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Animal Rights Group goes after Sarah Palin

Iron Woode

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29018952/

I see they are using a has-been who never was as their spokeswoman. I guess that's what you resort to when your career has run its course.

Keep reaching for that 15 mins of fame.

PS: I do not trust any animal rights group and their propaganda to tell me the unbiased truth.
 
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Ashley Judd > Palin.

Aerial Hunting = Weak sauce

This

They aren't killing the wolves out of pleasure. The wolves were feeding on the caribou to the point of extinction. Since the implementation of this program, the caribou herd population has rebounded.

 
if you can hit a wolf from an airplane, you're a better shot than me. :thumbsup: i'm all for shootin' critters. 😀
 
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Ashley Judd > Palin.

Aerial Hunting = Weak sauce

This

They aren't killing the wolves out of pleasure. The wolves were feeding on the caribou to the point of extinction. Since the implementation of this program, the caribou herd population has rebounded.

i see what you did there ... logic has no place in this discussion.
 
Originally posted by: JDub02
if you can hit a wolf from an airplane, you're a better shot than me. :thumbsup: i'm all for shootin' critters. 😀

If you can do it on the ground, you're a better hunter than a flying one.
 
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Ashley Judd > Palin.

Aerial Hunting = Weak sauce

This

They aren't killing the wolves out of pleasure. The wolves were feeding on the caribou to the point of extinction. Since the implementation of this program, the caribou herd population has rebounded.

If this is accurate, the wildlife group needs a nice warm glass of STFU.
 
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29018952/

I see they are using a has-been who never was as their spokeswoman. I guess that's what you resort to when your career has run its course.

Keep reaching for that 15 mins of fame.

PS: I do not trust any animal rights group and their propaganda to tell me the unbiased truth.

so, somebody disagrees with you or your buddy sarah, and the best you could come up with are a few erroneous attacks on the state of her acting career. btw, who do you trust to tell you the unbiased truth?

2/10, very weak sauce.
 
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Ashley Judd > Palin.

Aerial Hunting = Weak sauce

This

They aren't killing the wolves out of pleasure. The wolves were feeding on the caribou to the point of extinction. Since the implementation of this program, the caribou herd population has rebounded.

If this is accurate, the wildlife group needs a nice warm glass of STFU.

Anchorage Daily News

Slaughtering wolves on the Alaska Peninsula appears to have had the desired effect -- more caribou got a chance to live, according to biologists with the Alaska Department of Fish and Game.

As ugly and as politically incorrect as the wolf killing might seem to some, they said, the helicopter gunning that took place earlier this year saved caribou, especially young caribou, from being eaten alive.

Fall surveys of the Southern Alaska Peninsula caribou herd completed in October found an average of 39 calves per 100 cows. That's a dramatic improvement from fall counts of only 1 calf per 100 cows in 2006 and 2007.

...

In this case, however, even some groups staunchly opposed to Alaska wolf-control efforts are conceding the removal of 28 wolves appears to have played a major role in caribou calf survival.

...

The southern peninsula caribou has been in a free fall for several years.

Numbering almost 5,000 animals at the start of this decade, the southern herd had shrunk to about 600 caribou by last year. A joint state-federal management plans calls for maintaining a herd of 3,000 to 3,500 animals to provide for local subsistence needs and the general productivity of the ecosystem.

...

What was fueling the decline, researchers said, was the high ratio of predators -- bears and wolves -- to prey in the area. The predators were killing and eating caribou faster than the animals could reproduce, leaving the population nowhere to go but down.
 
Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29018952/

I see they are using a has-been who never was as their spokeswoman. I guess that's what you resort to when your career has run its course.

Keep reaching for that 15 mins of fame.

PS: I do not trust any animal rights group and their propaganda to tell me the unbiased truth.

so, somebody disagrees with you or your buddy sarah, and the best you could come up with are a few erroneous attacks on the state of her acting career. btw, who do you trust to tell you the unbiased truth?

2/10, very weak sauce.
blah blah blah whatever blah blah blah
 
Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler
Originally posted by: Iron Woode
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29018952/

I see they are using a has-been who never was as their spokeswoman. I guess that's what you resort to when your career has run its course.

Keep reaching for that 15 mins of fame.

PS: I do not trust any animal rights group and their propaganda to tell me the unbiased truth.

so, somebody disagrees with you or your buddy sarah, and the best you could come up with are a few erroneous attacks on the state of her acting career. btw, who do you trust to tell you the unbiased truth?

2/10, very weak sauce.


Well duh... Faux news... fair and something... 😕

 
I understand their attempts to regulate this. But what about tranquilizing them and moving them to the lower 48? I know there are programs to reintroduce the wolf in states like MN, Montana, Wyoming, and Idaho.

One of the unexpected results of killing the wolf population off in the lower 48 was an explosion in the coyote populations. People killed wolves because they killed livestock. But the coyotes do more damage due to being more populace. Wolves will kill coyotes in their territory.
 
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: JDub02
if you can hit a wolf from an airplane, you're a better shot than me. :thumbsup: i'm all for shootin' critters. 😀

If you can do it on the ground, you're a better hunter than a flying one.

Yeah, because everything is a stone's throw away in Alaska. Don't forget all those paved roads.
 
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Ashley Judd > Palin.

Aerial Hunting = Weak sauce

This

They aren't killing the wolves out of pleasure. The wolves were feeding on the caribou to the point of extinction. Since the implementation of this program, the caribou herd population has rebounded.

Thank god! Nature intended for a species to go extinct and we saved them! Woohoo! Take THAT, nature!
 
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: JDub02
if you can hit a wolf from an airplane, you're a better shot than me. :thumbsup: i'm all for shootin' critters. 😀

If you can do it on the ground, you're a better hunter than a flying one.

how do you figure? on the ground, you can remain hidden, quiet and shoot from a stable, stationary position, usually much closer than from a helicopter. that copter is loud, scares the animals and is much farther from the target. id say it would be a bit more difficult to do from the air.
 
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Ashley Judd > Palin.

Aerial Hunting = Weak sauce

This

They aren't killing the wolves out of pleasure. The wolves were feeding on the caribou to the point of extinction. Since the implementation of this program, the caribou herd population has rebounded.

If this is accurate, the wildlife group needs a nice warm glass of STFU.

Anchorage Daily News

Slaughtering wolves on the Alaska Peninsula appears to have had the desired effect -- more caribou got a chance to live, according to biologists with the Alaska Department of Fish and Game.

As ugly and as politically incorrect as the wolf killing might seem to some, they said, the helicopter gunning that took place earlier this year saved caribou, especially young caribou, from being eaten alive.

Fall surveys of the Southern Alaska Peninsula caribou herd completed in October found an average of 39 calves per 100 cows. That's a dramatic improvement from fall counts of only 1 calf per 100 cows in 2006 and 2007.

...

In this case, however, even some groups staunchly opposed to Alaska wolf-control efforts are conceding the removal of 28 wolves appears to have played a major role in caribou calf survival.

...

The southern peninsula caribou has been in a free fall for several years.

Numbering almost 5,000 animals at the start of this decade, the southern herd had shrunk to about 600 caribou by last year. A joint state-federal management plans calls for maintaining a herd of 3,000 to 3,500 animals to provide for local subsistence needs and the general productivity of the ecosystem.

...

What was fueling the decline, researchers said, was the high ratio of predators -- bears and wolves -- to prey in the area. The predators were killing and eating caribou faster than the animals could reproduce, leaving the population nowhere to go but down.

i don't see why they should protect this species. if they can't reproduce fast enough then that's the species fault, not the hunter (wolf/bear).

 
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Ashley Judd > Palin.

Aerial Hunting = Weak sauce

This

They aren't killing the wolves out of pleasure. The wolves were feeding on the caribou to the point of extinction. Since the implementation of this program, the caribou herd population has rebounded.

If this is accurate, the wildlife group needs a nice warm glass of STFU.

Anchorage Daily News

Slaughtering wolves on the Alaska Peninsula appears to have had the desired effect -- more caribou got a chance to live, according to biologists with the Alaska Department of Fish and Game.

As ugly and as politically incorrect as the wolf killing might seem to some, they said, the helicopter gunning that took place earlier this year saved caribou, especially young caribou, from being eaten alive.

Fall surveys of the Southern Alaska Peninsula caribou herd completed in October found an average of 39 calves per 100 cows. That's a dramatic improvement from fall counts of only 1 calf per 100 cows in 2006 and 2007.

...

In this case, however, even some groups staunchly opposed to Alaska wolf-control efforts are conceding the removal of 28 wolves appears to have played a major role in caribou calf survival.

...

The southern peninsula caribou has been in a free fall for several years.

Numbering almost 5,000 animals at the start of this decade, the southern herd had shrunk to about 600 caribou by last year. A joint state-federal management plans calls for maintaining a herd of 3,000 to 3,500 animals to provide for local subsistence needs and the general productivity of the ecosystem.

...

What was fueling the decline, researchers said, was the high ratio of predators -- bears and wolves -- to prey in the area. The predators were killing and eating caribou faster than the animals could reproduce, leaving the population nowhere to go but down.


Strange, I haven't heard of this issue until Iron Wood posted it in ATOT, so I'm certainly no expert or overly staked in this issue. But I keep seeing that Fish and Wildlife Biologists say the science doesn't support the Aerial Hunting.

A raft of scientists has argued that Palin has provided little evidence that the current program of systematically killing wolves, estimated at a population of 7,000 to 11,000, will result in more moose for hunters. State estimates of moose populations have come under scrutiny. Some wildlife biologists say predator control advocates don't even understand what wolves eat.

State officials stand by their scientific findings on predator control. "Several times over the past several years, our science has been challenged in court," says Bruce Bartley, a spokesman for the Alaska Department of Fish and Game. "In every instance it has prevailed."


Gordon Haber is a wildlife scientist who has studied wolves in Alaska for 43 years. "On wildlife-related issues, whether it is polar bears or predator controls, she has shown no inclination to be objective," he says of Palin. "I cannot find credible scientific data to support their arguments," he adds about the state's rationale for gunning down wolves. "In most cases, there is evidence to the contrary."

Last year, 172 scientists signed a letter to Palin, expressing concern about the lack of science behind the state's wolf-killing operation. According to the scientists, state officials set population objectives for moose and caribou based on "unattainable, unsustainable historically high populations." As a result, the "inadequately designed predator control programs" threatened the long-term health of both the ungulate and wolf populations. The scientists concluded with a plea to Palin to consider the conservation of wolves and bears "on an equal basis with the goal of producing more ungulates for hunters."

http://www.salon.com/env/featu...08/sarah_palin_wolves/
 
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: JDub02
if you can hit a wolf from an airplane, you're a better shot than me. :thumbsup: i'm all for shootin' critters. 😀

If you can do it on the ground, you're a better hunter than a flying one.

how do you figure? on the ground, you can remain hidden, quiet and shoot from a stable, stationary position, usually much closer than from a helicopter. that copter is loud, scares the animals and is much farther from the target. id say it would be a bit more difficult to do from the air.

Good luck with that.
 
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Originally posted by: JDub02
if you can hit a wolf from an airplane, you're a better shot than me. :thumbsup: i'm all for shootin' critters. 😀

If you can do it on the ground, you're a better hunter than a flying one.

how do you figure? on the ground, you can remain hidden, quiet and shoot from a stable, stationary position, usually much closer than from a helicopter. that copter is loud, scares the animals and is much farther from the target. id say it would be a bit more difficult to do from the air.

Good luck with that.

with what? i didnt say i was gonna charter a chopper and do it, lol. id take the easy way out and kill em from the ground.

afaik, there is still a $50 bounty on coyote tails here in az. i had a friend about 9 yrs ago that would hunt them in queen creek and turn them in.
 
Originally posted by: rasczak
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Capt Caveman
Originally posted by: Turin39789
Ashley Judd > Palin.

Aerial Hunting = Weak sauce

This

They aren't killing the wolves out of pleasure. The wolves were feeding on the caribou to the point of extinction. Since the implementation of this program, the caribou herd population has rebounded.

If this is accurate, the wildlife group needs a nice warm glass of STFU.

Anchorage Daily News

Slaughtering wolves on the Alaska Peninsula appears to have had the desired effect -- more caribou got a chance to live, according to biologists with the Alaska Department of Fish and Game.

As ugly and as politically incorrect as the wolf killing might seem to some, they said, the helicopter gunning that took place earlier this year saved caribou, especially young caribou, from being eaten alive.

Fall surveys of the Southern Alaska Peninsula caribou herd completed in October found an average of 39 calves per 100 cows. That's a dramatic improvement from fall counts of only 1 calf per 100 cows in 2006 and 2007.

...

In this case, however, even some groups staunchly opposed to Alaska wolf-control efforts are conceding the removal of 28 wolves appears to have played a major role in caribou calf survival.

...

The southern peninsula caribou has been in a free fall for several years.

Numbering almost 5,000 animals at the start of this decade, the southern herd had shrunk to about 600 caribou by last year. A joint state-federal management plans calls for maintaining a herd of 3,000 to 3,500 animals to provide for local subsistence needs and the general productivity of the ecosystem.

...

What was fueling the decline, researchers said, was the high ratio of predators -- bears and wolves -- to prey in the area. The predators were killing and eating caribou faster than the animals could reproduce, leaving the population nowhere to go but down.

i don't see why they should protect this species. if they can't reproduce fast enough then that's the species fault, not the hunter (wolf/bear).

You're absolutely right. It must just be coincidence more species are going extinct or had their hunting grounds altered around the same time mankind's population and civilization exploded. :disgust:

People who spend their lives in a cubicle rarely understand the real impact man has on the balance of nature.
 
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