I don't doubt that at all, but I guess what I was thinking is that the kids don't really have to worry about any consequences of their actions. They know that they can misbehave and the worst punishment they'll get is sitting alone in a corner or in their room for some amount of time.
-Tom
The key is knowing what is important to the kid. If going to their room is no big deal to them, then it's not a punishment. I know of many relatives who don't spank and have the most behaved kids. For one of the daughters of my cousin, the absolute worst punishment she could get was her mom not talking to her. As you said, they have to feel that there's a consequence to their action (whether it be positive or negative).
Back to OP, why does anyone care about the story. The owner doesn't want noisy kids. And parents who don't want to go there won't. Everything works out. It's no different that movie theaters who have showings where no kids are allowed (adults can sit in relative peace) and showings where kids are encouraged (no worries about your kid running around making noise because everyone is).
halik
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I think for the most part it's white people in the US that picked up this kinda mentality. The whole spanking=taboo thing doesn't really exists in other other ethnic groups. I'm european and mom always used to spank the crap out of me to set me straight.... and it worked
From what I've heard, both indian and asian parents are pretty strict as far as controlling their kids behavior. So are eastern europeans from my experience.
I guess the newest thing is pop kids full of ritalin rather than spanking them... go figure
MaxDepth
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Like hell I'm going to give a to kids who misbehave just to shut them up. All that is doing is rewarding bad behavior.
And yes, I have asked parents if I could spank their little monsters for bad behavior. They might have called me something under their breath but they don't say anything directly to me because I look like a crazy man most of the time. (Picture Earl without a moustache) Usually they just grab their brat and leave. Which is fine by me and the other people around us.
to kids who misbehave just to shut them up. All that is doing is rewarding bad behavior.And yes, I have asked parents if I could spank their little monsters for bad behavior. They might have called me something under their breath but they don't say anything directly to me because I look like a crazy man most of the time. (Picture Earl without a moustache) Usually they just grab their brat and leave. Which is fine by me and the other people around us.
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I was gonna say that, but I didn't want to be labeled a racist
That being said, I've noticed that too. My family doesn't allow for that kinda crap. You act up, you either get a stern warning. You still act like a little brat and you get smacked on the hand. You still wanna be a little prick? Your ass is getting spanked.- :roll:
Funny how the same advocates of giving their own kids a swat, will NOT condone allowing the schools to do the same. And, explain to me why some teachers have total control of their students, WITHOUT CORPORAL PUNISHMENT, yet other teachers have all sorts of disciplinary problems with those exact same students?
Sounds like some people ought to spend a little less time dicking around forums, and a little more time learning how to parent!
JulesMaximus
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Well, there are times when kids will exhibit a little undesirable behavior but you as a parent need to correct that. If they don't behave there need to be consequences. It works, trust me.
These parents are acting like idiots. They should STFU and take some responsibility for the actions of their children.
CrackRabbit
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Parents are irresponsible these days. They just lounge around and let there kids run wild. I've seen kids get hurt, almost hurt, nearly killing themselves in stores, malls and public places with no parent supervision.
While I worked in retail, we even had a 10 yr old kid we caught trying to steal video games. His mom had dropped him off in the store for about 1/2 hr so she could run errands. Like the store is some kinda day care.
Or the time some kids presses every button in the elevator while his mom watches and says how cute hes being. I nearly smacked both of them upside down. NO RESPECT is what parents are teaching there kids. The next generation is going to be the one that blows themselves up.
Any parent that has a problem with there kids being respectful in public places has issues. They forget how they were brought up. Too bad.
While I worked in retail, we even had a 10 yr old kid we caught trying to steal video games. His mom had dropped him off in the store for about 1/2 hr so she could run errands. Like the store is some kinda day care.
Or the time some kids presses every button in the elevator while his mom watches and says how cute hes being. I nearly smacked both of them upside down. NO RESPECT is what parents are teaching there kids. The next generation is going to be the one that blows themselves up.
Any parent that has a problem with there kids being respectful in public places has issues. They forget how they were brought up. Too bad.
DrPizza
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littleprince is correct about parents being irresponsible.
I think that only about 30% of the blame goes to the kids for being out of control. The other 70% of the blame goes to the entitled parents who feel that since they're paying for the meal, the employees of the restaurant and the other patrons have to put up with the noise their child is making. The only thing worse is when the parent loses control and starts yelling loudly at the child, making the situation even more disruptive. Management and employees are at a loss - they can't ask the parents to keep their child under control or to leave, because then the parents start arguing and threaten to refuse to pay for their dinners - "If you make me leave, you can't make me pay for my dinner." I can recall several occasions where children ended up injured while running around out of control - while their parents sat and ate at a table. The kids weren't even in the dining section where the parents were.
The worse case, one lady came into our pizza shop every Sunday night with 3 completely out of control brats. One of the kids knocked over a gumball machine. Another, about 3 years old, had climbed up onto a pinball machine and was jumping up and down on it. She saw him, but ignored it. I finally told her, "Ma'am, since you are doing nothing to control your kids, and one of them was just jumping up and down on a sheet of glass where he could have been seriously injured, we don't want you to ever come back here with your kids, until they've learned to behave or you've learned to monitor their behavior" It pissed her off; she left without her order (and without paying.) But I guarantee, if one of the kids had been seriously injured, we'd have been sued.
I think that only about 30% of the blame goes to the kids for being out of control. The other 70% of the blame goes to the entitled parents who feel that since they're paying for the meal, the employees of the restaurant and the other patrons have to put up with the noise their child is making. The only thing worse is when the parent loses control and starts yelling loudly at the child, making the situation even more disruptive. Management and employees are at a loss - they can't ask the parents to keep their child under control or to leave, because then the parents start arguing and threaten to refuse to pay for their dinners - "If you make me leave, you can't make me pay for my dinner." I can recall several occasions where children ended up injured while running around out of control - while their parents sat and ate at a table. The kids weren't even in the dining section where the parents were.
The worse case, one lady came into our pizza shop every Sunday night with 3 completely out of control brats. One of the kids knocked over a gumball machine. Another, about 3 years old, had climbed up onto a pinball machine and was jumping up and down on it. She saw him, but ignored it. I finally told her, "Ma'am, since you are doing nothing to control your kids, and one of them was just jumping up and down on a sheet of glass where he could have been seriously injured, we don't want you to ever come back here with your kids, until they've learned to behave or you've learned to monitor their behavior" It pissed her off; she left without her order (and without paying.) But I guarantee, if one of the kids had been seriously injured, we'd have been sued.
The only person I can see this offending is the mother who spends hardly any time with her kids and has no control over them.
Thought of this topic when I read Dear Abby today:
BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION DINNER IS RUINED BY TANTRUMS IN STEREO
BIRTHDAY CELEBRATION DINNER IS RUINED BY TANTRUMS IN STEREO
- DEAR ABBY: What is the official Dear Abby position on screaming children in restaurants? My husband took my mother and me to a family restaurant to celebrate our birthdays, and two children from different families were screaming their lungs out. One of them, a child about 3, alternately screamed, begged, whined and threw tantrums the whole time. The other child was much younger, but seemed to be keying off the other child.
Abby, it was horrible! Our server could hardly hear us to take our order -- and I'm not exaggerating. We could not enjoy our dinner because of the piercing shrieks coming from both sides of the restaurant. Had I done that when I was little, my mother would have taken me outside, if only to make the atmosphere more pleasant for the other diners. The family with the older child ignored his behavior. This seems to happen more and more often, I've noticed.
The family finally left, but both my husband and I had splitting headaches from the noise. What, if anything, could we have done? The other diners were as uncomfortable as we were. -- WISH I'D HAD EARPLUGS, DECATUR, ALA.
DEAR WISH: Your party should have canceled your orders and celebrated the occasion at another restaurant once you realized the parents had no intention of intervening.
Something similar happened to my husband and me one night recently. The manager of the restaurant tolerated the disruption for approximately 10 minutes, then he approached their table and informed the parents they must stop the ruckus or take their large party and leave. When the door swung shut behind them, the entire restaurant broke into applause.
Zebo
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These days Kids are brats..moms are even worse brats.. (have the kids and don't even wanna teach them comportment and manners or even take care of them!!) I feel sorry for you young men today. Go for a mail order or something...my wife and mom even say women here are too spoiled.
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