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sandorski

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Oct 10, 1999
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Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Originally posted by: sandorski
Don't know, never tried any.
I'd be glad to sell you some... see my last edits above for the product details. :p

If I come across a Recipe that calls for it, I'll PM you for some. :p
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Craig234
The Washington Times is a propaganda rag, created by the Rev. Moon to serve the Republican party with whom he successfully ingratiated himself.
The article wasn't written by Moon thought.

It was written by Victor Davis Hanson who is a well known historian and columnist who has a PH.D from Stanford and was a professor at CSU Fresno for 20+ years.

Oh... and BTW this article is syndicated by Tribune Media Services and can be found in dozens of newspapers nation wide.

/Craig's strawman.

Well, there's another misleading PJ post.

My condemnation of the Washington Times is very well deserved.

As for this particular author you defend as not being right-wing -

He's with the right-wing Hoover Institution. The first interview I found with him was done by the web site "Right Wing News".

In the interview, he spouted the typical right-wing views, such as how we'd have won Vietnam with a little more violence.

Or take this sample, which sensible people will perhaps laugh at in horror, showing how right-wingers justify extreme violence often against civilians.

In in, about the Iraq War in which perhaps a million Iraqis of a population of 28 million have been killed, the question they have is, 'should our troops have created more terror':

John Hawkins: I agree. Here's something you wrote in a column last year,

"Small armies, whether those of Caesar, Alexander, or Hernan Cortés can defeat enormous enemies and hold vast amounts of territory - but only if they are used audaciously and establish the immediate reputation that they are lethal and dangerous to confront. Deterrence, not numbers, creates tranquility and the two are not always synonymous."

Keeping that in mind, do you think that we have been lethal enough in fighting the war on terror or have we, in an effort to be compassionate, held back too much and paradoxically, caused more civilians and more of our own troops to be killed?

Victor Davis Hanson: I think we have. I think that Fallujah, the first encirclement of Fallujah and the withdrawal, is one of the worst military decisions since Mogadishu, perhaps since Vietnam, because when you start to do that, then you create a self-fulfilling prophecy. When soldiers are in junta force protection or they?re just into garrison duty, then there?s always a greater cry for more and more soldiers.

When they?re audacious and they?re on the offensive and they?re killing the enemy, then there?s going to be less of the enemy and they?re going to get a reputation for ferocity. As you know, we were no safer in Vietnam with 525,000 in 1967. We were no better off than we were with 25,000 in 1971 or 1972. So it?s not the number per se.

For another note on the guy's views, they ask about his reading - and it's all either far-right (most) or a bit is 'middle', none left of that:

John Hawkins: Last two questions; Are there any blogs you're reading regularly or semi-regularly these days?

Victor Davis Hanson: I do about 3 things. I read a lot of internet magazines, especially the foreign Arab news, Le Monde, and then I read a lot of internet magazines, National Review Online, Weekly Standard online, that kind of stuff online.

Then I do read, let me think: I look at yours, Right Wing News; I look at Little Green Footballs. I look at, I guess it?s called Powerline, Instapundit and RealClearPolitics. I look at all of them, just not every day, but I try to keep up. Then I read some of these Iraqi blogs and military blogs, the names escape me, but I see them, listed and cross-listing & I always look to them.

The first thing he says are the radical (in modern times) National Review (which Buckley's son left in protest over the radicalism), and the Neocon Kristol rag Weekly Standard.

No, this guy is not worth reading IMO. And your response was very misleading, leaving out the pertinent info about this guy IMO.
 

ProfJohn

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Jul 28, 2006
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Craig... you attacked the guy because the article in the OP was from the Washington Times as if that is a sign of the apocalypse.

As I pointed out the Washington Times has NOTHING to do with this piece or the writer. The guy is syndicated to dozens, if not hundreds, of papers across the country.

You can find the exact same article as the OP in many papers if you look around, thus you whole "Washington Times Rev. Moon" bit is meaningless BS aka a strawman that has nothing to do with the content of the article.

Oh... and BTW I notice you are still attacking the messenger and ignoring what he actually said.
 

Tab

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This article is just terrible. Would prefer Al Gore rode a bike to work and lived in a tent instead? The president of the United States admits he "spoke too soon" about the situation with henry Gates...

Whatever, this sort of behavior will only help Obama to win in 2012. Keep up the good work cons! :D:thumbsup:
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Craig... you attacked the guy because the article in the OP was from the Washington Times as if that is a sign of the apocalypse.

As I pointed out the Washington Times has NOTHING to do with this piece or the writer. The guy is syndicated to dozens, if not hundreds, of papers across the country.

You can find the exact same article as the OP in many papers if you look around, thus you whole "Washington Times Rev. Moon" bit is meaningless BS aka a strawman that has nothing to do with the content of the article.

Oh... and BTW I notice you are still attacking the messenger and ignoring what he actually said.

Paul Krugman is syndicated widely too, but you don't find him in the Washington Times, now do you?

The fact is that of syndicated writers, papers select which ones they publish, and the Washington Times has a long record of consistently publishing radical right-wingers.

It has long earned a presumption not to read what it publishes - although I'm sure you can find some decent things in it on occassion.

I'm sure you can find something the KKK Grand Wizard or Charles Manson have said that's not terrible, as well, but you don't go around citing them for discussion.

Bottom line, this writer is a far-right wing author who fits the presumption I mentioned, I'm not interested in someone who says such absurd things - and you made a misleading description of him in his defense, and then dodged that fact,not wanting any accountability for it, in your response.
 

ProfJohn

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Craig, you still have yet to do anything other than attack the writer.

What about the content of his article?

Al Gore lectures us about saving the world, but has a carbon foot print that is hundreds of times that of an average American.

Gates cries racism over his arrest and yet everyone on the scene, including a black cop, claims that Gates acted strange.

John Edwards gives his speech about two Americas, and then returns to his million dollar mansion paid for by suing the same insurance companies that he attacks for being greedy.

Dodd, talks about corporate greed, but then turns around and takes sweet heart deals from that same companies.

The Democrat party is controlled by a bunch of rich fat cats who think they know the solutions to a bunch of problems that they have never faced in their lives and who provide solutions that they turn around and exempt themselves from.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Craig234
The Washington Times is a propaganda rag, created by the Rev. Moon to serve the Republican party with whom he successfully ingratiated himself.
The article wasn't written by Moon thought.

It was written by Victor Davis Hanson who is a well known historian and columnist who has a PH.D from Stanford and was a professor at CSU Fresno for 20+ years.

Oh... and BTW this article is syndicated by Tribune Media Services and can be found in dozens of newspapers nation wide.

/Craig's strawman.

Well, there's another misleading PJ post.

My condemnation of the Washington Times is very well deserved.

As for this particular author you defend as not being right-wing -

He never said any such thing. Nice rant though. Feel better?
 

Phokus

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Nov 20, 1999
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Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
wait, there are rich liberals?! :Q

That's craziness!!

Stop kidding around.

Ever heard of Warren Buffet? And conservatives also like to rail against George Soros.

fix your meter my friend... I was taking a shot at all the extreme left morons who frequently equate wealth to the far right or Republicanism, while there are probably just as many "evil rich" Democrats.

Rich Democrats are basically rich people with a conscience :D
 

ProfJohn

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Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
Originally posted by: Phokus
Originally posted by: TheSkinsFan
wait, there are rich liberals?! :Q

That's craziness!!

Stop kidding around.

Ever heard of Warren Buffet? And conservatives also like to rail against George Soros.

fix your meter my friend... I was taking a shot at all the extreme left morons who frequently equate wealth to the far right or Republicanism, while there are probably just as many "evil rich" Democrats.

Rich Democrats are basically rich people with a guilty conscience :D
Fixed
 

microbial

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Washington Times: the paper of the super-duper overprivileged--complaining about rich anybody is patently laughable.

Big surprise they are whoring for the mega-CO2 emitting industries.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
He never said any such thing. Nice rant though. Feel better?

Yes, he did.

First, I criticized the source as being discredited radical right-wing, and PJ disagreed - by disagreeing with my criticism of it as right-wing, that's a start on saying it's not right-wing.

Then he went on to list a number of 'mainstream sounding' credentials for the author, while leaving out the many facts showing he is right-wing.

That was making a case that the author was not a far-right wing person.

You're wrong.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: blackangst1
He never said any such thing. Nice rant though. Feel better?

Yes, he did.

First, I criticized the source as being discredited radical right-wing, and PJ disagreed - by disagreeing with my criticism of it as right-wing, that's a start on saying it's not right-wing.

Then he went on to list a number of 'mainstream sounding' credentials for the author, while leaving out the many facts showing he is right-wing.

That was making a case that the author was not a far-right wing person.

You're wrong.

In this thread? No, he didnt. Heres a breakdown of what he actually said:

Responding to your attack on the owner of the rag, instead of the content, PJ replied:
The article wasn't written by Moon thought.(sic)

Which is true. It wasnt.

Then, he said this about the author:
It was written by Victor Davis Hanson who is a well known historian and columnist who has a PH.D from Stanford and was a professor at CSU Fresno for 20+ years.

which is also true, and no mention of party affiliation. Here's a synopsis of him.. And theres this: Hanson writes weekly columns for National Review and Tribune Media Services, and has been published in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, American Heritage, City Journal, The American Spectator, Policy Review, The New Criterion, and The Weekly Standard, among others.

And finally, PJ said:
BTW this article is syndicated by Tribune Media Services and can be found in dozens of newspapers nation wide.

which, again, is true. And that concludes PJ's post. I think maybe a dinner out might be in order for you. Get some fresh air or something. You seem to think any time someone disagrees with you it is due to not understanding, and you immediately jump to conclusions and start some twisted analysis of what the poster actually meant. Sorry Craig, youre way off base, and wrong.

So you are being disingenuous by saying he is discounted for being published in the rag.

His political leanings or party affiliation (he's a Democrat BTW) werent brought up until you threw it into the ring. For what reason? Who knows.