Another American family murdered by a known criminal illegal.

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San Francisco's political establishment has long prided itself on providing a haven for illegal immigrants. Mayor Gavin Newsom even launched a taxpayer-funded $83,000 "public awareness campaign" earlier this year assuring illegal immigrants that the "sanctuary city" by the bay was in their court.

And indeed it is. Under the city's 1989 voter-approved sanctuary ordinance, police officers and other city employees are prohibited from inquiring into immigration status. In addition, the city will not direct municipal funds or employees towards assisting federal immigration enforcement, unless such assistance is required by federal or state law or a warrant.

No doubt such protections warm the heart of the city's liberal leadership. But San Francisco's status as a sanctuary city is having unintended consequences.

The brutal and senseless murder last month of Tony Bologna and his sons Michael, 20, and Matthew, 16, at the hands of Edwin Ramos, a native of El Salvador and known member of the Mara Salvatrucha (MS-13) street gang, was a reminder that inviting illegal activity can turn deadly. The Bolognas were on their way back from a family picnic when they inadvertently blocked Ramos' car from making a left turn in the Excelsior district. When Bologna politely backed up to let the other car past, Ramos responded by opening fire and killing all three passengers. Ramos has been charged with three counts of murder, with the added penalty of street-gang involvement.

So far, much of the outcry surrounding the case has centered on San Francisco district attorney Kamala Harris' policy of not seeking the death penalty, in this case, against the wishes of widow, Danielle Bologna. But in the process, Ramos' immigration status has largely been overlooked. Ramos' original lawyer, Joseph O'Sullivan, claimed that his client was in the country legally and applying for permanent residence, but federal immigration authorities insist otherwise and promise to deport Ramos if he is convicted. O'Sullivan has since asked to be removed from the case, claiming a connection via a previous client. Thus, he has never had to explain his assertions regarding Ramos' immigration status.

This certainly wasn't Ramos' first brush with the law. He was booked both on felony weapons charges and for being a member of a criminal street gang earlier this year, but escaped prosecution for lack of evidence. However, as reported by the San Francisco Chronicle, the San Francisco Police Department "cited 'numerous documented contacts' that officers had with Ramos and [his companion] Lopez, and said both were active members of the MS-13 street gang.'" But thanks to San Francisco's sanctuary city status, instead of being reported to federal immigration authorities and deported, Ramos was allowed continue to roam the streets of San Francisco until his arrest for the Bologna killings.

San Francisco's sanctuary policy has also taken a statewide toll. While adult illegal immigrant felons are not protected by the ordinance, no such stipulation exists for juvenile offenders, and city officials have used that loophole to dump the problem onto other counties. Earlier this month, San Bernardino County officials threatened to sue the city of San Francisco for sending a group of Honduran, illegal immigrant, juvenile crack dealers to group homes in the city of Yucaipa without notification. Eight of them simply walked away from the unsecured group homes and only one has been recaptured. Officials later acknowledged that this wasn't the first time San Francisco had unloaded criminal illegal immigrants onto San Bernardino County. In fact, Yucaipa has seen a rise in violent crime in accordance with the influx of foreign offenders to its group homes in recent years.

This time around, the outcry from San Bernardino officials caused Mayor Newsom to alter the city's approach to juvenile offenders. No doubt, Newsom's interest in running for governor of California, which he announced just before the controversy erupted, influenced his decision. While Newsom may find a sympathetic audience in San Francisco to his former commitment to sanctuary protections for illegal immigrants, it could prove a liability on the statewide level.

Even on a local level, there's some indication that people are getting fed up with the city's insistence on emphasizing ideology over public safety. In a local CBS poll, 79 percent of respondents agreed that San Francisco should "turn over convicted illegal immigrants for deportation."

Monetary concerns are another factor. It doesn't help that Mayor Newsom and other officials bemoan the city's $338 million budget deficit, even as funds continue to pour into sustaining San Francisco's sanctuary city policies. San Francisco has spent millions of dollars housing juvenile, illegal immigrant offenders and hundreds of thousands of dollars flying them back to their countries of origin in recent years, instead of turning them over to federal immigration authorities as federal law requires. In the wake of the furor over the Honduran case and federal authorities' demand that San Francisco end the flights, the city started housing some of the dealers in youth rehabilitation centers, costing taxpayers $7,000 per month, per person.

Then there's San Francisco Supervisor and State Assembly candidate Tom Ammiano's brilliant plan to provide municipal identification cards to those who either cannot or will not obtain a state-issued driver's license ? or in other words, illegal immigrants. Set to go into effect next month, the ID program could cost up to $2.86 million in the first three years, according to a County Clerk estimate. As it turns out, Newsom's aforementioned $83,000 taxpayer-funded love letter to illegal immigrants was just the icing on the cake.

Supporters of San Francisco's sanctuary city policies, which include members of the local faith community who inspired the original ordinance, argue that the current approach is the only humane solution. In its 2007 pledge, the New Sanctuary Movement, describing immigration raids, stated that "We cannot in good conscience ignore such suffering and injustice." But where is the compassion for the injustice inflicted upon American citizens? Others argue that juvenile illegal immigrants deserve special treatment because they are minors. But this ignores the fact that criminal illegal immigrants and the drug cartels for whom some of them work, are aware of San Francisco's former sanctuary loophole and have taken to falsely claiming juvenile status as a result. Still, others argue that police departments need to work with illegal immigrants in the community in order to effectively tackle crime and that fears of deportation get in the way. But extending the current, chaotic state of affairs will only lead to further crime and misery, even for those within such communities.

While San Francisco's sanctuary city ordinance may have been well-intentioned, it has resulted in an untenable and anarchic situation that is taking its toll on city residents and surrounding counties alike. Providing sanctuary for law-breakers at the expense of law-abiding citizens is neither a compassionate nor a moral approach. The issue is not one of callousness towards illegal immigrants, but rather, the duty owed American citizens by their government. In some respects, every layer of the government has failed this test, but in this case, it's the local government that is absconding on its duties. And all San Francisco officials can seem to offer up is more of the same.

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I hope the family can sue the hell out of the city for protecting Illegals, especially the ones that are known to be violent. The Federal government needs to cut funding to all sanctuary cities.
 

DukeN

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Where did you learn your English you twerp, go back to <insert foreign country here>. You not known anything.
 

Socio

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I wish there was a way to just cut San Francisco out of California, float it down and connect it to the bottom of Baja California because that?s a more fitting place for it. It?s a festering boil on the butt of America and does not deserve to be part of the American anatotomy.
 

OrByte

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San Francisco is a great city. When I lived on the east coast that was the city I missed the most.

This "sanctuary city" business though is a bad idea. Local government should not be proclaiming any safe haven to illegal immigrants.
 

babylon5

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SF attitude is a reflection of illegal problem in general - ignore the negative side, be as politically correct as possible until it gets worst like someone died from it, and meanwhile getting into more debt at the same time. Beautiful.
 

GoingUp

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Just another shining example of how out of touch San Fran is with reality. They're too busy worrying about renaming sewage plants. Maybe they should worry about their shitty city instead.
 

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San Fran is a debauched degenerate city. With its support for criminals, its creation of epidemics, its auto-immune like attacks on the virtues of human nature and its impudent, self-absorbed attitude I am sure the future of San Fran is going to be a whole lot bleaker before it ever gets better.
 

Capt Caveman

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
San Fran is a debauched degenerate city. With its support for criminals, its creation of epidemics, its auto-immune like attacks on the virtues of human nature and its impudent, self-absorbed attitude I am sure the future of San Fran is going to be a whole lot bleaker before it ever gets better.

:laugh:
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
San Fran is a debauched degenerate city. With its support for criminals, its creation of epidemics, its auto-immune like attacks on the virtues of human nature and its impudent, self-absorbed attitude I am sure the future of San Fran is going to be a whole lot bleaker before it ever gets better.

what epidemics are you talking about Butterbean?

enlighten us? :laugh:
 

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Illegals commit crimes at a lower rate than the native citizen population. Violent illegals should certainly be deported, that's a no-brainer. But this nonsense highlighting violent illegals as if sanctuary cities are responsible for these people deaths when these same sanctuary cities are also responsible for all the good they do for the country is the epitome of ignorance, hate, hackery, or a combination of all three.
 

Red Dawn

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You idiots think San Francisco is the only city that has problems with MS13? They are a problem in almost all major US Cities and are moving into the rural areas as well.
 

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Living in San Francisco I can tell you that most of the Latino community ( from listening to the local Spanish radio station and having grown up in the Mission District ) including the widow ( she and her passed husband and sons are/were Latinos and lived in the outer Mission ) agree that this guy A.) Needs to face the death penalty and B.) Juvenile criminals should not be protected by this amnesty ordnance. Of course I know where the OP is going with this but frankly it's not what the people in San Francisco are looking for at all since we value the diversity of our population. Frankly I couldn't live anywhere else in the US that doesn't have a diverse population of peoples from all over the world living in it.
 

lupi

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Originally posted by: Drift3r
Living in San Francisco I can tell you that most of the Latino community ( from listening to the local Spanish radio station and having grown up in the Mission District ) including the widow ( she and her passed husband and sons are/were Latinos and lived in the outer Mission ) agree that this guy A.) Needs to face the death penalty and B.) Juvenile criminals should not be protected by this amnesty ordnance. Of course I know where the OP is going with this but frankly it's not what the people in San Francisco are looking for at all since we value the diversity of our population. Frankly I couldn't live anywhere else in the US that doesn't have a diverse population of peoples from all over the world living in it.

And yet the city keeps electing those that want to do anything but uphold american laws or traditions.
 

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Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: Butterbean
San Fran is a debauched degenerate city. With its support for criminals, its creation of epidemics, its auto-immune like attacks on the virtues of human nature and its impudent, self-absorbed attitude I am sure the future of San Fran is going to be a whole lot bleaker before it ever gets better.

what epidemics are you talking about Butterbean?

enlighten us? :laugh:

Butterbean is blatantly talking about AIDS. In his super high power brain, he assumes AIDS comes from SF or the people are to blame for the disease.... or something else just as rediculous... /shakes head + facepalm
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: Butterbean
San Fran is a debauched degenerate city. With its support for criminals, its creation of epidemics, its auto-immune like attacks on the virtues of human nature and its impudent, self-absorbed attitude I am sure the future of San Fran is going to be a whole lot bleaker before it ever gets better.

Oh gee whatever could you be talking about here? Hmmm... FFS just come out already.
 

Rainsford

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Murder by an illegal immigrant in the poster city for conservative hatred = HUGE STORY
Murder by anyone else anywhere else = YOU BETTER NOT TAKE MAH GUNS

Does anyone really care about the issues here, or is this just political opportunism?
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Illegals commit crimes at a lower rate than the native citizen population.

Eh? since 100% of ILLEGALS are breaking the law by being here/to get here you'd be hard pressed to prove that the "native" population has over 100%.

 

jonks

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Seriously, if everyone just stopped responding to any post by bb, would he maybe go away?
 

RightIsWrong

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Murder by an illegal immigrant in the poster city for conservative hatred = HUGE STORY
Murder by anyone else anywhere else = YOU BETTER NOT TAKE MAH GUNS

Does anyone really care about the issues here, or is this just political opportunism?

What is that in the air? Ahhh yes, it's the smell of an enlightened post. It's such a rare thing in these type threads that I often forget what one is.

It's a tragedy that this family is having to deal with this. However, it is no more a tragedy than any other family dealing with the same situation done by a citizen (which happens a lot more frequently) in which the call to arms and vigilante justice usually begins after the third or fourth reply.
 

RightIsWrong

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Illegals commit crimes at a lower rate than the native citizen population.

Eh? since 100% of ILLEGALS are breaking the law by being here/to get here you'd be hard pressed to prove that the "native" population has over 100%.

I'm sure that once they hit driving age and get a license....you'd find a lot of takers for your bet that all natives commit crimes.

I know that I sure as hell would love your money.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Illegals commit crimes at a lower rate than the native citizen population.

Eh? since 100% of ILLEGALS are breaking the law by being here/to get here you'd be hard pressed to prove that the "native" population has over 100%.

I'm sure that once they hit driving age and get a license....you'd find a lot of takers for your bet that all natives commit crimes.

I know that I sure as hell would love your money.

Who's talking about betting? :confused:

So you think you can prove the native population has over 100% -which would be the minimum since 100% of ILLEGALS have committed a crime getting/being here.
 

rpanic

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I bet SF forces illegals that are release from jail to stay and serve out their probation like LA does instead of just being deported. Aside from the valley part of LA an Illegal can stay as long as he is on probation regardless of the crimes committed.
 

BoomerD

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: Evan Lieb
Illegals commit crimes at a lower rate than the native citizen population.

Eh? since 100% of ILLEGALS are breaking the law by being here/to get here you'd be hard pressed to prove that the "native" population has over 100%.

http://www.fairus.org/site/Pag...rationissuecenters0b9c

" In 1980, our federal and state prisons housed fewer than 9,000 criminal aliens. By the end of 1999, these same prisons housed over 68,000 criminal aliens. Today, criminal aliens account for over 29 percent of prisoners in Federal Bureau of Prisons facilities and a higher share of all federal prison inmates."

"Incarceration of criminal aliens cost an estimated $624 million to state prisons (1999) and $891 million to federal prisons (2002), according to the most recent available figure from the Bureau of Justice Statistics."

"In 1988, there were 5,500 illegal immigrants in California?s prisons. By fiscal year 1994- 1995, that is estimated to have increased to more than 18,000 illegal immigrants in state prisons?a three-fold increase. California taxpayers have spent over a billion dollars in the last five years to keep these convicted felons in prison, and the FY 94-95 cost of incarcerating these offenders exceeded $375 million."

WE HAVE to stop the invasion of the illegal "crimigrants" that are trying to drag this country down to the levels of the third-world shit-holes from which they came.