Anonymous outs alleged Amanda Todd bully

[SheHateMe]

You felt that needed to be pointed out? Since the details were lacking in what she did?

Ok, 11 year old girl flashes tits.

Four years later after four years of harassment she commits suicide after having been followed to TWO different schools and cities.

And you think the relevant part is that she did indeed flash her tits?

I'm sorry but why the fuck would you bring it up if it wasn't to excuse the perpetrators actions which eventually led to hear death?

Give me a good reason, come on you daft twat, i'm sure you can if you dig deep.

How about the fact that the act of flashing her "tits" (as you say) is what ultimately led to being blackmailed by a stranger, having the photo spread throughout her school to her friends, her parents, non-friends, and possibly the parents of kids at the school. flashing her "tits" also lead to repeated harrasment and blackmailing by said stranger, destruction of her reputation, and bullying at every school she went to. She also admitted to hooking up with someone's boyfriend, an act that led to further humiliation, bullying, torment, and destruction of her reputation.

Eventually she killed herself.

Where does the story start again? Oh yea... "Ok, 11 year old girl flashes tits.".

You said it yourself.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

What contract did she sign? Sexual relations with who? She flashed her breasts to people she considered friends and it backfired on her horribly.

That doesn't mean that she isnt responsible for flashing her breasts to these "friends".

So, we just cant hold young people accountable for their actions..

What is the appropriate punishment for her actions?

I though you just said you didn't want to put it on her?

nobody is responsible except the guy who sent her pictures around

THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT!

Just like the rape victim isn't responsible for being raped regardless of her actions this girl wasn't responsible for what the guy who sent her pictures around did.

The ONLY ONE responsible was that guy. Charge him with involountary manslaughter.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

What contract did she sign? Sexual relations with who? She flashed her breasts to people she considered friends and it backfired on her horribly.

That doesn't mean that she isnt responsible for flashing her breasts to these "friends".

So, we just cant hold young people accountable for their actions..yet people are condemning the other kids for bullying her. By your logic, nobody is responsible except the guy who sent her pictures around since he's an adult as far as we know.

An 11 year old could probably get away with murder, let alone flashing her breasts. She was responsible for the action, but taking those images and uploading them throughout the internet was not something she's responsible for. If her 11 year old friends at the time distributed them I wouldn't necessarily want them charged with distribution of child pornography, but to continue it for years afterwards (especially if there was indeed an unrelated adult doing it) is the choice of those distributing the images.

 

[SheHateMe]

What is the appropriate punishment for her actions?

I though you just said you didn't want to put it on her?



THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT!

Just like the rape victim isn't responsible for being raped regardless of her actions this girl wasn't responsible for what the guy who sent her pictures around did.

The ONLY ONE responsible was that guy. Charge him with involountary manslaughter.

Yes, I said it wasnt her fault the photo was spread around. I SAID It was her fault there was a photo of her like that in the first place.

As far as Punishment? Let see, if she didn't end up dying, I imagine her parents would probably need to have a sit down with her and explain the severity and scope of her actions.

Just like any other parent would.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

How about the fact that the act of flashing her "tits" (as you say) is what ultimately led to being blackmailed by a stranger, having the photo spread throughout her school to her friends, her parents, non-friends, and possibly the parents of kids at the school. flashing her "tits" also lead to repeated harrasment and blackmailing by said stranger, destruction of her reputation, and bullying at every school she went to.

Eventually she killed herself.

Where does the story start again? Oh yea... "Ok, 11 year old girl flashes tits.".

You said it yourself.

Yeah and the act of wearing that short skirt (as i say) is what ultimately led to the rape.

So where does this story start again? Oh yea... "woman wore short skirt".

You really don't get many people like yourself, so stupid that they will actually argue against what they said just a few posts up, that she had no blame in the matter.

You're just unusually stupid, aren't you?

 

[SheHateMe]

An 11 year old could probably get away with murder, let alone flashing her breasts. She was responsible for the action, but taking those images and uploading them throughout the internet was not something she's responsible for. If her 11 year old friends at the time distributed them I wouldn't necessarily want them charged with distribution of child pornography, but to continue it for years afterwards (especially if there was indeed an unrelated adult doing it) is the choice of those distributing the images.

Thank you, that was my point from the beginning. Never said she was responsible for the picture.

/conversation

 

[BudAshes]

Um, no. The fact that he has been berating people for the past 3 pages is a form of bullying. He doesn't bother me with his words. Its just interesting how he is so riled up over this story and at the same time name calling just like Amanda was name called.

Also, how are my arguments stupid?

Yeah going back to read his posts he has mental problems. Still doesn't change the fact that you can't be bullied in this scenario because he has no knowledge of you personally or any power over you in any way. It's just a lame duck argument and it annoys me that it keeps getting used in this thread.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Yes, I said it wasnt her fault the photo was spread around. I SAID It was her fault there was a photo of her like that in the first place.

As far as Punishment? Let see, if she didn't end up dying, I imagine her parents would probably need to have a sit down with her and explain the severity and scope of her actions.

Just like any other parent would.

If i was her father, i'd find that guy before we'd have to move because of him.

I'd find him and i'd make sure that he would never do such a thing again.

And i would talk to my daughter and tell her that it's a stupid thing to do and not to do it again.

I've actually had that conversation with my daughter about her online behaviour, it was 10 years ago.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Thank you, that was my point from the beginning. Never said she was responsible for the picture.

/conversation

That wasn't the extent of your point. Your point is that since she was responsible for flashing her breasts, that everything that happened to her from that point onwards was also her responsibility.

How about the fact that the act of flashing her "tits" (as you say) is what ultimately led to being blackmailed by a stranger, having the photo spread throughout her school to her friends, her parents, non-friends, and possibly the parents of kids at the school. flashing her "tits" also lead to repeated harrasment and blackmailing by said stranger, destruction of her reputation, and bullying at every school she went to. She also admitted to hooking up with someone's boyfriend, an act that led to further humiliation, bullying, torment, and destruction of her reputation.

Eventually she killed herself.

Where does the story start again? Oh yea... "Ok, 11 year old girl flashes tits.".

You said it yourself.

 

[SheHateMe]

Yeah and the act of wearing that short skirt (as i say) is what ultimately led to the rape.

So where does this story start again? Oh yea... "woman wore short skirt".

You really don't get many people like yourself, so stupid that they will actually argue against what they said just a few posts up, that she had no blame in the matter.

You're just unusually stupid, aren't you?

So what you're saying is, if a woman wears a short skirt...if she is raped, that would be the reason? You are speaking in absolutes. Women wear what can be deemed as "short" skirts all the time...that doesn't mean it will result in a rape. Most often it does not.

Here is what we absolutely do know about Amanda. Flashing her breasts in a chatroom lead to 3 years of torment and ultimately, her death. We know that for a fact, because she admitted this is what started her torment.

You're unusually irrational.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

So what you're saying is, if a woman wears a short skirt...if she is raped, that would be the reason? You are speaking in absolutes. Women wear what can be deemed as "short" skirts all the time...that doesn't mean it will result in a rape. Most often it does not.

Here is what we absolutely do know about Amanda. Flashing her breasts in a chatroom lead to 3 years of torment and ultimately, her death. We know that for a fact, because she admitted this is what started her torment.

You're unusually irrational.

Flashing breasts doesn't always lead to years of stalking, harassment, and bullying.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Yeah going back to read his posts he has mental problems. Still doesn't change the fact that you can't be bullied in this scenario because he has no knowledge of you personally or any power over you in any way. It's just a lame duck argument and it annoys me that it keeps getting used in this thread.

These things piss me off when people try to excuse the actions of perpetrators because of the actions of the victim. In this case in particular since it has to do with an 11 year old girl.

If that equals mental problems then so be it.

Best of luck to you trying to stay sane with the people of this thread while i live you with the grief of discussing even the most elementary things with them.

Cheerio.

 

[SheHateMe]

That wasn't the extent of your point. Your point is that since she was responsible for flashing her breasts, that everything that happened to her from that point onwards was also her responsibility.

I said her actions leading up to and after her flashing was her responsibility. More specifically her admission to flashing her breasts and "hooking" up with another girl's boyfriend is something that she also admitted lead to more torment in her life.

So, therefore...if Amanda had never flashed in the chatroom or "hooked" up with that guy, she would probably be alive and happy today.

 

[SheHateMe]

Flashing breasts doesn't always lead to years of stalking, harassment, and bullying.

But in this case, it did.

😵

 

[HamburgerBoy]

But in this case, it did.

😵

And in the case where a rapist saw a woman wearing a miniskirt and it compelled him to rape her, it did.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

So what you're saying is, if a woman wears a short skirt...if she is raped, that would be the reason? You are speaking in absolutes. Women wear what can be deemed as "short" skirts all the time...that doesn't mean it will result in a rape. Most often it does not.

Here is what we absolutely do know about Amanda. Flashing her breasts in a chatroom lead to 3 years of torment and ultimately, her death. We know that for a fact, because she admitted this is what started her torment.

You're unusually irrational.

So what you are saying is, if a woman flashes her breasts on the internet... if she is harassed for years and has to move twice that is the reason? You are speaking in absolutes. Women flash their tits on the internet all the time... that doesn't mean that it will result in harassment for years that forces them to move several times. Most often it does not.

Here's what we know about a woman wearing a short skirt, wearing short skirts led to her being raped. We know that for a fact, because she admitted that this is what happened.

You are unusually irrational.

 

[SheHateMe]

And in the case where a rapist saw a woman wearing a miniskirt and it compelled him to rape her, it did.

The funny thing about that is subjectivity. This is why the "short skirt, asked for it" argument with rape doesnt work.

"Short" is very subjective. For example, what is a short skirt to you might not be a short skirt to me.

Therefore, you cannot blame the clothing a woman was wearing for her rape.

Now, if the woman was being flirtatious in an overly sexual way which compelled a man to be sexually aggressive with her...then maybe, we can say that for sure.

Maybe even if she flashed her privates hidden under the skirt...but you know that's far fetched.



What we can absolutely state is that Amanda admitted that she flashed her breasts, a man blackmailed her because of it a year later and it ruined her life. That is undeniable. The action of flashing herself led to this outcome. She admitted what she did and what happened to her because of it. I'm just a bad guy for saying she was responsible for what she did.




Rape shouldn't even be in this conversation right now. You cannot equate the rape of a woman for wearing a skirt with the blackmailing of a girl for flashing her breasts.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

The funny thing about that is subjectivity. This is why the "short skirt, asked for it" argument with rape doesnt work.

"Short" is very subjective. For example, what is a short skirt to you might not be a short skirt to me.

Therefore, you cannot blame the clothing a woman was wearing for her rape.

Now, if the woman was being flirtatious in an overly sexual way which compelled a man to be sexually aggressive with her...then maybe, we can say that for sure.

Maybe even if she flashed her privates hidden under the skirt...but you know that's far fetched.



What we can absolutely state is that Amanda admitted that she flashed her breasts, a man blackmailed her because of it a year later and it ruined her life. That is undeniable.




Rape shouldn't even be in this conversation right now. You cannot equate the rape of a woman for wearing a skirt with the blackmailing of a girl for flashing her breasts.

lolwut? What does the length of the skirt have to do with anything? Certain actions can lead to bad consequences, even if the action committed is either non-harmful or only harmful to oneself. Now, I don't know whether or not rapists actually do go after women in miniskirts, but that's beside the point. Let's say she gets totally hammered at a bar and then passes out in an alley where a rapist finds her. We can absolutely state that if she drank less and called a cab, she would not have been raped on that night. Does that excuse the action of the rapist?

 

[SheHateMe]

So what you are saying is, if a woman flashes her breasts on the internet... if she is harassed for years and has to move twice that is the reason? You are speaking in absolutes. Women flash their tits on the internet all the time... that doesn't mean that it will result in harassment for years that forces them to move several times. Most often it does not.

Here's what we know about a woman wearing a short skirt, wearing short skirts led to her being raped. We know that for a fact, because she admitted that this is what happened.

You are unusually irrational.

For crying out loud. Amanda said in her video that flashing her breasts lead to this situation.

That is an absolute. Her torment couldn't have come from any other source because she said so herself that flashing is what led to the blackmail, bullying, and harassment.

Saying that a woman will be raped for wearing a short skirt is speaking in absolutes since you assume that a woman will be raped for only this reason.

People are harassed for a number of reasons.

However, we absolutely know that in this case, Amanda was harassed because of the fact that she flashed her breasts. She admitted it and identified it as the source of her problems.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

For crying out loud. Amanda said in her video that flashing her breasts lead to this situation.

That is an absolute. Her torment couldn't have come from any other source because she said so herself that flashing is what led to the blackmail, bullying, and harassment.

Saying that a woman will be raped for wearing a short skirt is speaking in absolutes since you assume that a woman will be raped for only this reason.

People are harassed for a number of reasons.

However, we absolutely know that in this case, Amanda was harassed because of the fact that she flashed her breasts. She admitted it and identified it as the source of her problems.

Wow, a suicidal individual blaming themselves. GUILTY!

 

[SheHateMe]

lolwut? What does the length of the skirt have to do with anything? Certain actions can lead to bad consequences, even if the action committed is either non-harmful or only harmful to oneself. Now, I don't know whether or not rapists actually do go after women in miniskirts, but that's beside the point. Let's say she gets totally hammered at a bar and then passes out in an alley where a rapist finds her. We can absolutely state that if she drank less and called a cab, she would not have been raped on that night. Does that excuse the action of the rapist?

Because, anyone can say that a skirt is short. It is a matter of subjectivity.

For example, some people think a skirt that is more than 3 inches above the knee is short. I do not. I think a short skirt is something comes dangerously close to showing your undergarments (much higher than 3inches!).

What is a short skirt to you?


And yes, was can absolutely state that her actions led to her being drunk. She cannot possibly be responsible for being raped since it was an action committed by SOMEONE ELSE.

When did I excuse the actions of the perpetrator in Amanda's case? I never did.

This would have never happened to her if she didn't flash her breasts. Exactly the same as the woman getting drunk in your hypothetical situation.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

For crying out loud. Amanda said in her video that flashing her breasts lead to this situation.

That is an absolute. Her torment couldn't have come from any other source because she said so herself that flashing is what led to the blackmail, bullying, and harassment.

Saying that a woman will be raped for wearing a short skirt is speaking in absolutes since you assume that a woman will be raped for only this reason.

People are harassed for a number of reasons.

However, we absolutely know that in this case, Amanda was harassed because of the fact that she flashed her breasts. She admitted it and identified it as the source of her problems.

I don't want to spend the effort of retyping this with the rape victim replacing Amanda so just imagine i did and read it like that.

You are somewhat a mental midget in that you don't understand that you are arguing for the victims guilt in one case and not in the other and in both cases the victim is NOT responsible for the actions of the perpetrator so it is entirely irrelevant if their actions actually contributed since that was never the intention of Amanda or the rape victim and neither have any part in the perpetrators actions.

You'll never understand that though, no matter how many times and in how many times i explain it to you.

Are you perchance a Muslim or a very conservative christian?

So cheerio to you you daft twat, better luck next time.

 

[SheHateMe]

Wow, a suicidal individual blaming themselves. GUILTY!

Huh? I'm just stating the fact that she knows exactly why people were treating her like shit. It was because of a mistake she made that she remembers clearly.

Can you think of something bad you did in your life that lead to you being treated horribly for it?

We all have a situation like that. Its simple cause and effect, she knew the cause and told us all what the effect of her actions were. She became tormented, depressed, and ended up killing herself.

 

[SheHateMe]

Are you perchance a Muslim?

So cheerio to you you daft twat, better luck next time.

Yep, you're not even worth my time buddy. Something is wrong with you.

I'm not going to even touch on the question of why I am being asked if I'm a Muslim.

🙄

 

[sixone]

What we can absolutely state is that Amanda admitted that she flashed her breasts, a man blackmailed her because of it a year later and it ruined her life. That is undeniable. The action of flashing herself led to this outcome. She admitted what she did and what happened to her because of it. I'm just a bad guy for saying she was responsible for what she did.

It's COMPLETELY deniable, and completely FALSE.

The guy didn't blackmail her because she flashed him. He blackmailed her because he's a SCUMBAG that should be locked up for his crimes.

Her poor judgment doesn't excuse his CRIMINAL behavior. She's responsible for what she did (NOT criminal), and he's responsible for what he did (BEYOND criminal).