Ann Coulter comments on Martin and Zimmerman

[woolfe9999]

I disagree. The MSM didn't accidentally select smiling 12 year old Trayvon and apparent mug shot Zimmerman, and maintain those pictures for a month, by accident. This is a story the MSM is very interested in moving forward to Zimmerman's conviction.

Each person can decide for herself the possible mix of agenda, social justice, political correctness, fear of appearing racist (or insufficiently anti-racist), and desire for ratings drives that bias.

What do you think plays better for ratings, a picture of a cute 12 year old or someone less cute and older? You can assume a political purpose if it suits you to do so, but I find the rule of thumb is that when a for profit business is acting in such a way as to maximize profits, there is no need to assume any other motives. Big media corporations are obligated to maximize profits for their shareholders. No other explanations are needed. It's occam's razor.

 

[PokerGuy]

First, I'm pretty sure several posts in this thread by JoS violate the "no personal insult" rules, he should get a vacation.

Second, it's a pretty rare occurrence, but I agree with Coulter 100% on this. I personally think Z's version of events don't make a whole lot of sense, but since I wasn't there I'm going to see what the police investigation / charge / trial indicate before joining the mob. There is such a thing as "due process" and "innocent until proven guilty", but the left wing PC media have made a mockery of it.

 

[soundforbjt]

First, I'm pretty sure several posts in this thread by JoS violate the "no personal insult" rules, he should get a vacation.

Second, it's a pretty rare occurrence, but I agree with Coulter 100% on this. I personally think Z's version of events don't make a whole lot of sense, but since I wasn't there I'm going to see what the police investigation / charge / trial indicate before joining the mob. There is such a thing as "due process" and "innocent until proven guilty", but the left wing PC media have made a mockery of it.

And the police has made a mockery of their investigation.

 

[PokerGuy]

And the police has made a mockery of their investigation.

... and you know this.. how? Considering you don't have access to any facts other than what the media chooses to tell you. The police have access to facts and the resources to investigate. If you think they've done a lousy job, fine, but that still doesn't mean you can call for mob "justice" against someone who hasn't been convicted of anything.

 

[werepossum]

What do you think plays better for ratings, a picture of a cute 12 year old or someone less cute and older? You can assume a political purpose if it suits you to do so, but I find the rule of thumb is that when a for profit business is acting in such a way as to maximize profits, there is no need to assume any other motives. Big media corporations are obligated to maximize profits for their shareholders. No other explanations are needed. It's occam's razor.

Certainly a picture of a cute 12 year old plays better. But do you really think the media is inciting our cities to be burned, our stores looted, and people murdered just for higher advert pricing? Wouldn't their perceived need for great social change make these things seem much more reasonable?

But as I said, each is free to make his own determinations.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Certainly a picture of a cute 12 year old plays better. But do you really think the media is inciting our cities to be burned, our stores looted, and people murdered just for higher advert pricing? Wouldn't their perceived need for great social change make these things seem much more reasonable?

But as I said, each is free to make his own determinations.

You get the media you pay for, not news but the propaganda you want to hear and thus will buy.

Kinda like our the daily fail (something only an American would ever quote something from or link to because of that exact reason, at least we know when we're being fed bullsheit)

 

[blankslate]

Now that the shooting is over a month old and we have a thread that's over 9,000 amateur posts long on this subject I think it's time for some sensible commentary by professionals. Here's Ann Coulter's commentary.
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2012-03-28.html#read_more



That's her take on it. From what i've read and seen and heard I disagree with her on a some points she makes and agree on others. No surprise there's things in this case that I agree with soundforbjt on also. I'm still waiting for the investigation to be complete , especially the forensics part of it.

Sorry but Ann Coulter is about as credible as many conservatives find Bill Maher.

 

[soundforbjt]

... and you know this.. how? Considering you don't have access to any facts other than what the media chooses to tell you. The police have access to facts and the resources to investigate. If you think they've done a lousy job, fine, but that still doesn't mean you can call for mob "justice" against someone who hasn't been convicted of anything.

Haven't done that. I want Z to have his day in court. Guilty or not, that's for a jury of his peers to decide.

 

[PokerGuy]

Haven't done that. I want Z to have his day in court. Guilty or not, that's for a jury of his peers to decide.

He should only have a "day in court" if, according to the law, there is enough evidence to even charge him with something. Up to this point, that has not been shown to be the case. If there's even a shred of evidence, he will be charged and there will be a trial. Why should someone have "a day in court" if there's no evidence they did anything wrong?

 

[PokerGuy]

Sorry but Ann Coulter is about as credible as many conservatives find Bill Maher.

Nobody is saying you should find her credible, but the points she makes are valid. Pretend for a second that someone you find credible wrote that piece, would your conclusion be any different? It shouldn't.

 

[Vic Vega]

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[soundforbjt]

He should only have a "day in court" if, according to the law, there is enough evidence to even charge him with something. Up to this point, that has not been shown to be the case. If there's even a shred of evidence, he will be charged and there will be a trial. Why should someone have "a day in court" if there's no evidence they did anything wrong?

There's this little thing called a dead body, that he admitting to causing.

 

[blankslate]

Nobody is saying you should find her credible, but the points she makes are valid. Pretend for a second that someone you find credible wrote that piece, would your conclusion be any different? It shouldn't.

If someone else wrote that piece I'd wonder what got up their ass

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

You know, you can read similar pieces of propaganda from Himler, i'm fairly sure this one is a direct paraphrase just used for fun.

I'll try to find the piece, basically it's about how you should never be ashamed of your hate, you are entitled to it, THEY are the problem, now you, THIS group is responsible and you are doing good to hate them for it.

And you fall for it like good little nazis, lol. It's more convoluted though and she PRETENDS to see both ways but REALLY read the text, it's pure hate speech.

 

[PokerGuy]

There's this little thing called a dead body, that he admitting to causing.

That is not evidence of his wrongdoing. There's a legal system to determine whether what he did was wrong (illegal) or not.

 

[Lemon law]

Its one thing to say each of us are free to make our own determinations, but only two entities are allowed to legally prosecute Zimmerman, as the rest of our opinions count for nothing. But if the State of Florida can't do their job responsibly, the Federal justice department is not only already running their own investigation, the Feds also have the power and option to prosecute Zimmerman.

There is also a certain history here, that dates back to the Jim Crow South, when it common for local Southern juries to knee jerk refuse to convict a "white man" of the murder of any " black man or woman." Which is why the civil rights laws contain clauses that the US Justice Department is allowed to convict such miscreants with with violating the civil rights of people like Trevon Martin. On the whole, Zimmerman should maybe cop a plea for murder with Florida, because an equally harsh Federal sentence require serving each and every day of the sentence period incurred before becoming eligible for parole. While its common that State sentences will allow a parole in half the time.

 

[Attic]

What do you think plays better for ratings, a picture of a cute 12 year old or someone less cute and older? You can assume a political purpose if it suits you to do so, but I find the rule of thumb is that when a for profit business is acting in such a way as to maximize profits, there is no need to assume any other motives. Big media corporations are obligated to maximize profits for their shareholders. No other explanations are needed. It's occam's razor.

I typically see your side, but this doesn't sound right.

Shown in your first sentance, if you agree the media has largely misrepresented the story for profit, I don't see how this motivation would act to dismisses politics from playing a role in the reporting. It rather provides evidence that politics played a role in the story, especially given this particular story has been molded (politics?) into a race issue in order to generate higher ratings.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

That is not evidence of his wrongdoing. There's a legal system to determine whether what he did was wrong (illegal) or not.

Undamaged man not in need of so much a straightening of his broken nose or stitches from when he was viciously slammed into the ground several times and now his 13 year old witness says the police coerced him into talking.

Yeah, Zimmerman has got something going here.

Thing is, according to Jeb Bush he doesn't get to use the Stand Your Ground law since he was following Martin, then he has to PROVE that he had to kill him, to use a defense, you have to prove it, Zimmermans defense was taken from him by the ultraliberal comminazi marxistmuslim Jeb Bush.

And quite frankly, i don't think Zimmerman can do that. No pics of his injuries, no signs of a struggle, only witness denies and says he was being coerced, a 13 year old, other witnesses stating it was Martin who screamed.

At the very least i expect us to hear martin scream in a court of law and even if he admits to killing him because he was black, Whitey007 will still claim his innocence and say it was the right thing to do.

 

[monovillage]

I am still chuckling at our OP's monovillage opening paragraph of, "Now that the shooting is over a month old and we have a thread that's over 9,000 amateur posts long on this subject I think it's time for some sensible commentary by professionals. Here's Ann Coulter's commentary.

Calling Ann Coulter a professional responsible news commentator is a total contradictions in terms.

I'm glad you got a laugh out of it. That was my intention.

 

[woolfe9999]

Certainly a picture of a cute 12 year old plays better. But do you really think the media is inciting our cities to be burned, our stores looted, and people murdered just for higher advert pricing? Wouldn't their perceived need for great social change make these things seem much more reasonable?

But as I said, each is free to make his own determinations.

I'm not seeing such widespread dramatic events over this, but even if we were, yes, the media will do anything to make a profit. They are no different than any other corporations.

 

[Lemon law]

The other thing to maybe say, is that their is a general lack of hard evidence on exactly what happened. As we only have the Zimmerman version and a dead Martin can't tell us anything.

But sadly, IMHO, the Florida police accepted only the Zimmerman version without investigating if it was fact or total fiction.


The fact is and remains, will the lack of a proper police investigation and its daughter product of lack of collaboration of the Zimmerman version benefit or hurt Zimmerman.

As Zimmerman has his own version he can't prove either. Making the established fact that Zimmerman should have stayed in his own car all the more damning.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

The other thing to maybe say, is that their is a general lack of hard evidence on exactly what happened. As we only have the Zimmerman version and a dead Martin can't tell us anything.

But sadly, IMHO, the Florida police accepted only the Zimmerman version without investigating if it was fact or total fiction.


The fact is and remains, will the lack of a proper police investigation and its daughter product of lack of collaboration of the Zimmerman version benefit or hurt Zimmerman.

As Zimmerman has his own version he can't prove either. Making the established fact that Zimmerman should have stayed in his own car all the more damning.

I'm just wondering how you'll pin this on Israel, with every single post you make i'm expecting you to do so.

That is how much of a joke you have become.


No insults or personal attacks.

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[JohnOfSheffield]

I'm not seeing such widespread dramatic events over this, but even if we were, yes, the media will do anything to make a profit. They are no different than any other corporations.

Hey, it's the LIBERAL MSM, if they say Hitler was bad Conservatives will protest en masse.

 

[a777pilot]

Just what we don't need. Another fucking thread on the Zimmerman/Martin shooting with everyone opining about what they have no knowledge of or facts on.

Stupid is as stupid does.

 

[etrigan420]

Just what we don't need. Another fucking thread on the Zimmerman/Martin shooting with everyone opining about what they have no knowledge of or facts on.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Holy shit man...you're *alive*?

Oh, and "grumble grumble grumble, black kid, white (but not really...but does it matter?) dude, stand your ground, skittles, guns", just to keep it on topic.

I would do things to Ann Coulter that would make her ashamed to be a transvestite.