Ann Coulter -The problem isn't just illegal immigration, it's legal immigration, too

Svnla

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I agree with the following statements (clips from snips and bits):

My thought is, maybe we should consider admitting immigrants who can succeed in America, rather than deadbeats.

I would rather have doctors and engineers sneaking into the country than legally arriving ditch-diggers.

There should be ZERO immigrants committing crimes. There should be ZERO immigrants accepting government assistance. There should be ZERO immigrants demanding that we speak their language.

We have no choice about native-born losers. We ought to be able to do something about the people we chose to bring here.


Meanwhile, our government officials just keep singing the praises of "diversity," while expressly excluding skilled immigrants who might be less inclined to become "disaffected" and lash out by killing Americans.

We do have choices about native-born losers. STOP giving them freebies years after years after years. Set a time limit. No work = no freebies and extra babies =! extra money.


http://news.yahoo.com/problem-isnt-...-too-000049667.html?bcmt_s=m#ugccmt-container
 
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nehalem256

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Republicans passed a bill last year with this general principle:


The US House of Representatives passed a controversial bill this morning that would grant 55,000 new visas to foreigners who graduate from US universities with science, technology, engineering or math degrees (so-called STEM graduates). The vote comes just two days after the Obama administration said it was opposed to the bill.

The bill, called the STEM Jobs Act, passed on a 245-139 vote mostly along party lines, with about two dozen Democrats joining Republicans in supporting the bill, according to a report from the blog The Hill. Most Democrats opposed the bill, though, because the STEM Jobs Act adds the 55,000 new visas at the cost of a diversity-visa program that grants the same number of visas to countries with historically low levels of immigration to the US.

About half of the diversity visas would go to African immigrants, and some minority Democratic representatives today accused the bill of being shortsighted or even racist. Shutting down the main program that provides visas to African immigrants "is racist, if not in its intent, then certainly in its effect," said Rep. Hank Johnson (D-GA), according to The Hill report. "Republicans have just received a historically low vote from minorities in the past election, yet they want to create an immigration system that gives visas with one hand while taking visas away from minorities with the other."

Republican advocates of the bill have presented it as a straightforward jobs program. "For each person we welcome to America with one of these high degrees, we create jobs, net jobs," said Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA). "We create opportunity for expansion of the kinds of businesses that in fact Americans are prepared to work in, but often we do not have enough engineers, scientists, or math professionals."

As for the racism charge, Issa said he was "personally insulted" that it had come up, and said that STEM graduates are a diverse group. More than 12,000 African citizens are now studying in STEM fields in US schools that could benefit from the program, he noted. When opponents noted that would still result in far fewer visas going to Africans, Issa accused Democrats of "looking at the numbers rather than the merit."

In any case, the bill doesn't have much chance of passing. It might not even come up for debate in the Democrat-controlled Senate.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/11/house-passes-gop-immigration-bill-for-science-math-grads/

Apparently, granting visas based on people's qualifications instead of their race is racist :rolleyes:
 

Matt1970

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My thought is, maybe we should consider admitting immigrants who can succeed in America, rather than deadbeats.

I would rather have doctors and engineers sneaking into the country than legally arriving ditch-diggers.

Ditch-diggers are Deadbeats? This why I don't like Ann Coulter.
 
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Ditch-diggers are Deadbeats? This why I don't like Ann Coulter.

It's shit like this that makes me loathe that ignorant bitch.

This was in reference to the Boston bombing suspects wife.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/23/ann-coulter-hijab_n_3139513.html

“I don’t care if she knew about this,” Coulter told Sean Hannity, the host of the Fox News show. “She ought to be in prison for wearing a hijab.”

She really is just the worst kind of human.
 

Svnla

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Ditch-diggers are Deadbeats? This why I don't like Ann Coulter.

I think her statement was more like: Doctors/engineers/people with skills >>>>>>>>>>> unskiled manual laborers for legal immigration. Don't get me wrong, I am not in her camp, just some of her statements in this article that I agree with.

As another friend told me once, "it is possible to have a doctor or engineer to mow your yard but it is impossible to have a yard worker to replace your heart or build a bridge".
 
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fskimospy

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You guys realize that Ann Coulter is just a professional troll, right? Not even she believes half the stupid shit she says.
 

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Ann Coulter is a small paradigm of politics. She has some, albeit limited, decent things to say that make sense, but all that is railroaded by her extreme BS,... and all that gets attention is the extreme BS. So she makes a living on BS because it pays.

The extremes in both sides of political ideology should not gain protection simply by the colors they wear, yet this happens time and again and in part gives the extremists the cover and protection they need to continue to be successful with spewing their garbage.

The looney left and radical right are small percentages of each spetrum, yet the attention/influence they are able to garner is far beyond what the represent.
 

Matt1970

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You guys realize that Ann Coulter is just a professional troll, right? Not even she believes half the stupid shit she says.

That's pretty close to the mark with a lot of them. If they thought they could have better success jumping ship to the other side they would.
 

Svnla

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Right. That's the problem.


How so?

If you have to pick a person to be admit into the US legally, would you rather pick one with skill, money, able to speak English or one with no skill, no money, and unable to speak English?
 

Matt1970

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How so?

If you have to pick a person to be admit into the US legally, would you rather pick one with skill, money, able to speak English or one with no skill, no money, and unable to speak English?

That's class warfare. We need ditch-diggers just as much as we need doctors. And why are you assuming one speaks english and the other doesn't?
 

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Ditch-diggers are Deadbeats? This why I don't like Ann Coulter.

Petty arrogant coming fund a trust fund kid with a famous lawyer daddy.
We can do a swap. I would take a hard working immigrant anytime over spoiled children.
 

Svnla

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That's class warfare. We need ditch-diggers just as much as we need doctors. And why are you assuming one speaks english and the other doesn't?

We are not in the old industrial age anymore. We need more educated people with skills, not more peasants.

Google, Intel, Yahoo, eBay, etc. What do they all have in common? They are found or co-founded by educated legal immigrants. Now your turn, name a few Fortune 100 companies started by peasants/immigrants with no education/skills.

Just logic. More education = more skilsl = more likely to speak English = more likely to prosper in the US and not become another liablity to US taxpayers (see Boston bombers and family members).
 
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PieIsAwesome

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Why do we have immigration? Is it only to import skills? In that case, then yes, select them based on their merits and qualifications.

But there are other reasons too I would guess, besides skills. Cultural enrichment maybe? Or maybe not? "Diversity"? Asylum? Or maybe just for the hell of it?

Identify our criteria, import those that best fit what we want. There. Done. No need for drama.
 

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It's not about limits on who can and can not come in, it's about letting in the people who want to be here for the right reasons.

We need ditch diggers, and we need doctors. We just don't need terrorists and other criminals.

And yes she is a moron.
 

Matt1970

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We are not in the old industrial age anymore. We need more educated people with skills, not more peasants.

Google, Intel, Yahoo, eBay, etc. What do they all have in common? They are found or co-founded by educated legal immigrants. Now your turn, name a few Fortune 100 companies started by peasants/immigrants with no education/skills.

Just logic. More education = more skilsl = more likely to speak English = more likely to prosper in the US and not become another liablity to US taxpayers (see Boston bombers and family members).

That is soooooo far away from the arguement she was trying to make. She makes no mention of a shortage of Doctors.

Microsoft's Bill Gates - College dropout.
Apple's Steve Jobs - College Dropout.
Apple's Steve Wozniak - College Dropout.

There are many more, but you asked for a few so I gave you the top 3.
 

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We are not in the old industrial age anymore. We need more educated people with skills, not more peasants.

Google, Intel, Yahoo, eBay, etc. What do they all have in common? They are found or co-founded by educated legal immigrants. Now your turn, name a few Fortune 100 companies started by peasants/immigrants with no education/skills.

Just logic. More education = more skilsl = more likely to speak English = more likely to prosper in the US and not become another liablity to US taxpayers (see Boston bombers and family members).

You have probably come from little and done a great job in your life. Peasants also have little. It is sad that you haven't advanced even more than you already have. A real feeling of achievement and self worth, one based on self-understanding, is different than one built solely on how much money and technical prowess you may have. It comes from the love of all life, an empathy for all things. When you love the other with endless compassion you will also love anything about you, you hide from yourself. This is the real gift. You do not need to feel superior to anybody else to know happiness. The one gift a peasant may bring to the table is that he may be much closer to that than you are.
 
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Love those quotes OP - I really do. But things like that require logic and reasoning.

The thought process being this "Immigration Reform" baffles me. The stupidity of it is off the scale. With the shit that they are actually trying to pass, don't even fucking call it Immigration Reform - just call it like it is. "An inspiration to not immigrate legally".

You know how you were always taught to do the right thing growing up as a kid? Yeah, I'm sure there are plenty on the waiting list to legally immigrate and contribute to society. But screw them, let's support people who do it the wrong way :rolleyes:
 

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Ann Coulter is a slimy peice of shit, I never understood why people listen to that B**ch.
 

Svnla

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That is soooooo far away from the arguement she was trying to make. She makes no mention of a shortage of Doctors.

Microsoft's Bill Gates - College dropout.
Apple's Steve Jobs - College Dropout.
Apple's Steve Wozniak - College Dropout.

There are many more, but you asked for a few so I gave you the top 3.

First of all, the point of my previous post was about educated/skilled immigrants and companies found/started by them, not US born.

Secondly, Gates's family was no stinking rich but middle/upper middle class and not immigrants, his dad was a lawyer. Peasants/no education/no skills immigrants (as I stated in my previous post) not found. Same for Jobs (his biology dad was an immigrant with skill - college professor) and Wozniak (IIRC, his family was here in US for a while before he was born in the US).

Thirdly, The Economist magazine of April 13, 2013, page 63 has an article which stated what I already said. More skilled immigrants, not more unskilled. That's my point.

In closing, I want to say it again to make it perfectly clear. I am for: More immigrants with skills, education, and money. Less immigrants with no skill, no education, and no money.
 
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