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I prefer Android's keyboard on my tablet simply by virtue of the changing upper vs. lower case font on the keys. It's always upper case on my iPhone and iPad. I also prefer Android's heads-up spell checker.

However, there are two things I don't like about the Android keyboard and text entry.
1) The virtual home button is below the space bar. I sometimes hit the virtual home button by accident.
2) For some reason on pages with where you enter text (like in this forum), when you navigate around the box, Android sometimes changes the magnification too many times, and it doesn't seem entirely consistent.
 

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Yeah, I inadvertently hit the home key on occasion, much less frequently now. In fact, I can't remember the last time it's happened.

The thing that frustrates me the most when I use my wife's 4S is the keyboard. SwiftKey with the ability to long press for punctuation and the changing case on the keyboard is very handy and should be copied. :)

I much prefer the stock JB keyboard over the iOS with the changing case and dedicated punctuation keys.
 
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I think scrolling lists could've been designed better. They should leave the scrollbar as visible like in GB/Froyo.

I think Apple has a patent on scrollbar being visible or is it visible then fading? Google had to change some stuff in later GB because of various Apple patents. It wouldn't surprise me if Google designed certain things which seems like bad/clumsy design decision because of numerous Apple UI patents.
 

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I think Apple has a patent on scrollbar being visible or is it visible then fading? Google had to change some stuff in later GB because of various Apple patents. It wouldn't surprise me if Google designed certain things which seems like bad/clumsy design decision because of numerous Apple UI patents.

Not sure about the patents. How scroll bars work on iOS is that they are invisible by default. They fade in on scroll and fade out when scrolling stops.

OSX Lion just adopted this as well. The difference is that the scroll bar is visible by default if you're using a mouse and invisible by default in all other cases.
 
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Yeah, I inadvertently hit the home key on occasion, much less frequently now. In fact, I can't remember the last time it's happened.

The thing that frustrates me the most when I use my wife's 4S is the keyboard. SwiftKey with the ability to long press for punctuation and the changing case on the keyboard is very handy and should be copied. :)

I much prefer the stock JB keyboard over the iOS with the changing case and dedicated punctuation keys.

this was an issue with my Milestone and less so my Nexus S. I think larger phones make it less of an issue. It's a complete NON issue on my SGS2. I think the hardware key is good for that reason.

This is why I do NOT want the next Nexus phone to have a soft menu.
 

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Errr...still very bad.

All of these custom UI/skins reminds me of the dark days of WinMo with all of the hideous skins.

I've kind of been up and down this whole thread and this is kind of what I agree with. When I was 23 I would spend hours flashing roms and trying to pimp my WinMo devices as much as I could. I'm a grown ass man now. I don't want to spend more than 5 minutes thinking about how my phone looks. I want it to be functional and intuitive out of the box. iOS does that for me. Android doesn't.

The only thing I'll even spend any time on these days is jail breaking and installing BiteSMS because quick reply is awesome. I've tried ChompSMS and it's amazing to me how a similar app from the same developer can just be so terribly broken.

And if anyone is looking for a unlocked HSPA Galaxy Nexus next week, and PM me.
 

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I couldn't be more satisfied with stock Jellybean on my HSPA GNex. The UI works flawlessly, is intuitive, and doesn't scream "Hey look at me!!!".
 

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this was an issue with my Milestone and less so my Nexus S. I think larger phones make it less of an issue. It's a complete NON issue on my SGS2. I think the hardware key is good for that reason.

This is why I do NOT want the next Nexus phone to have a soft menu.
Yesterday I got my S3, which replaced my defective Nexus. I can now say that I definitely prefer the soft keys. I've only had this phone one day and I constantly hit the back key by mistake because it's so close to the edge of the phone that there's no where to comfortably hold on that side. Also I really dislike the bloatware filling up the notification area. I like that Samsung put those toggles in for people, but not having the option to remove it is just plain stupid, and the always there wifi prompt/message is even worse.
 

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The only thing I'll even spend any time on these days is jail breaking and installing BiteSMS because quick reply is awesome. I've tried ChompSMS and it's amazing to me how a similar app from the same developer can just be so terribly broken.

Yeah, I'm the same way. I jailbroke my phone just for bite and tether, that's it. I ignore all of the other jailbroken apps that just junks up your phone.
 

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Oh and BTW... BlackBean AOKP is the ROM I'm using, and see no reason to try any others.
 

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I've kind of been up and down this whole thread and this is kind of what I agree with. When I was 23 I would spend hours flashing roms and trying to pimp my WinMo devices as much as I could. I'm a grown ass man now. I don't want to spend more than 5 minutes thinking about how my phone looks. I want it to be functional and intuitive out of the box. iOS does that for me. Android doesn't.

The only thing I'll even spend any time on these days is jail breaking and installing BiteSMS because quick reply is awesome. I've tried ChompSMS and it's amazing to me how a similar app from the same developer can just be so terribly broken.

And if anyone is looking for a unlocked HSPA Galaxy Nexus next week, and PM me.

I'm pretty sure I've owned every generation WinMo device out there; I would actually contend that windows smartphone 2003 was pretty damn good here. I share your sentiment exactly; if I have to jailbreak/rom/replace apps to get the phone where it should be, the people that made it are fucking up.

This is the same reason I gave up on Linux and just run OSX. I need unix shell for work, but I don't need to waste time on gentoo/ubuntu/whatever forums trying to figure out how to get something working.
 
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abaez

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Let me show you an article about Google Chrome's tab closing:

http://www.theinvisibl.com/2009/12/08/chrometabs/

This shows an EXCELLENT analysis in thinking about UI and user habits in designing the way that tabs are closed in Google Chrome.

Maybe stuff like this doesn't matter to you, and it seems like you just don't care. If you don't care why are YOU making a big deal out if it? I'm making a big deal out if it because it's one UI flaw that goes to show why Android in itself has had UI issues on the whole.

Clearly, UI doesn't bother you, and little flaws here and there can be ignored. That's fine. But don't tell me my issue is a non issue. If you don't care about a 10 fps lagfest, good for you. I do.

Maybe you shouldn't care about the grid of icons UI also because anyone can work around it.

I fucking love this about Chrome. It's genius.
 

Red Storm

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I don't want to spend more than 5 minutes thinking about how my phone looks. I want it to be functional and intuitive out of the box. iOS does that for me. Android doesn't.

I'm glad it works for you, but neither iOS nor stock Android are optimal out of the box (as in no changes whatsoever) for me. When I had the iPhone every time I used it was a reminder that I don't like how various things were setup, but I couldn't really do anything about it. It's a little better on Android, but the difference is that I've been given the tools to change it to my liking, and then from that point on it's no longer an issue. With iOS it was never not an issue because there was nothing I could do about it.

With iOS, you have a very specific interface setup. Doesn't matter if you love it or hate it, you just have to do deal with it. On Android, if I hate it, I can change it. I don't have to jailbreak/root/rom my phone to do it either. That's the fundamental difference that made me an Android fan, choice.
 

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I dont even know why chrome for android was even brought up,its been in beta for a while and there is not one single cell phone that comes with it.

plane jane vanila browsers even from the gingerbread days smoke the crap out of chrome.
 
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I fucking love this about Chrome. It's genius.

its a PITA when I'm on a laptop though and I accidentally tap too hard on my touchpad... hahaha but I like the thought they put in. I usually use CTRL+F4 on a desktop keyboard so this doesn't matter as much, but it's good to know they designed this well.


Yesterday I got my S3, which replaced my defective Nexus. I can now say that I definitely prefer the soft keys. I've only had this phone one day and I constantly hit the back key by mistake because it's so close to the edge of the phone that there's no where to comfortably hold on that side. Also I really dislike the bloatware filling up the notification area. I like that Samsung put those toggles in for people, but not having the option to remove it is just plain stupid, and the always there wifi prompt/message is even worse.

Well I commented on the design issues of the S3, and part of it is because its too curvey and the lower bezel is very minimal. You can tell it's crammed in there and the home button feels very short because there's no space. If they went back to the more square-ish button on the S2 and S1 and a larger bottom bezel the phone would be too large. It's more visually pleasing that way as well.

It may just be because the phone is too big or too little bezel that you keep hitting the back button. Like I said, there are some disadvantages to large phones and to minimal bezel, yet mock images always show some giant screen with 0.1mm bezel all the way around. Yeah not sexy and realistic at all.

I do like the notification toggles, but more minimalistic like CyanogenMod. Even the AOKP ones are a little cluttered/excessive for my taste. The Samsung ones are just flat out ugly (from my gf's S3). But I cannot live with stock AOSP that does not have the toggles.


I've kind of been up and down this whole thread and this is kind of what I agree with. When I was 23 I would spend hours flashing roms and trying to pimp my WinMo devices as much as I could. I'm a grown ass man now. I don't want to spend more than 5 minutes thinking about how my phone looks. I want it to be functional and intuitive out of the box. iOS does that for me. Android doesn't.

The only thing I'll even spend any time on these days is jail breaking and installing BiteSMS because quick reply is awesome. I've tried ChompSMS and it's amazing to me how a similar app from the same developer can just be so terribly broken.

And if anyone is looking for a unlocked HSPA Galaxy Nexus next week, and PM me.
Right. I don't mind a quick fix. It's just a PITA when root is different for every phone (I've rooted the Milestone, SGS1, SGS2, SGS3, Nexus S, and Incredible S and they're all vastly different). Yeah. I understand the argument. No one should spend hours trying to make their phone work. It's one thing if you have some extreme preferences and want bells and whistles on your phone, then you probably need a lot of time, but for those looking for decent functionality, it shouldn't be some treasure hunt.

Luckily ICS addresses this issue and post iOS 4 does too. JBing/rooting might still be useful for things like tethering but other than that yeah... Basically my gripe with Android before was that with its crap keyboard, crap SMS app, crap exchange app, crap launcher (pre ICS), I'm spending all my time setting up the phone. I'm not asking for 5 star products. Just good enough stock apps that there isn't this immediate need to get a 3rd party alternative.
 
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Pull to refresh was first done by Loren Brichter in Tweetie. Apple hasn't acknowledged or used it until iOS 6 which is still in beta.

I think this was one of the most awesome UI inventions along with slide to unlock. I like how some Android apps also use pull to refresh, but it's mainly those that are ported over from iOS like FB and Twitter. Would've been nice to see more apps integrate it rather than to hit menu and hope it's there (sometimes it's in Menu => More => Refresh) or sometimes the refresh is only in some pages of the app.
 

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Well I commented on the design issues of the S3, and part of it is because its too curvey and the lower bezel is very minimal. You can tell it's crammed in there and the home button feels very short because there's no space. If they went back to the more square-ish button on the S2 and S1 and a larger bottom bezel the phone would be too large. It's more visually pleasing that way as well.

It may just be because the phone is too big or too little bezel that you keep hitting the back button. Like I said, there are some disadvantages to large phones and to minimal bezel, yet mock images always show some giant screen with 0.1mm bezel all the way around. Yeah not sexy and realistic at all.

I do like the notification toggles, but more minimalistic like CyanogenMod. Even the AOKP ones are a little cluttered/excessive for my taste. The Samsung ones are just flat out ugly (from my gf's S3). But I cannot live with stock AOSP that does not have the toggles.

Soft keys would immediately fix the issue, because there's only three buttons, so they wouldn't be in the corner. I would love minimal bezel all the way around, and with soft keys you don't need a giant bezel.

Stock AOSP may not have notification toggles, but there are many apps that give you that functionality, so you don't need a rom for it.
 
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Soft keys would immediately fix the issue, because there's only three buttons, so they wouldn't be in the corner. I would love minimal bezel all the way around, and with soft keys you don't need a giant bezel.

Stock AOSP may not have notification toggles, but there are many apps that give you that functionality, so you don't need a rom for it.

interesting... i never knew that. But I think overall, CM was developed to address shortfalls of the OS. So it's a bigger package that includes other features that weren't once part of Android. Certainly the capabilities of the OS are improving (like finally giving us screenshot capabilities without needing root). Do the notification toggles require root?
 

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interesting... i never knew that. But I think overall, CM was developed to address shortfalls of the OS. So it's a bigger package that includes other features that weren't once part of Android. Certainly the capabilities of the OS are improving (like finally giving us screenshot capabilities without needing root). Do the notification toggles require root?

I know of Switchpro, Power Toggles and Notification Toggle (I think?) that all do it without root.
 

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interesting... i never knew that. But I think overall, CM was developed to address shortfalls of the OS. So it's a bigger package that includes other features that weren't once part of Android. Certainly the capabilities of the OS are improving (like finally giving us screenshot capabilities without needing root). Do the notification toggles require root?


im not sure TBH, it might have changed but i think you needed root to begin with.
they are in like every rom, and HTC/Moto/SS all have them in 1 form or another

EDIT see above

also AOKPs can be changed from their default setting which is ugly to just be icons with an indicator. see my screen shot in sig