Angry about drug tests.......

[EMPshockwave82]

A guy at work came up hot in a random drug test so he got on the list for followup tests. Was told that he could be called at any time to get a followup test.

He comes into work and the drug tester is waiting for him for the followup test that is required after an initial failure. He gives the sample and comes up hot a second time and is angry at the company for testing him for drugs.

WTF are these people thinking? If someone knows they have the possibility of getting tested then why are they angry at the company and screaming conspircacy when they get caught.



Company process for random drug tests:

1. Manager calls drug tester once a month to request a random screening
2. Testing company gets list of employees coming on duty in the next 72 hours and randomly picks a name from the list.
3. Tester comes and gets a sample as employee is coming on duty.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

1. These tests aren't random - they pick people who they suspect are users.
2. The tests shouldn't exist in the first place - they're trying to dictate how you live your life. As long as you don't come into work high or whatever, it shouldn't be a problem.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
1. These tests aren't random - they pick people who they suspect are users.
2. The tests shouldn't exist in the first place - they're trying to dictate how you live your life. As long as you don't come into work high or whatever, it shouldn't be a problem.

he speaks the truth

 

[Uppsala9496]

I wonder how many people I work with that would get busted?
It'd be funny if they tested everyone a couple times over a 3 month window.

 

[TallBill]

I took about 11 drug tests in just under 4 years with the Army. Don't use drugs and you won't piss hot, simple as that. If this is an issue for you, don't work for a company that drug tests.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
1. These tests aren't random - they pick people who they suspect are users.
2. The tests shouldn't exist in the first place - they're trying to dictate how you live your life. As long as you don't come into work high or whatever, it shouldn't be a problem.

1) i agree. they just don't do random test that often.

2) i disagree. i wouldnt want my employees who are drug abusers. just for the off chance they come into work high and cause damages to either work stuff or someones property.

 

[SacrosanctFiend]

We just had a guy go to a panel doctor for a workers' comp injury and he came up positive for drugs. After the review process, and he was termed, he called me "vowing to fight this to the bitter end." WTF? He got caught doing drugs that very well could have played a role in his injury, and he wants to fight it?

 

[swbsam]

Working at a respectable company and knowing a good amount of people here (not high school students), I'd say 50% of this organization abuse or has abused some illegal substance.

We'd lose 1/2 of our workforce if they did drug tests here!

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: The Boston Dangler

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
1. These tests aren't random - they pick people who they suspect are users.
2. The tests shouldn't exist in the first place - they're trying to dictate how you live your life. As long as you don't come into work high or whatever, it shouldn't be a problem.

he speaks the truth

 

[EMPshockwave82]

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
1. These tests aren't random - they pick people who they suspect are users.
2. The tests shouldn't exist in the first place - they're trying to dictate how you live your life. As long as you don't come into work high or whatever, it shouldn't be a problem.

From original post:
Company process for random drug tests:

1. Manager calls drug tester once a month to request a random screening
2. Testing company gets list of employees coming on duty in the next 72 hours and randomly picks a name from the list.
3. Tester comes and gets a sample as employee is coming on duty.



The company the employee works for has no contact with the testing company except for giving the list of employees coming on duty in the next 72 hours and stating that a random test is needed. The testing company is the one that chooses the worker to be tested.

The managers are required every 60 days to have a random test done at their facility. If people didnt come to work high, tests wouldnt be needed.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
1. These tests aren't random - they pick people who they suspect are users.
2. The tests shouldn't exist in the first place - they're trying to dictate how you live your life. As long as you don't come into work high or whatever, it shouldn't be a problem.

I work for a company that has a lot of drivers. If a driver was in an accident and a subsequent drug-test was performed and found that driver had some drug in his system, the company would get their asses handed to them in court. There is good reason for a company to do these tests.

And, OP, tell this guy at my company one positive and you are out immediately, that day. No excuses, no retest.

 

[SacrosanctFiend]

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
1. These tests aren't random - they pick people who they suspect are users.
2. The tests shouldn't exist in the first place - they're trying to dictate how you live your life. As long as you don't come into work high or whatever, it shouldn't be a problem.

I don't know who "they" are, but we have a list of all employee numbers and a computer randomizer picks 10 random numbers from the list.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
1. These tests aren't random - they pick people who they suspect are users.
2. The tests shouldn't exist in the first place - they're trying to dictate how you live your life. As long as you don't come into work high or whatever, it shouldn't be a problem.

1) i agree. they just don't do random test that often.

2) i disagree. i wouldnt want my employees who are drug abusers. just for the off chance they come into work high and cause damages to either work stuff or someones property.

The only people who ever come up hot are people who smoke MJ. Which can stay in your system for a month. Where as people who do cocain will never fail as it will be out of your system in 24-48 hours.

This is assuming its urine tests at least.

So basically you are never going to catch the real drug abusers, just the people who may toke an occasional joint on the weekends. Meth, even heroin are all 3 days max

 

[swbsam]

by the way, pot fuckin' rocks. I wouldn't want a bus driver hooked on and under the influence of heroine but, if it doens't affect job performance, why should it matter? Being an alcoholic is far worse than a pothead, honestly.

 

[SarcasticDwarf]

Originally posted by: TallBill
I took about 11 drug tests in just under 4 years with the Army. Don't use drugs and you won't piss hot, simple as that. If this is an issue for you, don't work for a company that drug tests.

Reserves gets tested waaaay more than that.

 

[SacrosanctFiend]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
1. These tests aren't random - they pick people who they suspect are users.
2. The tests shouldn't exist in the first place - they're trying to dictate how you live your life. As long as you don't come into work high or whatever, it shouldn't be a problem.

1) i agree. they just don't do random test that often.

2) i disagree. i wouldnt want my employees who are drug abusers. just for the off chance they come into work high and cause damages to either work stuff or someones property.

The only people who ever come up hot are people who smoke MJ. Which can stay in your system for a month. Where as people who do cocain will never fail as it will be out of your system in 24-48 hours.

This is assuming its urine tests at least.

So basically you are never going to test the real drug abusers, just the people who may toke an occasional joint on the weekends. Meth, even heroin are all 3 days max

Our recent term by random drug test came up postive for cocaine. He claimed his buddies told him it would be out of his system in two days...it wasn't.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
1. These tests aren't random - they pick people who they suspect are users.
2. The tests shouldn't exist in the first place - they're trying to dictate how you live your life. As long as you don't come into work high or whatever, it shouldn't be a problem.

I disagree with you on point number 1...sort of.
Being a crane operator and having a Class A drivers license, I've always been subject to random drug testing, pre-employment testing, and "Just for the fuck of it" testing...they have a pool of all the folks subject to random testing, sometimes your name comes up, sometimes it doesn't.
Never bothered me in the slightest. If they've got the money, (to pay for the tests and my wages) I've got the time...

Once, following a minor vehicle mis-hap, (equipment failure caused a traffic accident) I had to go for drug testing. Standard procedure, but it put me into double time...for 4 hours...I was perfectly happy to sit at the testing clinic and wait till they were ready for me...at $70/hour.

Drug testing is no big deal...as long as you don't do drugs. If you do, there's always McDonalds.

 

[nerp]

I think the more interesting question would be: would MJ in the system be grounds for termination if legalized?

 

[JulesMaximus]

I have a friend who worked for a national retail chain store, he was pretty high up in the risk management department and used to tell me stories about their "random" drug screening process. There was nothing random about it, they picked low level employees, the ones most likely to be using drugs and then they picked the ones who were getting injured or who they suspected might be using. I asked him if he ever had to submit to a random drug test and he laughed. Only in the initial screening process.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: nerp
I think the more interesting question would be: would MJ in the system be grounds for termination if legalized?

most likely it would be. but then if legal i would say its wrong to fire the. Same as i think its wrong that people are fired for smokeing (yes it has happened).

 

[DarrelSPowers]

Originally posted by: TallBill
I took about 11 drug tests in just under 4 years with the Army. Don't use drugs and you won't piss hot, simple as that. If this is an issue for you, don't work for a company that drug tests.

This... and what CV said too...

Drug tests are a farce. The only thing that ever shows up is weed, because most harder drugs are out of your system within a few hours to a few days.

I could write forever as to how bullshit I think drugtests are, but I've found I enjoy working with people at companies that don't drug test as compared to companies that do.

 

[sactoking]

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
1. These tests aren't random - they pick people who they suspect are users.
2. The tests shouldn't exist in the first place - they're trying to dictate how you live your life. As long as you don't come into work high or whatever, it shouldn't be a problem.

1. Some do, some don't.
2. You're ignoring all of the statistical evidence linking drug use to other forms of crime.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
1. These tests aren't random - they pick people who they suspect are users.
2. The tests shouldn't exist in the first place - they're trying to dictate how you live your life. As long as you don't come into work high or whatever, it shouldn't be a problem.

I disagree with you on point number 1...sort of.
Being a crane operator and having a Class A drivers license, I've always been subject to random drug testing, pre-employment testing, and "Just for the fuck of it" testing...they have a pool of all the folks subject to random testing, sometimes your name comes up, sometimes it doesn't.
Never bothered me in the slightest. If they've got the money, (to pay for the tests and my wages) I've got the time...

Once, following a minor vehicle mis-hap, (equipment failure caused a traffic accident) I had to go for drug testing. Standard procedure, but it put me into double time...for 4 hours...I was perfectly happy to sit at the testing clinic and wait till they were ready for me...at $70/hour.

Drug testing is no big deal...as long as you don't do drugs. If you do, there's always McDonalds.

On a job like that where you could really kill people if you fuck up, then I'm fine with it. I wouldn't want to hire a crane operator who's been smoking. And if you have a job like that where you're being tested regularly, then you shouldn't be using anything anyway - it's just stupid.

 

[AreaCode7O7]

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
1. These tests aren't random - they pick people who they suspect are users.
2. The tests shouldn't exist in the first place - they're trying to dictate how you live your life. As long as you don't come into work high or whatever, it shouldn't be a problem.

Somebody who's willing to ignore the law in one respect, however irrational you may consider the law to be, is more likely to be willing to ignore the law in another respect. It's not a perfect predictor, but it's something I'd take into account when hiring someone.

Originally posted by: swbsam
by the way, pot fuckin' rocks. I wouldn't want a bus driver hooked on and under the influence of heroine but, if it doens't affect job performance, why should it matter? Being an alcoholic is far worse than a pothead, honestly.

Drug users are also likely to make poor decisions. This fellow is a case in point. He apparently considers being under the influence of pot while performing certain jobs is ok, that you can do that and not have it impact job performance. I wouldn't want one of my employees making that type of judgment call and jeopardizing my business.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

to elaborate:
drug testing by an employer is done either regularly, randomly, or with cause. in any event, employees know of and accept these conditions.

most often, insurance companies are the driving force behind "drug-free workplaces"

fired immediately after 1 hot test? sounds unlikely. is your company spending $1000's on a gas chromatography-mass spectrometry test? even then, the possibility of a misplaced sample or error during sample collection is more than a competent lawyer needs.