, Crossfire/SLI not important, FutureProof
not impotant.
7. eSATA important, USB 3 important, LowNoise important.
8. I will probably Overclock but dont know yet and even if i do nothing Extreme,
maybe just its own Booster for certain speeds, i might overclock RAM.
Thank you.

 

[fishfood]

Good luck, big weed fan here too.

 

[itsmevader]

Hi Basari. I have been in same situation last month. I was building my new desktop and found that the market is not good for processors . its completely volatile. Actually I've got confused,what you want to say but looking at the topic heading it feels like your confused between I7860/930.

The best would definitely be I7930. The reason is,930 has a triple memory channels and QPI that will really vanish your needs of 6 core cpu. 860 is at same price but 930 has a cutting edge. I will not recommend you any 6 core cpu now. There are amdx6 and i7980. I980 has performance but its expensive. wait for some day until it gets to $500, which will happen for sure. Now looking at AMD, its good but there are no good compatible motherboards. There is one,Asus 880 , however it comes with in build graphic card ATI 4450 which is not a good GPU and its doesn't support direct X11. This will make you to upgrade your MB next year even if you play games once in while.

So, in nutshell, what I meant to say, don't buy 6 core now. wait for another 6 month if you are not in hurry and market will get stable. you will have more choices than X6 and 980.

As for now I have just upgraded my RAM to 2GB and idea worked out. If you have $500 to spend now, then buy a max compatible RAM and get faster. no need for 6 core cpu.

this is what I had built last month

I7930
MSI X58 PRO E
16 GB DDR3
1 TB SATA
Nvidia GTX 460
CPU cooler
Cooler master case


Let me know if you any doubts

 

[BTRY B 529th FA BN]

First Hello to all, i am new here and i dont know if my Topic is in the right category but i hope
someone will guide me. My name is Nedim and i am from NYC, an Apple guy for the last
13-14 years but also i am not PC iliterate, i've owned quiet a few and i am familiar with them.
Back in 2003 i built another one based on AMD XP2500. I run a recording studio and thats
what the new PC is gonna be used for, mainly. I am also not an Extreme Gamer but i do play
Games once in a while, nothing extreme, mostly games like Call of Duty or Battlefield...and
stuff like that but once in a while. Ok, here we go...Originally i wanted to base the system on
I7 860 and go from there but then someone popped up and changed my mind to go to
930 due to 1333 S motherboard and be FutureProof which is not my intention...i am not
planing on building a 1500$ system now so 8 months from now i can spend another 500$ on
a 6 core CPU again. I wont do that so i guess FutureProofing to me is not important which
brings me back to I7 860. I already had all the configuration made on list to start ordering for
930 when it hit me again to not do that, 500$ at least extra for almost the same performance.
Now i am thinking of going back to 860, it will save me a lot of money which i can put towards
my new PCIe RME Audio Card. For some reason i wanted/want to stay in the ASUS
familly of GXF and MoBo...the original i was planing was the P7P55 LX:
http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_I...84O&templete=2
The GFX Card i wanted/want to use is the ASUS ENGT240 Silent/DI/1GD3:
http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_I...wWL&templete=2
which i think still will work for the I7 860 and the LX Mobo, not just on 930. HDDs i will use
2, 1 will be 180GB split in 2 for 2 different OSs and one will be around 1.5 TB for everything
else, both SATA. I will most likely use the Green WD Caviars. Now, the 2 important parts are
left, PSU/Cooling, originally i was gonna use as Cooling the Noctua NH-U12PSE2120mm:
http://www.noctua.at/main.php?show=p...s_id=31&lng=en
and also the Seasonic X650 Silent CPU Gold:
http://www.seasonicusa.com/X.htm
Thats all about it. Now, i am going back to 860, i dont know if i have to change some of the
above components due to MoBo change but i dont think so except the MoBo itself everything
will work. The only thing thats left now is the MoBo itself and a lot of people are telling me i am
overkilling with PSU, 650 is too much. I have to find something similar to Seasonic at 500 and
then the cooler itself, Zalman or Scythe. The RAM itself will be between Corsair or G.Skill,
which in this case goes back to DualChannel. This computer will be used for music, using
Cubase, Native Instruments and stuff like that...AS I SAID i am not an Extreme Gamer but i like
to play few games once in a while thats why i chose that GXF card. I am not asking for something
extremely silent but decent you know. As for the Case itself i dont know yet, if MID Tower
would be enough for all this or full ATX...lets see, someone say something please. It has to be
silent at least to a point. I will apreciate anyone who willput his few cents in and i apologize if this
becomes annoying with asking questions, i dont wanna just jump in and buy. My current system
is based on a Dual PPC APPLE 2.7 GHZ but i have to give it up, i know its way ahead of any PC
but Apple got ridiculous lately, same specs from the PC above with apple i have to
probably pay like 6000$ or something for almost similar specs...it sux.

Help with:
Mobo and Case (as silent as possible), RAM (dont necesarilly need DDR3) and PSU and Cooling.

Notes:
I am not looking for SLI/CrosFIRE, FutureProof, Extreme GFX, SATA 3 or USB 3.0.
Also, i would not use onboard FW since most of them are not TI, i will add a TI PCIe FW.
The Components mentioned about i am not stuck with, i am open minded to sugestions and advices.

Put this into paragraph form and maybe you'll get more help.

 

[mfenn]

Now this is somewhere close to the final list since then:



Now, i wont be getting the Enermax, i am going with SeaSonic M12II 620 Bronze
620W ATX12V V2.3 and also probably will get OEM. Also, with these components,
would i be able to use a MidTower? I dont really like full ATX since there is not much
choice and they all look ugly, i like this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...kim1132X509988
I would defenitely like to stick with I7 860/AsusMoBo/Asus GFX and everything else
is debatable now, thats where i need help. One other thing i have to stay as away as
possible from ATI and VIA controllers...i would use PCI and whatever other TI controllers
as or FW and other things...AUDIO is not important at all on this MoBo since i am using
HighEnd third party soundcards like Apogee, RME and SSL.

And so you can all understand me better and have more clue:
1.I live in NYC and probably will be ordering from NEWEGG
2. The computer will be built by another person here not me.
3. Budget can go up to 1500$ including case but -Monitor.
4. Game Resolutions i dont know yet, i will use Apple Cinema LCD 20 inches for now.
5. The most important task is doing ProAudio works, Studio Recordings but also
it will be a computer for general use too, like creating slide shows, editing some small
videos for YouTube, Casual Gamer and internet stuff. I am planing on running 2 OSs
on the first smaller HDD, probably XP home and 7 home...or 7 on both.
6. FW not important, Audio not important, Crossfire/SLI not important, FutureProof
not impotant.
7. eSATA important, USB 3 important, LowNoise important.
8. I will probably Overclock but dont know yet and even if i do nothing Extreme,
maybe just its own Booster for certain speeds, i might overclock RAM.
Thank you.

What you have looks pretty good, but I'm going to suggest a few changes. First, you don't need to pay $150 for 4GB of DDR3. This is a good kit for $108. Second, you can buy the OEM version of Windows 7 Home Premium for a bit cheaper. Third, your gaming needs better be VERY casual with a GT240. You can use the money saved on the RAM to get something like a Radeon 5770 and have much better gaming performance. Fourth, you may want to look into the Samsung F3 HDDs. They are as fast as the WD Blacks, but cheaper.

Oh and lol at the comment about a dual 2.7 GHz PPC being faster than any PC. This will blow your old rig out of the water!

 

[mfenn]

Hi Basari. I have been in same situation last month. I was building my new desktop and found that the market is not good for processors . its completely volatile. Actually I've got confused,what you want to say but looking at the topic heading it feels like your confused between I7860/930.

The best would definitely be I7930. The reason is,930 has a triple memory channels and QPI that will really vanish your needs of 6 core cpu. 860 is at same price but 930 has a cutting edge. I will not recommend you any 6 core cpu now. There are amdx6 and i7980. I980 has performance but its expensive. wait for some day until it gets to $500, which will happen for sure. Now looking at AMD, its good but there are no good compatible motherboards. There is one,Asus 880 , however it comes with in build graphic card ATI 4450 which is not a good GPU and its doesn't support direct X11. This will make you to upgrade your MB next year even if you play games once in while.

So, in nutshell, what I meant to say, don't buy 6 core now. wait for another 6 month if you are not in hurry and market will get stable. you will have more choices than X6 and 980.

As for now I have just upgraded my RAM to 2GB and idea worked out. If you have $500 to spend now, then buy a max compatible RAM and get faster. no need for 6 core cpu.

this is what I had built last month

I7930
MSI X58 PRO E
16 GB DDR3
1 TB SATA
Nvidia GTX 460
CPU cooler
Cooler master case


Let me know if you any doubts

Actually, I would say that the OP has a pretty good handle on the 860/930 situation. First. QPI vs. DMI doesn't matter at all until you start talking about multi-socket systems. Second, triple-channel memory will make a bit of a difference (5% in the most generous real-world benchmarks), but it will certainly not "vanish [his] needs of a 6 core". I agree with the OP's assessment that the Socket 1366 platform is not worth the additional cost.

 

[BasariStudios]

Hello all again and thank you all since all of you make sense and everyting you said is helpfull.

Fishfood: Actually i dont smoke Weed, i just liked the quote and added everywhere...lol.

ItsmeVader: You probably make sense the most and i thank you...but i dont know about the 930
one, to me personally doesnt make sense few months down the road to throw another 500$
to get a 6 Coe CPU...that wat, there is no need for me to go FutureProof on RAM and MoBo.
Now the CPUs themselfs is another story on which we'll all have different opinions, i dont know,
i still think the 860 is better option for me which at the same time cuts another 300$ of the final
due to other cheaper components, raising to 930 raises the price for Mobo and RAM too but
i personally dont think i will personally see that much difference in performance. And i cannot
wait for a certain time or prices going down, the computer i need has to be done soon since i
already have my Mac up for sale and then i am stuck with no comp. I do have a nice HP
bussines Notebook and its very powerfull but not for what i need. I am planing to use this
machine for around 2 years, nothing more and i think it will do fine for that time and THEN
actually get up to date with technology again which by the time there might be 8 physical cores.

BTRY: Yes, you are completely right but it was just so much to explain...lol...

Mfenn: I am already buying the OEM version, first i thought to have retail so i can use their
Support but from experience i know they dont do nothing, just a waste of money, i can prolly
get more help on the forums then from MS itself. And also i dont think i will need help with the
OS itself, i am not familiar with PC hardware but any Windoze i know very well.
I want you to talk to me about RAM/G.Skill. It is a lot cheaper and makes sense but bere in
mind that RAM is my MOST IMPORTANT component, more then CPU itself, AUDIO relies
heavilly on RAM. 4 GB for now will be enough for me and if i can go G.Skill i can actually do
4 of thise modules and have 8 GB inside, but if you have any experience tell me about them
some more Perf/Stability wise compared to the CA XMP i had earlier cuz this is something i
will defenitely consider, on 8GB total cuts down over 100$ compared to CA modules.
GFX card is not a problem for me to get more expensive, i will pay even 300 for a good GFX
but we are not advised to do so since interferes with Audio hardware and also ATI is not a
good option for me. If i look at something better at nVGA most of the stronger ones are all
active and sound like Tractors so i still think this is my best choice, i have only 512 MB in my
Mac and performs very well, even Gaming...i dont know. As for my Mac...you really think so?
I wish you are right...saying that this new system it will blow the Socks of my current Mac.
The HDDs price wise i am not worried but, originally i wanted to get 2 Baraccudas but they
are Loud as Hell...with WD i kinda have BAD experience but i have to go with them i guess.
They are silent and fast and also the 64MB Cache is important for me since after RAM HDD
performance is also very impotant to me, again, maybe more then CPU. Anything that has
to do with ProAudio work relies on space, which is both, RAM and CPU. Plugins have to do
more with CPU and RAM together while Audio itself only RAM and HDD.

So i guess the more debatable things now are CASE/COOLING/RAM/PSU which for me are
the hardest to actually choose what to get. If i keep the current PSU/COOLER then it gets
easier, only RAM and Case but the Case: can a MidTower do for this whole setup?

Thank you all!

 

[BasariStudios]

And one other thing...we never said anything bout the MoBo...lol. The whole Rig is now
down to 1, 172.89$ minus Case and i have 40$ rebate out of the whole thing and also
18.00$ Shipping:

LITE-ON CD/DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model iHAS124-04 - OEM
Item #: N82E16827106289 $19.99

Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822136320 $69.99

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1501FASS 1.5TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Item #: N82E16822136592 $109.99

ASUS ENGT240 Silent/DI/1GD3 GeForce GT 240 1GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card
Item #: N82E16814121369 $104.99

SeaSonic M12II 620 Bronze 620W ATX12V V2.3 / EPS 12V V2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
Item #: N82E16817151095 $99.99

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBNQ
Item #: N82E16820231193 $107.99

ASUS P7P55D-E LX LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Item #: N82E16813131634 $149.99

Intel Core i7-860 Lynnfield 2.8GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I7860
Item #: N82E16819115214 $279.99

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
Item #: N82E16832116754 $99.99

Noctua NH-U12P SE2 120mm SSO CPU Cooler
Item #: N82E16835608014 $69.99

 

[mfenn]

Mfenn: I am already buying the OEM version, first i thought to have retail so i can use their
Support but from experience i know they dont do nothing, just a waste of money, i can prolly
get more help on the forums then from MS itself. And also i dont think i will need help with the
OS itself, i am not familiar with PC hardware but any Windoze i know very well.
I want you to talk to me about RAM/G.Skill. It is a lot cheaper and makes sense but bere in
mind that RAM is my MOST IMPORTANT component, more then CPU itself, AUDIO relies
heavilly on RAM. 4 GB for now will be enough for me and if i can go G.Skill i can actually do
4 of thise modules and have 8 GB inside, but if you have any experience tell me about them
some more Perf/Stability wise compared to the CA XMP i had earlier cuz this is something i
will defenitely consider, on 8GB total cuts down over 100$ compared to CA modules.
GFX card is not a problem for me to get more expensive, i will pay even 300 for a good GFX
but we are not advised to do so since interferes with Audio hardware and also ATI is not a
good option for me. If i look at something better at nVGA most of the stronger ones are all
active and sound like Tractors so i still think this is my best choice, i have only 512 MB in my
Mac and performs very well, even Gaming...i dont know. As for my Mac...you really think so?
I wish you are right...saying that this new system it will blow the Socks of my current Mac.
The HDDs price wise i am not worried but, originally i wanted to get 2 Baraccudas but they
are Loud as Hell...with WD i kinda have BAD experience but i have to go with them i guess.
They are silent and fast and also the 64MB Cache is important for me since after RAM HDD
performance is also very impotant to me, again, maybe more then CPU. Anything that has
to do with ProAudio work relies on space, which is both, RAM and CPU. Plugins have to do
more with CPU and RAM together while Audio itself only RAM and HDD.

So i guess the more debatable things now are CASE/COOLING/RAM/PSU which for me are
the hardest to actually choose what to get. If i keep the current PSU/COOLER then it gets
easier, only RAM and Case but the Case: can a MidTower do for this whole setup?

Thank you all!

Sorry, I am having a really hard time understanding what you are trying to say. Try organizing your thoughts into paragraphs like I am doing. Anyway, I will try to respond point by point.

The G.Skill is good RAM. There is no sense in paying for expensive memory just to run at stock clocks.

The Radeon 5000 series is well known for being very quiet, but you are correct that a passively-cooler GPU will be the quietest of them all.

I think you may have been listening to Apple's marketing dept. a little too much. Apple hasn't used Power PC chips since what, 06? Trust me, an 860 is a ridiculous amount faster than SMP 2.7GHz PPC.

You say you have had bad experiences with WD, but are putting two of their drives into your current build? Did I misunderstand you? Anyway, the amount cache on the HDD doesn't affect performance at all. 64MB is still pathetically small compared to the amount of data that you're reading and writing. That's even assuming that you have high locality of reference (lots of cache hits), which is not the case for data intensive workloads (like what you're doing). If you want a truly fast storage subsystem, you need to go with an SSD like the Intel X25-M for OS and applications.

Yes, a midtower like the Antec Three Hundred will hold all of the components just fine.

 

[BasariStudios]

Hi Fenn,
i am sorry, i mixed everything up since the forst post but now since its narrowed down its
easier to go on with paragraphs and i'll ask the questions direct if someone will answer:

1. Yes, it sounds Contradicting, having problems with WD and going back to them, the
reason is i always thought they are little quieter then others...my own personal experience
was never applied Generally to WD. The question is, if i get the Samsungs F3 would i lose
a lot of the performance and actually get a lot louder on Noise?
The problem with Samsung is i dont seem to find them in the 1.5 TB range which i want.
What about this 2 as a substitution, it also saves me like 40-50$ over the WDs:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822152175
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822152181
SSD is not an option for me, they are too small and expensive, once i set this whole thing
up and look at the final price i might get a 160GB SSD instead of the first HDD to run the
OS on it, i will probably get a faster BootUp time and a lil better performance, while quiet.

2. The Antec 300 130$ cheaper then the other i originally planed to get but there is 2
questions...how silent would this be compared to the SilverStone FT01 as someone said
the FT01 even comes SoundProfed inside and also Vibration Dampenings for the HDD?
It is a big difference in the money and this one is definetely tempting...on the Antec300
i see 2 Fans on Front, 1 on Side, 1 on Top and of course 1 on probably on the back...
5 Fans? Do the all have to be installed? How much Noise would come out of it?
I am getting this CPU Cooler:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835608014
Now i dont know if this comes with any extra Fan or not, if i get the above case at the
end, how many more Fans do i need and would this do it?:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-CPC-_-NA-_-NA

3. RAM, running the G.Skill at stock speed, which i already decided to go with the ones
you advised me, would i still be able to crank them up at least a little afterwards?

Right now i guess i should leave everything else the same except these 3 points i brought
up in this post unless...things change based on these 3 points as in the case of getting
the A300 case which requires 5 Fans and then the need for more Fans or other Cooler.
I guess these are the last 3 points do be debatable and i guess that would be it.

Thank you!

 

[mfenn]

Hi Fenn,
i am sorry, i mixed everything up since the forst post but now since its narrowed down its
easier to go on with paragraphs and i'll ask the questions direct if someone will answer:

1. Yes, it sounds Contradicting, having problems with WD and going back to them, the
reason is i always thought they are little quieter then others...my own personal experience
was never applied Generally to WD. The question is, if i get the Samsungs F3 would i lose
a lot of the performance and actually get a lot louder on Noise?
The problem with Samsung is i dont seem to find them in the 1.5 TB range which i want.
What about this 2 as a substitution, it also saves me like 40-50$ over the WDs:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822152175
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822152181
SSD is not an option for me, they are too small and expensive, once i set this whole thing
up and look at the final price i might get a 160GB SSD instead of the first HDD to run the
OS on it, i will probably get a faster BootUp time and a lil better performance, while quiet.

2. The Antec 300 130$ cheaper then the other i originally planed to get but there is 2
questions...how silent would this be compared to the SilverStone FT01 as someone said
the FT01 even comes SoundProfed inside and also Vibration Dampenings for the HDD?
It is a big difference in the money and this one is definetely tempting...on the Antec300
i see 2 Fans on Front, 1 on Side, 1 on Top and of course 1 on probably on the back...
5 Fans? Do the all have to be installed? How much Noise would come out of it?
I am getting this CPU Cooler:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835608014
Now i dont know if this comes with any extra Fan or not, if i get the above case at the
end, how many more Fans do i need and would this do it?:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-CPC-_-NA-_-NA

3. RAM, running the G.Skill at stock speed, which i already decided to go with the ones
you advised me, would i still be able to crank them up at least a little afterwards?

Right now i guess i should leave everything else the same except these 3 points i brought
up in this post unless...things change based on these 3 points as in the case of getting
the A300 case which requires 5 Fans and then the need for more Fans or other Cooler.
I guess these are the last 3 points do be debatable and i guess that would be it.

Thank you!

Thanks, I can follow you a lot better now. To answer your questions:

1. Your links to the HDD are messed up, but I'm assuming that you are linking to the 1TB Samsung F3s. The F3 is a very good drive, just as fast and as quiet as a WD Black, only a little cheaper. Two of those will give you the same final capacity as before, it's just arranged a little differently.

2. The Silverstone is the nicer and quieter case, no doubt about it. It's really up to you as to whether or not it is worth the extra money. The Three Hundred comes with 2 fans (1 front, 1 back) but you can change these out. You don't need to put fans in every mounting position. If you swap out those the front and back fans with the Noctuas you linked, you will have a very quiet case!

3. The G.Skill will clock up a bit, but since motherboards nowadays come with so many memory dividers, you don't need to overclock the RAM much at all to get a very nice OC on the CPU.

You're welcome!

 

[BasariStudios]

Ok now first lets laugh a little, these are my current Mac's Specs:
Machine Name: Power Mac G5
Machine Model: PowerMac7,3
CPU Type: PowerPC G5 (3.1)
Number Of CPUs: 2
CPU Speed: 2.7 GHz
L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB
Memory: 2 GB
Bus Speed: 1.35 GHz
ATI Radeon 9650:
Chipset Model: ATY,RV351
Type: Display
Bus: AGP
Slot: SLOT-1
VRAM (Total): 256 MB
Vendor: ATI (0x1002) LOL!

Now, lets go on, this is the whole List now:



1. The HDDs are the SpinPoints, F3 7200 RPM and 1 is 1TB and 1 is 500GB, it sux, i need one
at 1.5 TB but i guess i can live with it. Just wondering, would 100GB partition on the 500GB be
enough for the OS? And i dont mean just the OS itself but all kinds of applications and stuff,
Databases would go to the 1 TB. It would be nice if someone points to a nice 1.5 TB HDD as
a secondary instead of this 1 TB. The reason is that i have over 1.5 TB of Media, which most of
it would go on the Secondary HDD, a little later i will probably add around 300GB SSD just for
Audio files but not for now, probably in a few months.

2. (This would be more complicated) The SilverStone is nice but way more expensive then your
choice...the Noctua Cooler i am getting i guess comes with already 2 Fans or is it just the Cooler?
It wont say nothig in there. I personally wont mind getting 2-3 of those Fans i linked before and
mount them at crucial positions out of those 5 Mounts on the A300. Maybe do a Push/Pull wth
those? Getting the Antec 300, what exactly would i need besides the Noctua NH-U12P SE2?
If i throw the Stock Fans away.

If i also get some HDD accessories like Vibration/Noise Dampening things...any advantage in
having those as Noise/Performance wise on the HDDs?

I think we've dealt with the RAM thing enough and i think those would work for me,
unless problems arise later on on deffective parts or anything...i can exchange.

Bare in mind that my Mac sounds like a Tractor.


Thank you!

 

[mfenn]

1. The HDDs are the SpinPoints, F3 7200 RPM and 1 is 1TB and 1 is 500GB, it sux, i need one
at 1.5 TB but i guess i can live with it. Just wondering, would 100GB partition on the 500GB be
enough for the OS? And i dont mean just the OS itself but all kinds of applications and stuff,
Databases would go to the 1 TB. It would be nice if someone points to a nice 1.5 TB HDD as
a secondary instead of this 1 TB. The reason is that i have over 1.5 TB of Media, which most of
it would go on the Secondary HDD, a little later i will probably add around 300GB SSD just for
Audio files but not for now, probably in a few months.

2. (This would be more complicated) The SilverStone is nice but way more expensive then your
choice...the Noctua Cooler i am getting i guess comes with already 2 Fans or is it just the Cooler?
It wont say nothig in there. I personally wont mind getting 2-3 of those Fans i linked before and
mount them at crucial positions out of those 5 Mounts on the A300. Maybe do a Push/Pull wth
those? Getting the Antec 300, what exactly would i need besides the Noctua NH-U12P SE2?
If i throw the Stock Fans away.

If i also get some HDD accessories like Vibration/Noise Dampening things...any advantage in
having those as Noise/Performance wise on the HDDs?

I think we've dealt with the RAM thing enough and i think those would work for me,
unless problems arise later on on deffective parts or anything...i can exchange.

Bare in mind that my Mac sounds like a Tractor.


Thank you!

1. You can also look at the 2TB drives, there is an F3EG 2TB that would be a nice drive for media.

2. The U12P comes with everything that is pictured (including the 2 fans). One nice thing about Newegg is that they take a picture of everything that comes in the box.

As far as dampening the HDD noise, yes there are plenty of ways to do that. I would advise trying these drives out though because I think you will be pleasantly surprised coming from the old drives in your Mac.

 

[BasariStudios]

Thanks...the HDD's i already figured something out, i'll get and eSATA for all kinds of
Media and use the 1TB Internal for more delicate needs. As you said, lets try them first
then i'll look for options, something to damplen vibration would be nice anyways for
probably better protection of the Drives itself, regardless of Noise.

The Noctua...then i dont really have to order the extra 2 Fans if thise one comes with
2 already...or i can just get 1 more and have 3 Noctua if i get this case...mount them
nicely at the best spots and have a GO! As it appears this Case has 5 Fan Mounts,
have on on front, one on back and one on top, leave the side alone or if there is any
better configuration...would they get noisies? ... 3 Fans.

Should i get that A300 Case and one of these extra Fans?
Any advantage/disadvantage of getting an extra Fan?

Thanks

 

[mfenn]

Thanks...the HDD's i already figured something out, i'll get and eSATA for all kinds of
Media and use the 1TB Internal for more delicate needs. As you said, lets try them first
then i'll look for options, something to damplen vibration would be nice anyways for
probably better protection of the Drives itself, regardless of Noise.

The Noctua...then i dont really have to order the extra 2 Fans if thise one comes with
2 already...or i can just get 1 more and have 3 Noctua if i get this case...mount them
nicely at the best spots and have a GO! As it appears this Case has 5 Fan Mounts,
have on on front, one on back and one on top, leave the side alone or if there is any
better configuration...would they get noisies? ... 3 Fans.

Should i get that A300 Case and one of these extra Fans?
Any advantage/disadvantage of getting an extra Fan?

Thanks

Sounds like a plan on the drives.

What you want to do with the fans (one on front, back, top) is also a good plan. Remember that the two fans that come with the CPU cooler are meant to be mounted to the cooler itself, not to the case.

 

[BasariStudios]

Can you take a look at these 2 fans?
One can actually go lowest to 500RPMs while the other to 600 RPMs:
http://www.noctua.at/main.php?show=which_fan&lng=en
The NF-S12B actually says for Low Noise priority...they are almost same price,
would one be better then the other? And actually the NF-S12B for Case Ventilation
and not the NF-P12, its says CPU Cooler as first application.
And even them, there is 2 different versions:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...F-S12B&x=0&y=0

After i decide on Fans...i dont know anything about Push/Pull and where best
to place them...but that still deppends on which Case is final...we'll see.

I was just thinking, this Case comes with 4 Fans already on it, the Top is 140mm
which none of my sellections would fit...should i try and build it only on StockFans
first, only using Noctua for the CPU and then see how Loud these fans are...
then take it from there, do i make sense? Then buy later if anything, i dont know,
me being used to this Mac Tractors that might be a lot quieter then my Paranoia:
http://www.acoustiproducts.us/en/quiet-pc-fans.asp
http://www.acoustiproducts.us/en/acoustipack.asp
http://www.bestcovery.com/nzxt-whisper-black-full-tower-silent-computer-case?whybest=5&best=35618
http://www.bestcovery.com/antec-sonata-elite-case?whybest=4&best=35618
I think i like the Sonata the Best...and the 300 too but this one might be quieter.

 

[mfenn]

Can you take a look at these 2 fans?
One can actually go lowest to 500RPMs while the other to 600 RPMs:
http://www.noctua.at/main.php?show=which_fan&lng=en
The NF-S12B actually says for Low Noise priority...they are almost same price,
would one be better then the other? And actually the NF-S12B for Case Ventilation
and not the NF-P12, its says CPU Cooler as first application.
And even them, there is 2 different versions:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...F-S12B&x=0&y=0

After i decide on Fans...i dont know anything about Push/Pull and where best
to place them...but that still deppends on which Case is final...we'll see.

I was just thinking, this Case comes with 4 Fans already on it, the Top is 140mm
which none of my sellections would fit...should i try and build it only on StockFans
first, only using Noctua for the CPU and then see how Loud these fans are...
then take it from there, do i make sense? Then buy later if anything, i dont know,
me being used to this Mac Tractors that might be a lot quieter then my Paranoia:
http://www.acoustiproducts.us/en/quiet-pc-fans.asp
http://www.acoustiproducts.us/en/acoustipack.asp
http://www.bestcovery.com/nzxt-whisper-black-full-tower-silent-computer-case?whybest=5&best=35618
http://www.bestcovery.com/antec-sonata-elite-case?whybest=4&best=35618
I think i like the Sonata the Best...and the 300 too but this one might be quieter.

Just look at the dB figures. Noctua's definition if quiet is really darn quiet. And don't forget that they come with little adapters so that you can adjust the noise level to your preferences. That being said, any of the Noctua fans would be good although I would recommend using the P12's that come with the cooler on the cooler itself.

Noctua also makes 140mm fans.

The Sonata is quieter than the Three Hundred, but I would worry about the heat level if you plan to OC in a Sonata.

 

[BasariStudios]

Hello, yes, the Sonata might be worying Temp wise, it seems pretty closed from
all over with no airflow. And after reading a lot last night i have to use the P12s,
they just make more sense, the 2 on the Cooler would be used there and i will
just get the extra 2 PA12's. I will try to use the Stock 140mm on Top and lets
see if my neighbors can hear it...if they can then i'll exhange it...lol