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In a decade, the Fall of RIM will be required reading in college business courses. HP probably too.
 
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WP7 might catch on, but then again it might not. Do people seriously think Nokia is going to release with hardware comparable to the A5-based iPhone 5 or Nexus Prime? C'mon, this is *Nokia* we're talking about here.
 
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Hard anyone to argue webOS and RIM have healthy outlooks at this point in time. webOS has squandered its second chance at life and RIM is still viable but future outlook isn't so hot.
 
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Oh, I hope hope hope the new Mango phones get WP7 kickstarted. Seems like people are maybe just holding out for it. Cuz if WP7 doesn't break double digits by next year at this time, they're never gonna hit it.
Meanwhile, I'm loving my first gen device. Once Mango hits and I can share my unlimited data at work with co-workers via wifi tethering, I'm gonna be a hero! :D
 
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s44 said:
WP7 might catch on, but then again it might not. Do people seriously think Nokia is going to release with hardware comparable to the A5-based iPhone 5 or Nexus Prime? C'mon, this is *Nokia* we're talking about here.
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Nokia makes some great high-end smartphones. They have Gorilla Glass screens, AMOLED display, by far the best cameras you can get on a smartphone, unibody designs, great call quality, and excellent battery life. And they've announced that all their future phones will come with NFC chips.

I'd say they're the only manufacturer who can make devices on par with Apple's.

BTW, I wish they would break it down between Windows Mobile and WP7. Everything I've heard in the past says that Windows Mobile is dropping off sharply but WP7 is growing slowly. Still not great news for MS, but not nearly as bleak as they're making it out to be.
 
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Bateluer

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smartpatrol said:
BTW, I wish they would break it down between Windows Mobile and WP7. Everything I've heard in the past says that Windows Mobile is dropping off sharply but WP7 is growing slowly. Still not great news for MS, but not nearly as bleak as they're making it out to be.
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Its at -1% so far. Better than Social Security, but hardly growth.
 
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smartpatrol said:
Nokia makes some great high-end smartphones. They have Gorilla Glass screens, AMOLED display, by far the best cameras you can get on a smartphone, unibody designs, great call quality, and excellent battery life. And they've announced that all their future phones will come with NFC chips.
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All of these can be found on current Android phones, I can't comment on cameras as I have never used them.
 
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s44 said:
WP7 might catch on, but then again it might not. Do people seriously think Nokia is going to release with hardware comparable to the A5-based iPhone 5 or Nexus Prime? C'mon, this is *Nokia* we're talking about here.
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That is why I love W7 and will continue to support it. I don't have to buy a new top of the line phone every few months to ensure a lag free experience or have to worry about if the app I am going to buy is compatible. My WP7 is over 9 months old and would not know it smooth as butter and don't have to worry about fragmatation. Honestly I wish instead of newer more powerfull stuff under the hood MS gets die shrinks of older hardware for longer battery life. That is my biggest complaint of smart phones in general piss poor battery life.
 
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I actually quite like WP7, the UI is very slick. I want to get one, but I just really don't need a smart phone.
 
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quest55720 said:
That is why I love W7 and will continue to support it. I don't have to buy a new top of the line phone every few months to ensure a lag free experience or have to worry about if the app I am going to buy is compatible. My WP7 is over 9 months old and would not know it smooth as butter and don't have to worry about fragmatation. Honestly I wish instead of newer more powerfull stuff under the hood MS gets die shrinks of older hardware for longer battery life. That is my biggest complaint of smart phones in general piss poor battery life.
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I agree it's not necessarily a *bad* thing for individual users if WP7 doesn't go down the specs arms race, but with the market leaders (Android & iOS) actively involved in that game and the tech press well aware of it, MS will have to do quite a sell job to overcome the additional handicap of seeming under-specced.

Will people just leap at the chance to buy the Nokia name? I dunno. Their stuff hasn't been big here in almost a decade, since literally before the RAZR (enough time for Moto to get huge, suck, huge again, and start sucking again) -- do people still miss their old colorful dumbphones? How many people even remember them? (Actually, I remember my old StarTac, but that's another story.)
 
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I agree it's not necessarily a *bad* thing for individual users if WP7 doesn't go down the specs arms race, but with the market leaders (Android & iOS) actively involved in that game and the tech press well aware of it, MS will have to do quite a sell job to overcome the additional handicap of seeming under-specced.

Will people just leap at the chance to buy the Nokia name? I dunno. Their stuff hasn't been big here in almost a decade, since literally before the RAZR (enough time for Moto to get huge, suck, huge again, and start sucking again) -- do people still miss their old colorful dumbphones? How many people even remember them? (Actually, I remember my old StarTac, but that's another story.)
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I don't think specs are a big deal. iPhone 4 was outdated almost from day 1. The Thunderbolt, Charge, and Incredible 2 have all been selling like hotcakes, and most of the WP7 Mango phones will be slightly better than them spec-wise.

As for Nokia, the reason their smartphones have flopped so bad in the USA is a) because they only sell them unlocked and b) Symbian. Heck, the only place I have ever seen an N8 in the US was a non-working display model at Fry's, on a display separate from all the other smartphones and from the phone salespeople.

Nokia have said that they're taking a very US-centric approach with their WP7 phones. They're going to sell exclusive models for each carrier, subsidized. They supposedly have a huge ad blitz planned, as well as incentive programs to reward salespeople for selling Nokia phones. (Hopefully, when people see Nokia product placement in movies like Tron Legacy and Transformers 3, they will say "hey that's the phone I saw at the AT&T kiosk", not "WTF is that thing?)

Anyway, I still think Nokia can do a lot of good for WP7 in the US. None of the other OEMS have much incentive to push WP7. They're perfectly happy selling Android phones and avoiding the $15/device license. Nokia, on the other hand, will be putting WP7 on all their flagship models and making some real effort to promote it.
 
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Genx87

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Bateluer said:
In a decade, the Fall of RIM will be required reading in college business courses. HP probably too.
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Just add them to the list. There are countless examples of business that dominated their market failing to change with the market and folding. Palm is another one. AOL, Blockbuster, 3DFX.
 
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Oyeve

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I miss 3dfx........Anyway, I dont see RIM dying any time soon. WP7 really needs to advertise to even be viable. It seems like anything non Windows/PC related that MS ventures out to do just flubs. Like the Zune and HDDVD just to name a couple. Good products but they didnt support it by aggresive ads.
 
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quest55720

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s44 said:
I agree it's not necessarily a *bad* thing for individual users if WP7 doesn't go down the specs arms race, but with the market leaders (Android & iOS) actively involved in that game and the tech press well aware of it, MS will have to do quite a sell job to overcome the additional handicap of seeming under-specced.

Will people just leap at the chance to buy the Nokia name? I dunno. Their stuff hasn't been big here in almost a decade, since literally before the RAZR (enough time for Moto to get huge, suck, huge again, and start sucking again) -- do people still miss their old colorful dumbphones? How many people even remember them? (Actually, I remember my old StarTac, but that's another story.)
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I think if MS went full out for battery life and enterprise stuff in WP7 they could get a great nitche. There are plenty of people who don't 3d game on phones. If the OS is smooth with lesser hardware but gets great battery life I think it would be a great alternative to Android. Lets be honest lot of the arms race on android is because the OS needs big hardware to run smooth. Also they need to really get office and security pimped out for business users. They have a huge built in advantage with office they need to take advantage of it. Also dump a ton of RD into mobile IE there are no real good mobile browsers out there IMO. They all have 1 issue or another.
 
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