Try working where I do the company has an on site contractor for drug testing and they test all new hires and any badged workers are added to the random pool that tests 10% of the workforce monthly. If a supervisor suspects drug or alcohol use they will pull your access until a neg drug test is confirmed. All testing includes breathalyzer and urine testing and they will also request a hair sample yearly. You have the right to refuse but a refusal will be treated the same as a positive test and access will be revoked, and you will be escorted off site by two armed responders.
1. Completely agree
2. Completely agree (although even if you're not high at the time you can still test hot).
3. I understand if the OPs company was say a limousine service or something...but otherwise, that's garbage
The Boston Dangler
Lifer
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no, man, you stfu. a bus driver smokes a joint at home, therefore he must be getting high while at work the next day? whatever.
BoomerD
No Lifer
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Drug testing doesn't stop you from doing what you want to do-on your time...only limits where you can work while doing what you want to do-on your time.
Like it or not, as long as drugs are illegal, drug testing is here to stay, and it's only gonna get more accurate and more commonplace.
Besides the thought that maybe someone who uses an illegal substance MIGHT be more inclined to break other laws, or perhaps make other bad decisions, (I might question both of those assumptions) the big thing that I've heard over the years is that as long as that substance is in your system in testable amounts, you're under the influence...to what degree is a different subject...which is also why drug testing has limits as to what levels are the minimum reportable amounts.
YOU have the choice in this area.
IF you do drugs, don't work someplace that does drug testing
If you want to work someplace that does drug testing, either quit...or learn how to cheat the tests. (usually also a termination offense)
That is bullshit. If the guy comes to work fucked up then fire him/don't let him drive the bus. Drug tests ARE a violation of privacy, because requiring the signing of that piece of paper is a violation of privacy.
Accidents happen, shit happens, the ones who need to grow up are the ones that want government laws and restrictions on everything that could ever be dangerous.
Doing drugs is not inherently harmful to others, just like owning a gun is not harmful to others. What someone does with those is the issue. If they do nothing then there is no problem but we can't take away rights because of the chance a few will fuck up.
The Boston Dangler
Lifer
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with that kind of commitment to drug testing, i can only imagine that is the tip of the iceberg as far as how concerned your employer is regarding its employees.
Yes, my crack dealer told me this because everyone who has used drugs before is a crackhead.
/sarcasm
Myself, like a large number of people who don't approve of drug testing, are professionals who wish do do what they want in their free time, and not have to think about the consequences of a failed drug test.
Here are two situations:
1) I leave work, buy a bag, go home and smoke it, watch some tv, pass out, wake up the next morning for work, refreshed and ready to do my job (nef).
2) I leave work, go buy a 12 pack, get drunk, watch some tv, pass out, wake up for work either slightly late or hungover, get to work, hungover, bitch whine moan, get nothing done for most of the day.
Now, guess which one of these is perfectly legal, AND won't show up on a drug test?
You have a valid point as well, there are lots of professions that should be subjected to drug testing, and I totally agree with you as far as anyone on parole or probation. I chose not to take an internship at a brand new nuclear power plant because they hair test all employees, and I think, rightly so.
Can you see what I'm saying as to how random drug tests really suck for a significant portion of hard working professionals?
IGBT
Lifer
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..druggies and dopers are in denial. employers don't want them. Insurance co. give big breaks on liability and health ins. if employeers do pre-employment/random/post accident drug testing. Both sides of the political isle are on board and fully support drug testing. Especially in safety sensitive positions. And the definition of safety sensitive will be greatly expanded in the near future. On the horizon is drug testing in public schools since this is the target market of drug dealers and the source of the avalanche of US drug demand. It's comming whether you like it or not.
And there we have the truth. I took many piss test in the Army as well and EVERY time it happened, we always had a half dozen guys in our Battalion piss hot. WTF they were thinking I can't tell you.
I could never even think about doing drugs if I were in the army. When its your job to kill people, I don't think the rush of any drug could compare to that.
maybe heroin actually, but I'm only basing that on what they say in trainspotting... *better than sex*
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Use of drugs is a violation of company policy and as such you are violating your terms of continued employment. If you want to keep working for this company you will not use drugs period. If you continue to use drugs you will be caught eventually and fired.
If these terms are not ok with you, quit. I'm sure you can find another job right now in this wonderful economy that pays just as well. (these guys get paid around 80k a year). At time of employment these people signed a waiver stating the terms of random drug tests. Doesn't sound like that is much of a violation of privacy to me.
Myself included.
Surprised anyone?
And citrix, you can pm me if you don't feel like responding to the question I asked you earlier.
AMDZen
Lifer
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Regardless, I can only speak to the experience of people I know. And as I've said, the only people I know are those who MAY do a little something on the weekend. Not every weekend, just the typical party Saturday night when someone happens to have some. I only hang out with responsible people, and I don't know anyone who habitually uses anything other then alcohol. And I know more then one person, who has done coke on a Saturday and taken the drug test the next Wednesday and passed, more then one person on more then one occasion. Perhaps the companies they all work for don't test for it? I don't know the science, I just know they've come up clean every time. At first one person in particular would go to a head shop and buy the drinks there, along with drinking lots of cranberry juice and stuff like that. However, after she got broadside randomed once and still passed she doesn't worry about it.
To that point, its so easy to fake out the tests even for the Mary Jane smoker its rediculous. I know countless people who have passed after smoking within that previous couple of weeks, they make solutions. Hell you can even BUY PEE ONLINE for like $30 that is guarenteed clean. Keep a bag in your car and just go grab it right before the random. Done and done.
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