(another) Can you help me with my computer (question)?

[Gagabiji]

First here are my specs:

AthlonXP 1700+
Sapphire 9800 Pro
1024GB Kingston PC2700 Value Ram
Maxtor DM8+ 40GB
MSI K7N2 Delta
Hercules Fortissimo 7.1
CDROM 52x
Antec TruePower 330w

My computer play's games so slow it's not funny (well...this has never been funny). I don't know how to test office apps, but if you know how to show fps for Microsoft Word, please, i'm all ears. Anyway I'm playing americas army, and in sandstorm I get around 40 fps I supposed because I can't really see very far) average...for all other maps I get about 30 and under. Battefield Vietnam also plays slow...It sometimes goes beyond 40, but doesn't happen very often. I might add that changing detail settings doesn't make any difference, from max details to rock bottom, doesn't do a thing, same goes for res. I have tried the Cat 4.3s and the 3.7s (which I am currently using), no change. While on the subject of drivers, after I installed the 3.7s, booting up I had just finnished with the windows loading screen when it just went black like it was getting ready to load the login screen, but just sat there blank. I have also just done a fresh re-install of windows XP Pro. If any of you can help me PLEASE!

-SirDude


EDIT: My TruePower only puts out 11.6xv on the +12v rail. Is this an issue since the 9800 Pro taking too much voltage out of that rail and causing an instability?

 

[InlineFive]

This is an interesting problem. Have you tried changing PSUs with another system (preferable higher powered)? Do any other 3D-based programs run slowly?

-Por

 

[Serp86]

you HAVE CONNECTED the 9800Pro's extra power connector right?

 

[jdogg707]

Is your 1700+ overclocked or sitting stock? If it is not overclocked that may be your slowdown for FPS. For office apps, about the only thing that will help that is more memory bandwidth and a faster hard drive.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Serp86
you HAVE CONNECTED the 9800Pro's extra power connector right?

I don't have mine hooked up, and it works fine.


Tom

 

[Lyfer]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Serp86
you HAVE CONNECTED the 9800Pro's extra power connector right?

I don't have mine hooked up, and it works fine.


Tom

Why wouldn't you?

 

[Cheetah8799]

That's a mighty slow hard drive. Might help your game load times to upgrade, but not the actual playing speed.

1700+ cpu should be able to play BFV just fine.

I guess I'm stumped. Unless if you have some junk spyware running in the background or something. You could try running 3DMark and Aquamark and comparing your scores with what other people get with similar systems.

 

[Gagabiji]

First off, thanks for the help and replys! As for my 1700, no, everything in my system is at stock settings. I'm sorry, I probably should have told you all that first.

HAHAHAHAH! Yes, of I did plug in the extra power conector, I'm not THAT much of an idiot lol.

Well, the hard thing with spy ware is...just a couple day's ago I did a wipe of the whole thing, re-installed windows, and did it again after I got this new MOBO and video card.

I'll run 3DMark03 and Aquamark3 and tell you what I get. Again thanks for the help!

OK, in 3DMark03 I got 5235. I have yet to download aquamark3.
Aquamark 3 I got 31,596.

 

[jdogg707]

Originally posted by: SirDude
First off, thanks for the help and replys! As for my 1700, no, everything in my system is at stock settings. I'm sorry, I probably should have told you all that first.

HAHAHAHAH! Yes, of I did plug in the extra power conector, I'm not THAT much of an idiot lol.

Well, the hard thing with spy ware is...just a couple day's ago I did a wipe of the whole thing, re-installed windows, and did it again after I got this new MOBO and video card.

I'll run 3DMark03 and Aquamark3 and tell you what I get. Again thanks for the help!

OK, in 3DMark03 I got 5235. I have yet to download aquamark3.
Aquamark 3 I got 31,596.

I'm saying your CPU is the culprit, I would invest in a faster hard drive (Possibly a Raptor if you do not need anymore space, something like an 80GB Western Digital SE would be good for adding more space and giving a performance boost, albiet not as high as the Raptor)/2800+ Athlon XP (If you are staying stock, if you overclock the mobile 2500+ would be the one to go with), that should give you a nice performance boost. On the system in my sig. I get 6300 3DMark's and 45,500 on Aquamark 3. Since we have the same video card, it is the combination of a faster CPU and Higher Memory Bandwidth that is holding you back.

 

[Gagabiji]

Originally posted by: jdogg707

Originally posted by: SirDude
First off, thanks for the help and replys! As for my 1700, no, everything in my system is at stock settings. I'm sorry, I probably should have told you all that first.

HAHAHAHAH! Yes, of I did plug in the extra power conector, I'm not THAT much of an idiot lol.

Well, the hard thing with spy ware is...just a couple day's ago I did a wipe of the whole thing, re-installed windows, and did it again after I got this new MOBO and video card.

I'll run 3DMark03 and Aquamark3 and tell you what I get. Again thanks for the help!

OK, in 3DMark03 I got 5235. I have yet to download aquamark3.
Aquamark 3 I got 31,596.

I'm saying your CPU is the culprit, I would invest in a faster hard drive (Possibly a Raptor if you do not need anymore space, something like an 80GB Western Digital SE would be good for adding more space and giving a performance boost, albiet not as high as the Raptor)/2800+ Athlon XP (If you are staying stock, if you overclock the mobile 2500+ would be the one to go with), that should give you a nice performance boost. On the system in my sig. I get 6300 3DMark's and 45,500 on Aquamark 3. Since we have the same video card, it is the combination of a faster CPU and Higher Memory Bandwidth that is holding you back.

Well then why doesn't lowering the Res and lowering details to rock bottom make any difference.

 

[jdogg707]

Originally posted by: SirDude

Originally posted by: jdogg707

Originally posted by: SirDude
First off, thanks for the help and replys! As for my 1700, no, everything in my system is at stock settings. I'm sorry, I probably should have told you all that first.

HAHAHAHAH! Yes, of I did plug in the extra power conector, I'm not THAT much of an idiot lol.

Well, the hard thing with spy ware is...just a couple day's ago I did a wipe of the whole thing, re-installed windows, and did it again after I got this new MOBO and video card.

I'll run 3DMark03 and Aquamark3 and tell you what I get. Again thanks for the help!

OK, in 3DMark03 I got 5235. I have yet to download aquamark3.
Aquamark 3 I got 31,596.

I'm saying your CPU is the culprit, I would invest in a faster hard drive (Possibly a Raptor if you do not need anymore space, something like an 80GB Western Digital SE would be good for adding more space and giving a performance boost, albiet not as high as the Raptor)/2800+ Athlon XP (If you are staying stock, if you overclock the mobile 2500+ would be the one to go with), that should give you a nice performance boost. On the system in my sig. I get 6300 3DMark's and 45,500 on Aquamark 3. Since we have the same video card, it is the combination of a faster CPU and Higher Memory Bandwidth that is holding you back.

Well then why doesn't lowering the Res and lowering details to rock bottom make any difference.

What are your temps like, it could be an overheating issue?

 

[Gagabiji]

Originally posted by: jdogg707

Originally posted by: SirDude

Originally posted by: jdogg707

Originally posted by: SirDude
First off, thanks for the help and replys! As for my 1700, no, everything in my system is at stock settings. I'm sorry, I probably should have told you all that first.

HAHAHAHAH! Yes, of I did plug in the extra power conector, I'm not THAT much of an idiot lol.

Well, the hard thing with spy ware is...just a couple day's ago I did a wipe of the whole thing, re-installed windows, and did it again after I got this new MOBO and video card.

I'll run 3DMark03 and Aquamark3 and tell you what I get. Again thanks for the help!

OK, in 3DMark03 I got 5235. I have yet to download aquamark3.
Aquamark 3 I got 31,596.

I'm saying your CPU is the culprit, I would invest in a faster hard drive (Possibly a Raptor if you do not need anymore space, something like an 80GB Western Digital SE would be good for adding more space and giving a performance boost, albiet not as high as the Raptor)/2800+ Athlon XP (If you are staying stock, if you overclock the mobile 2500+ would be the one to go with), that should give you a nice performance boost. On the system in my sig. I get 6300 3DMark's and 45,500 on Aquamark 3. Since we have the same video card, it is the combination of a faster CPU and Higher Memory Bandwidth that is holding you back.

Well then why doesn't lowering the Res and lowering details to rock bottom make any difference.

What are your temps like, it could be an overheating issue?

That's what I thought at first...so I cut 4 80mm holes in the side of my case and mounted fans there. I play right now at the following settings: 1280x1024, details normal and 16x AF. I can lower EVERYTHING (resolution, details, etc.) as low as it goes and I don't get a performance boost, so I don't think it's the video card.

 

[phreaqe]

This is a long shot but....what order sis you install the drivers for you computer after you formatted. i had a problem simaler to yours and i installed my graphics card drivers before i installed the motherboard drivers(stupid me). all my games would run like crap if they ran at all. i reformatted and installed my motherboard drivers before i installed the graphics drivers. it might work. it is worth a shot.

 

[Gagabiji]

Originally posted by: phreaqe
This is a long shot but....what order sis you install the drivers for you computer after you formatted. i had a problem simaler to yours and i installed my graphics card drivers before i installed the motherboard drivers(stupid me). all my games would run like crap if they ran at all. i reformatted and installed my motherboard drivers before i installed the graphics drivers. it might work. it is worth a shot.

Here's the order im doing things

install WindowsXP > SP1 > DX9.0b > all updates excluding drivers > nForce System Drivers > ATI drivers (both catalyst and omega)



-SirDude

 

[jdogg707]

Originally posted by: SirDude

Originally posted by: phreaqe
This is a long shot but....what order sis you install the drivers for you computer after you formatted. i had a problem simaler to yours and i installed my graphics card drivers before i installed the motherboard drivers(stupid me). all my games would run like crap if they ran at all. i reformatted and installed my motherboard drivers before i installed the graphics drivers. it might work. it is worth a shot.

Here's the order im doing things

install WindowsXP > SP1 > DX9.0b > all updates excluding drivers > nForce System Drivers > ATI drivers (both catalyst and omega)



-SirDude

I've always done:

XP > SP1 > nForce2 Drivers > DX 9.0b > Updates > Catalyst Drivers

If you are using both the Omega and the Catalyst, you may want to try only using the Catalyst and see if that helps.

 

[Gagabiji]

Originally posted by: jdogg707

Originally posted by: SirDude

Originally posted by: phreaqe
This is a long shot but....what order sis you install the drivers for you computer after you formatted. i had a problem simaler to yours and i installed my graphics card drivers before i installed the motherboard drivers(stupid me). all my games would run like crap if they ran at all. i reformatted and installed my motherboard drivers before i installed the graphics drivers. it might work. it is worth a shot.

Here's the order im doing things

install WindowsXP > SP1 > DX9.0b > all updates excluding drivers > nForce System Drivers > ATI drivers (both catalyst and omega)



-SirDude

I've always done:

XP > SP1 > nForce2 Drivers > DX 9.0b > Updates > Catalyst Drivers

If you are using both the Omega and the Catalyst, you may want to try only using the Catalyst and see if that helps.

Well I just reformated my hard drive so i'll try things in that order.

-SirDude

 

[Gagabiji]

Strange, in AA Turning up the details gave me a performace BOOST, as opposed to a decrease. Also turning on 16xAF doesn't make any difference, niether does lowering the resolution.