Ann Coulter seems pretty alright

[morkman100]

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
The things she said are absolutely disgraceful, regardless of whose politics you agree with. You can disagree with the political stance of the widows etc, and you can definitely attack their political ideas...... but to say that they enjoy the death of their husbands, or that they might have been headed for divorce and all that kind of stuff simply exposes Coulter for the scum she is. It puts her on the same level as those wackos out there protesting at the funerals of soldiers.

:thumbsup:

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: tangent1138

Originally posted by: Amplifier
For my summer class we had to do an essay on a political columnist or politician. The point of the essay was to find a person whose we thought we'd completely disagree with and defend their point of view.

I picked Ann Coulter.

So I started reading her columns on the internet and one of her more recent books "How to speak to a Liberal." Her arguments really impressed me. From a technical point of view she covers her bases very well while leaving enough of an opening to generate debate. It's actually kind of embarrassing how much more intelligent she seems than Hillary Clinton or Al Franklin. Not to say I agree with Ann Coulters politics, she just seems to put more thought into what she says. Liberals tend to talk to other liberals like they're children, which gets pretty annoying.

If anything I can appreciate how she gets under peoples skin. She could easily change the wording of her arguments so they wouldn't be considered controversial, but I guess being nice doesn't sell books. One of the topics I'm addressing in my essay is her criticism of the widows of the 9/11 attacks. She's actually echoing sentiments that myself and many other Democrats have about people using personal tragedies to make political points (in the case of the widows, quite idiotic statements). We feel that our politics can withstand direct criticism without using cheap tricks. Coulters points have a lot of validity to them, but they are intentionally sew together to piss liberals off (even at the expense of the argument itself). Saying she's a monster only proves her point that Democratic ideas aren't strong enough to stand on their own. They need to be served without a healthy dose of emotional pleas or ad homen attacks.

Coulter also illustrates (indirectly) a difference in Democrat and Republican mindsets.

What was our retort to "Godless"? We drag one of our most (unfortunately) recognizable faces in Hillary into a debate with a political pundit. Talk about trading a queen for a pawn. In contrast how did Bush handle Cindy Sheehan... "That's what's great about America, people are free to have their own opinion." He completely dismissed her until she lost all her political capital. How many times does Bush have to outmaneuver our party before we stop playing so sloppily.

Anyway, I've been to the dark side and it wasn't that bad. I'll definately read her columns in the future. And with the reaction I got when I told the class I was defending Ann Coulter I got to experience liberal bias in college for the first time!

just because people suffer tragedy doesn't mean they give up the right to have a political opinion. as Americans, it's our right to have an opinion and express it.

there, i just trumped her argument.

try not be such a sheeple.

Actually, you didn't even address the point of her argument. The point of her argument is that liberal puts forward people like these 9/11 Widows or Cindy Sheehan to attack the Bush Administration, conservatives, et al and proclaims that they have absolute moral authority and that you can't respond to them.

Meanwhile, people in the same situation that support the Bush Administrations, conservatives, et al don't get the time of day from the mainstream media.

Coulter is not the first person to make this point. Hideous editorial cartoonist Ted Rall did so as did columnist Dorothy Rabinowitz two years ago.

So she makes the point by personally attacking those widows? Somebody should kick her in her Adam's apple and shut her the fsck up!

LMAO

Misogyny is teh funnay.

I don't consider myself a misogynist but I do believe Coulter is.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: Taggart

Originally posted by: Tom
"Their tactics are identical. "


Moore uses humor, sarcasm, and wit.

What I hear from Coulter is hate.

At least Coulter is just expressing an opinion. Michael Moore just lies.

Are you seriously claiming Coulter doesn't lie?

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
i wonder why she doesn't speak out against MADD, those are mothers using personal tragedy to effect political change. how is it any different?

Ann Coulter, "MADD: Moms Against Data And Deduction,"

Never read it but given the title I assume it fits as an answer to your question.

Yep. It is exactly the same thing. Using the death of a loved one in an attempt to create an unimpeachable political platform and point. If you argue against them, you're an evil brute because their loved one died.

It's knee-jerk reactionism and politics by emotion at it's worst.

Your argument is false in that nobody has an unimpeachable position. It's possible to differ with MADD, or the 9/11 commision, or the widows, without trying to destroy the person you disagree with.

Coulter does not want a debate, she mostly wants to create controversy for the sake of contoversy, and her wallet. Whatever opinion she might have that is viable, is debased by her prostitution. A prostitute will tell you what you want, for money. That is what Coulter does, and her clientele are people who want to wallow in their own hatred.

And I want to add, that Coulter is trading on the death of the 9/11 victims, and the pain of the survivors, in the most despicable way imaginable.

 

[DurocShark]

Originally posted by: Tom
Whatever opinion she might have that is viable, is debased by her prostitution. A prostitute will tell you what you want, for money. That is what Coulter does

Hmm...


*calls Ann Coulter to set an appointment*

😉

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: Ameesh

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: Amplifier

So I started reading her columns on the internet and one of her more recent books "How to speak to a Liberal." Her arguments really impressed me. From a technical point of view she covers her bases very well while leaving enough of an opening to generate debate. It's actually kind of embarrassing how much more intelligent she seems than Hillary Clinton or Al Franklin. Not to say I agree with Ann Coulters politics, she just seems to put more thought into what she says. Liberals tend to talk to other liberals like they're children, which gets pretty annoying.

You're mistaking condescension for intelligence?

You are a born Gamma-Minus, my friend.

Gee.. liberal bias.. boo.

Her arguments are definitely pretty smart. I don't agree with everything she says, but I find it retarded that liberals just slam her and are incapable of refuting some of her arguments.

christ, are you a moron? she is a racist, bigoted, sexist piece of sh!t. anybody who supports her is no better. go to hell you pos.


you might as well make a thread saying adolf hitler makes good arguments.


your a fvcking troll idiot.

"Moron" "fvcking troll idiot" "piece of sh!t" "go to hell you pos"
"she is a racist" (provides no support or documentation)

Way to perpetuate liberal stereotype and help strengthen Coulter's arguments :thumbsup:

 

[Taggart]

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Taggart

Originally posted by: Tom
"Their tactics are identical. "


Moore uses humor, sarcasm, and wit.

What I hear from Coulter is hate.

At least Coulter is just expressing an opinion. Michael Moore just lies.

Are you seriously claiming Coulter doesn't lie?

I don't know, she probably does, but I can stomach a lying conservative over a lying liberal POS. It's the same with the 2 party system, I vote for Republicans, they are the lesser of 2 evils.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Taggart

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: Taggart

Originally posted by: Tom
"Their tactics are identical. "


Moore uses humor, sarcasm, and wit.

What I hear from Coulter is hate.

At least Coulter is just expressing an opinion. Michael Moore just lies.

Are you seriously claiming Coulter doesn't lie?

I don't know, she probably does, but I can stomach a lying conservative over a lying liberal POS. It's the same with the 2 party system, I vote for Republicans, they are the lesser of 2 evils.

Well the lesser of the two evils has fscked up pretty bad, maybe they aren't the lesser of two evils, maybe they are just as bad.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: tangent1138

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Good job pretty much proving her point.

I'm not a fan of Coulter or her politics, but regarding views of Democrats, I have to whole heartedly agree. I'm yet to meet a Dem with a fully functional brain.

Hi, i'm tangent1138. i'm a Democrat. I'm quite intelligent.
I'm college educated, in the highest tax bracket, and I love my country.

It appears we disagree greatly on our political views, but I still respect your right as an American to have a different opinion.


There. You just met a Democrat with a fully functional brain.

You earn more than 326,000 dollars a year and yet you are a democrat that has tried to defeat all these tax cuts?

I'm calling shens on the fully functional brain part.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: tangent1138

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Good job pretty much proving her point.

I'm not a fan of Coulter or her politics, but regarding views of Democrats, I have to whole heartedly agree. I'm yet to meet a Dem with a fully functional brain.

Hi, i'm tangent1138. i'm a Democrat. I'm quite intelligent.
I'm college educated, in the highest tax bracket, and I love my country.

It appears we disagree greatly on our political views, but I still respect your right as an American to have a different opinion.


There. You just met a Democrat with a fully functional brain.

You earn more than 326,000 dollars a year and yet you are a democrat that has tried to defeat all these tax cuts?

I'm calling shens on the fully functional brain part.

I second the shens.

 

[Tom]

Actually, you'd have to make more than 326.000 a year for it to be rational to support the tax cuts.

Besides the immediate tax rate, you have to consider what effect 10 trillion dollars of debt will have on the value of the dollar. I would estimate you'd have to make 3-5 million per year to break even.

 

[OrByte]

HA!

I really don't understand the fuss with this person. She is taking the widows tragedy, and trying to make a political point.

Which is exactly what the widows are doing too...minus the cuss and venom.

so this is supposed to make Ann Coulter look better and smarter?

HA!

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: tangent1138

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Good job pretty much proving her point.

I'm not a fan of Coulter or her politics, but regarding views of Democrats, I have to whole heartedly agree. I'm yet to meet a Dem with a fully functional brain.

Hi, i'm tangent1138. i'm a Democrat. I'm quite intelligent.
I'm college educated, in the highest tax bracket, and I love my country.

It appears we disagree greatly on our political views, but I still respect your right as an American to have a different opinion.


There. You just met a Democrat with a fully functional brain.

You earn more than 326,000 dollars a year and yet you are a democrat that has tried to defeat all these tax cuts?

I'm calling shens on the fully functional brain part.

:roll:

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Tom
Actually, you'd have to make more than 326.000 a year for it to be rational to support the tax cuts.

Besides the immediate tax rate, you have to consider what effect 10 trillion dollars of debt will have on the value of the dollar. I would estimate you'd have to make 3-5 million per year to break even.

The tax cuts have nothing to do with the deficit. It is the out of control spending that is causing the deficit.

 

[Minjin]

Originally posted by: Tom
Besides the immediate tax rate, you have to consider what effect 10 trillion dollars of debt will have on the value of the dollar. I would estimate you'd have to make 3-5 million per year to break even.

Can you provide for us the calculations you used to obtain that figure?

Mark

 

[whistleclient]

Originally posted by: spidey07


You earn more than 326,000 dollars a year and yet you are a democrat that has tried to defeat all these tax cuts?

I'm calling shens on the fully functional brain part.

Nice. I tried to engage you as an equal. Obviously someone who disagrees with you must be less intelligent.

Why I'm a Democrat-- I disagree with the religious right. I don't need them dictating morality to me. I supported the war in Afghanistan and I'm saddened that we left the job unfinished to conduct a strategically and tactically flawed war in Iraq. I believe in fiscal conservatism, but George Bush certainly doesn't stand for that-- he's increased spending in every single department. The thing I want most from our President right now-- an Apollo program-esque mission to solve our dependence on oil-- he isn't doing because he's too close to oil money.

As to the money...

I don't mind paying my fair share. To be honest, I got to a point and found money doesn't really make me all that happy. I mean, it's nice to be financially secure and it's great be able to buy presents for my parents, but it doesn't make me happy. It does give me the freedom to volunteer part of my time at the VA hospital, though.

Personally, I'm always amazed at the paradox of the poorer Republicans supporting tax cuts that don't help them. I think it's because we're an incredibly optimistic society which would like to believe that becoming a millionaire is just around the corner.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: Minjin

Originally posted by: Tom
Besides the immediate tax rate, you have to consider what effect 10 trillion dollars of debt will have on the value of the dollar. I would estimate you'd have to make 3-5 million per year to break even.

Can you provide for us the calculations you used to obtain that figure?

Mark

Figure an inflation rate of 5-10% and the fact that with the tax cuts the richer you are, the smaller the percentage of your income you have to pay in taxes. Some one making $325k probably pays 25%, someone making 5 million probably pays 15-20%.

Nobody can say what effect a 10 trillion dollar debt will have, since there's never been a country wih a debt that big. So it's just my opinion.

 

[0roo0roo]

even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

problem with people like ann coulter is they are disingeuous and will essentially lie by bending the truth so far that it breaks to make their points. whether its selective quoting or ignoring facts/studies.. its all dispicable. even al franken made a pretty good case against her. as for her arguements, the problem is people like her don't use critical thinking. they rely on arguements full of logical fallacies hoping people are too dumb to notice such reasoning is invalid.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Tom
Actually, you'd have to make more than 326.000 a year for it to be rational to support the tax cuts.

Besides the immediate tax rate, you have to consider what effect 10 trillion dollars of debt will have on the value of the dollar. I would estimate you'd have to make 3-5 million per year to break even.

The tax cuts have nothing to do with the deficit. It is the out of control spending that is causing the deficit.

Take ideology out of the argument, from either side, and the fact is, it is both. There is no real plan to cut spending, just endless rhetoric and simple-minded proposals.

Unless you want to change that trend and suggest what $450 billion you would cut out of the current deficit ? (actually it's more like $600 billion with the "secret" war in Iraq.)

note- you can gas all the poor people and you won't make much of a dent.

 

[spidey07]

tangent1138,

So you're trying to tell me you WANT TO KEEP GETTING RAPED ON DIVIDENDS AND CAPITAL GAINS?

That's the point I was trying to make. Me personally, I don't.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Tom
Actually, you'd have to make more than 326.000 a year for it to be rational to support the tax cuts.

Besides the immediate tax rate, you have to consider what effect 10 trillion dollars of debt will have on the value of the dollar. I would estimate you'd have to make 3-5 million per year to break even.

The tax cuts have nothing to do with the deficit. It is the out of control spending that is causing the deficit.

Take ideology out of the argument, from either side, and the fact is, it is both. There is no real plan to cut spending, just endless rhetoric and simple-minded proposals.

Unless you want to change that trend and suggest what $450 billion you would cut out of the current deficit ? (actually it's more like $600 billion with the "secret" war in Iraq.)

note- you can gas all the poor people and you won't make much of a dent.

Has nothing to do with ideology...just basic math. Tax Revenues have increased since the tax cuts. Spending increases (not just dealing with Iraq, Afghanistan, and the War on Terror) have exceeded the increase in tax revenues. Ear Marks (ie Pork Barrel Spending) has gotten absolutely out of control the last few years.

 

[whistleclient]

Originally posted by: spidey07
tangent1138,

So you're trying to tell me you WANT TO KEEP GETTING RAPED ON DIVIDENDS AND CAPITAL GAINS?

That's the point I was trying to make. Me personally, I don't.

i believe i explained myself fully.

what good are capital gains and dividends when a nuke goes off in New York or Chicago or Seattle because George Bush made the entire Middle East hate us?

i think you want simple answers to complicated problems and you seem obsessed with money.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: tangent1138

Originally posted by: spidey07
tangent1138,

So you're trying to tell me you WANT TO KEEP GETTING RAPED ON DIVIDENDS AND CAPITAL GAINS?

That's the point I was trying to make. Me personally, I don't.

i believe i explained myself fully.

what good are capital gains and dividends when a nuke goes off in New York or Chicago or Seattle because George Bush made the entire Middle East hate us?

i think you want simple answers to complicated problems and you seem obsessed with money.

Hmm. I think you really are a repulican in disguise. Your values certainly are what our party caters to.

Got money? Check
Want strong National Security? Check
Likes family? Check

Come on over partner!

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: tangent1138

Originally posted by: spidey07
tangent1138,

So you're trying to tell me you WANT TO KEEP GETTING RAPED ON DIVIDENDS AND CAPITAL GAINS?

That's the point I was trying to make. Me personally, I don't.

i believe i explained myself fully.

what good are capital gains and dividends when a nuke goes off in New York or Chicago or Seattle because George Bush made the entire Middle East hate us?

i think you want simple answers to complicated problems and you seem obsessed with money.

So 9/11 happened because Bush was elected? 😕

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: tangent1138
Why I'm a Democrat-- I disagree with the religious right. I don't need them dictating morality to me.

Wow. I thought morality was a good thing.

Take a look at my sig and guess who wrote that.