<< Thanks, the key reason I visit this forum is "saving money". so it is impossible to persuade me to buy expensive stuff no matter what you are talking about. The truth is that all of the electonic products' prices drop periodically except those stuff used by military. So if you pay $100 to buy a "name brand" power supply now, then you will defintely lose $75 this time next year. I 'd rather save money immediately! I do remember someone had told me a "Moore rule"----every six month, CPUs's price drops 50% and CPUs' speed doubles. Hah, all these is just marketing rules rather than product quality. >>
"Saving money" is not having to replace parts or a whole system from a bad power supply! Everyone here that's advocating buying a QUALITY power supply is trying to SAVE you money and agravation. If you don't want to listen, that's your perogative. BTW, did you even read the 2 links I provided in my previous posts? I bet not. Go ahead and weigh your power supply and even find out the true manufacturer based on that article. Just tell us how much it weighs and who really made it. I think everyone would like to know that information. I know I do.
P.S. Quality power supplies never drop in price.
<< Thanks, the key reason I visit this forum is "saving money". so it is impossible to persuade me to buy expensive stuff no matter what you are talking about. >>
Yes, and the reason I come here is to find great deals on quality hardware like power supplies (a $40 shipped Enermax deal would be Great!
) I don't come here to find the cheapest POS you can find on the Net.These are the same people that will post in General Hardware in 3 months; ".....there are no lights at all coming on in my system when I press the power button, what do you think it could be?"
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its like saying, "hey look i bought a 10 cent burrito!"
kwality quaranteed!
not all power supplies explode, but brand-name ones never do.
kwality quaranteed!
not all power supplies explode, but brand-name ones never do.
Low price = Low Quality???? If you insist this, you will definitely keep loosing money. In most situations, low price products step from Marketing Competition instead of low qualities. I always build & upgrade systems for myself and never use any expensive name brand products except CPUs. In my opinion, Computer products' life period is less than 5 years (Maybe 3 years) in today's fast step info age. so how come do you like to spend that much? By the way, many "huge name" products depend on their advertising everywhere. Their products' prices includes at least four parts: 1. Real cost;2 Adversiting cost; 3. Mfr. product profits. 4. reseller's profit. Is it clear???
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<< I always build & upgrade systems for myself and never use any expensive name brand products except CPUs. In my opinion, Computer products' life period is less than 5 years (Maybe 3 years) in today's fast step info age. so how come do you like to spend that much? By the way, many "huge name" products depend on their advertising everywhere. Their products' prices includes at least four parts: 1. Real cost;2 Adversiting cost; 3. Mfr. product profits. 4. reseller's profit...is it clear >>
May I explain why following your advice wouldn't be very wise? I'll do this by responding to your 4 points.
1) Real Cost? Well you are correct amigo. The real Cost to use quality parts, to have an effective Quality Control Division and a Top Notch engineering Department does cost a Premium. Much more than some half ass little company who buys parts that don't meet industry standards and who's QC department isn't a Priority in the Companies Budget.
2) Advertising Costs... A real non factor. I bet Enermax's advertising cost must add what... 30 or 40 cents at most to their over all cost of each unit. Big Deal
3)Mfr Profits...You really think they make that much more per unit than those who build Cheap PSU's. As I mentioned in my reply to your first thread, Companies like Enermax, Antec and the other Mfr's of quality PSU's have a higher over- head than companies like " Pop and Blow Power Supply INC." due to their better Engineering DEPT, Q&C.. and so on. Their profits come from selling thousands of PSU's to Major Corporations and Companies that build High End Workstations and Servers. End users like us are much less significant to their bottom line. We might pay a premium but we aren't getting gouged.
When you buy a quality PSU you are buying a product designed for IT Depts of Corporations more than they are designed for end users. That's why they only use quality components the meet Industry Standards. Some Head of an IT department isn't going to risk his job recomending a cheap ass PSU just to try and save a few bucks. He understands that a quality PSU means less chance of lost productivity due to downtime cause by the probelms a cheap PSU can cause such as instability and whole systems failure. No, he's not some guy who builds and upgrades his systems himself (well he probably is) he's a guy who the whole company depends on to make a wise choice when it comes to their Computing needs. I'd listen to him before I'd listen to some hobbyist.
4)Resellers Profit? What's that. $10.00 at the most? You'd put your $300 P4 200CPU, your $150 P4 Motherboard and you $150 worth of DDR Memory at risk to save $10.00 ..maybe $20.00 at the absolute most ()and that's only if you don't visit the Hot Deals Forum)?
<< is it clear >>
The only thing that is clear is that your advice is bad. Your Cheapo PSU's might have been good enough for P3's and Celeron's. You might have even gotten lucky with Tbirds, but from now on the Quality of the PSU and the Quality of the Power that it delivers is going to be much more of a factor with these newer more power sensitve CPU and components.
<< May I explain why following your advice wouldn't be very wise? I'll do this by responding to your 4 points. >>
I do not want to argue with you. Actually, no matter how many 4 points your emphasized, you still have not understood what I mentioned above. you always insist "Low price and generic products equal to low quality", but i will tell you, you are totally wrong! The final conclusions is determined by end users not by us. The only things we can do now is to wait. That's to say, if too many complains post here on this product, then you are right. If no complains or few complains, you can then keep quiet. Maybe next week we have results.
<< not all power supplies explode, but brand-name ones never do. >>
Not quite true. A friend's Antec power supply exploded on him, singeing his beard and spraying battery acid all over the inside of his case. Of course, he lives in Guanajuato, Mexico, so the quality of the power itself may have been an issue.
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<< not all power supplies explode, but brand-name ones never do. >>
Not quite true. A friend's Antec power supply exploded on him, singeing his beard and spraying battery acid all over the inside of his case. Of course, he lives in Guanajuato, Mexico, so the quality of the power itself may have been an issue. >>
that is AMAZING, yet scary
As far as weighing power supplies go:
My Enlight 250W weighs in at 48.3 oz or 3.02 lbs. I guess I've got a good one
Copied out of Caveman's link (weights in lbs.):
250W
Low Quality: 1.7-2.4
Average Quality: 2.4-2.8
High Quality: 2.8-3.1
300W
Low Quality: 2.1-2.7
Average Quality: 2.7-3.2
High Quality: 3.3-3.8
Has anyone tried weighing the 400W in the thread?
My Enlight 250W weighs in at 48.3 oz or 3.02 lbs. I guess I've got a good one
Copied out of Caveman's link (weights in lbs.):
250W
Low Quality: 1.7-2.4
Average Quality: 2.4-2.8
High Quality: 2.8-3.1
300W
Low Quality: 2.1-2.7
Average Quality: 2.7-3.2
High Quality: 3.3-3.8
Has anyone tried weighing the 400W in the thread?
I have a cheap Dear PS in my computer right now which I leave on 24/7 usually.. should I be worried this thing will blow up and start a fire while I'm asleep? Or does blowing up in the literal sense not happen? Now u guys got me worried.
Treemonkey,
Thanks for taking the time to weigh your PS. I thought that article was really a cool way for us end users to get a good estimate of the quality of our componants. Now, if only someone would weigh the PS hot deal in this thread so we could get an idea of the componants inside. I doubt after weighing it, they will want to post the weight though.
Thanks for taking the time to weigh your PS. I thought that article was really a cool way for us end users to get a good estimate of the quality of our componants. Now, if only someone would weigh the PS hot deal in this thread so we could get an idea of the componants inside. I doubt after weighing it, they will want to post the weight though.
People never learn from lessons of others.
Before my OEM Power Supply in the INWIN S508 case died in one year, and ruined my Kenwood 72x CDROM and Samsung CDRW drive, I never understand how important PS is even I have been reading the hardware forum for years.
Before my friend's PS explode in his dorm, and ruined his motherboard, all CDROMs, harddisks, and leave him an unstable processor and RAM, he never understand what I talked to him about how PS is important.
Conclusion:
I will only buy a Name-brand PS with low price.
Think about it, if PS is not so important, why AMD have to bother approving them.
Before my OEM Power Supply in the INWIN S508 case died in one year, and ruined my Kenwood 72x CDROM and Samsung CDRW drive, I never understand how important PS is even I have been reading the hardware forum for years.
Before my friend's PS explode in his dorm, and ruined his motherboard, all CDROMs, harddisks, and leave him an unstable processor and RAM, he never understand what I talked to him about how PS is important.
Conclusion:
I will only buy a Name-brand PS with low price.
Think about it, if PS is not so important, why AMD have to bother approving them.
Have used generic power supply for over 7 years. Never have any problem. so I don't trust those "explode" tale. I do not think anyone here really has "explode" experience. All just heard from others. keep away from name brands!
Well, maybe I am the unlucky one. I got a bad Antec PS together with the case. I was unable to identified the problem for several days. Most people will consider the problem comes from motherboard or some other component because it just can not be shut down by windows. You download patch, etc, does not help at all.
About cheap or expensive, I believe, or I will,
1. Get a good case, PS.
2. Good keyboard and mouse (I like mouseman from logitech)
3. Good speakers
4. Good monitors and large enough
5. Motherboard, CPU and memory will change all the time, try the most mature one (Today, KT266-A? Vote for it).
6. Video card and sound card change all the time, try the mature one (Today, Geforce 2 or Geforce 3 Ti200?, I got the ATI Radeon 8500 for DVD purpose, they released the official driver at Feb).
For 5 and 6, I won't vote for the newest one such as KT333 and Geforce4 Ti4600. When you build up your computer, you are fully responsible for all the incompatibilities. That is a headache for me all the time.
About cheap or expensive, I believe, or I will,
1. Get a good case, PS.
2. Good keyboard and mouse (I like mouseman from logitech)
3. Good speakers
4. Good monitors and large enough
5. Motherboard, CPU and memory will change all the time, try the most mature one (Today, KT266-A? Vote for it).
6. Video card and sound card change all the time, try the mature one (Today, Geforce 2 or Geforce 3 Ti200?, I got the ATI Radeon 8500 for DVD purpose, they released the official driver at Feb).
For 5 and 6, I won't vote for the newest one such as KT333 and Geforce4 Ti4600. When you build up your computer, you are fully responsible for all the incompatibilities. That is a headache for me all the time.
"Explode" doesn't mean like a bomb explosion. I remember clearly my friend described to me that following a big "bang", his PS has sparkles shooting out and then released very stinky smoke. He quickly unplug the power cord to avoid a bigger accident.
BTW, my PS died right after a "bang" too. I had thought it was my UPS, but after open the PS case, I found out that there was some components falling off. After that, I bought two name-brand PS, one is HEC 350W, another is Antec 350W, very stable and quiet.
I agree some OEM PS can survive much longer than mine. But, it is like buying medical insurance. A good PS is a good medical insurance for your computer. None of us are PS expert, I won't buy a PS until it is proved to be good quality.
BTW, my PS died right after a "bang" too. I had thought it was my UPS, but after open the PS case, I found out that there was some components falling off. After that, I bought two name-brand PS, one is HEC 350W, another is Antec 350W, very stable and quiet.
I agree some OEM PS can survive much longer than mine. But, it is like buying medical insurance. A good PS is a good medical insurance for your computer. None of us are PS expert, I won't buy a PS until it is proved to be good quality.
According to my experience, both name brand and generic power has the same defective rate. Name brand only rips off your money, so Never trust them. Power supply is not high tech product. If it works, it is a good one. the Great Success of War-Mart's products is a good proof.
Most times when they explode is when you power them up, at least that is my experience, if you leave you computer on 24/7 its less likely to explode-I had 1 ps explode when I started it up 1 day-a capaciator blew up in a pos deer ps. From that day I swore off all those econo power supplies.
I dont see the sense spending all this $$ on components just to trust it to a $15 power supply, Yes PC power & cooling ps are more money but they work and there price is 25% off right now on the 300 and 350 watt turbo cool models.
http://www.pcpowercooling.com/prices/index.htm
I dont see the sense spending all this $$ on components just to trust it to a $15 power supply, Yes PC power & cooling ps are more money but they work and there price is 25% off right now on the 300 and 350 watt turbo cool models.
http://www.pcpowercooling.com/prices/index.htm
<< I had 1 ps explode when I started it up 1 day-a capaciator blew up in a pos deer ps. From that day I swore off all those econo power supplies. >>
that's exactly what happened to me!
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