And the awesomeness continues.

[Noobtastic]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7260314.stm

Ridiculous.

and the fact that we are sleeping with this country is even more disgusting.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Why is the Saudi culture discusting?
When ion Rome you do as the Romans...
You respect there laws even if you do not agree with them!

Your premise we are sleeping with them is just sensationalism at its finest.

We deal with countries all the time and are friends with countries whose cultures are very different from ours.

I really do not see an issue here........

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Why is the Saudi culture discusting?
When ion Rome you do as the Romans...
You respect there laws even if you do not agree with them!

Your premise we are sleeping with them is just sensationalism at its finest.

We deal with countries all the time and are friends with countries whose cultures are very different from ours.

I really do not see an issue here........

You mean like South Africa and Apartheid?

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Why is the Saudi culture discusting?
When ion Rome you do as the Romans...
You respect there laws even if you do not agree with them!

Your premise we are sleeping with them is just sensationalism at its finest.

We deal with countries all the time and are friends with countries whose cultures are very different from ours.

I really do not see an issue here........

So you don't have issued with people being executed for:

*Homosexuality

*Adultery [which includes flirting, petting, talking, and driving in the same car as a married man/woman]

*Rivaling ethnicities

Not to mention the other common crimes that have ridiculous sentences...you know, stealing a candy bar = the removal of your right hand.


Yes, awesome country. Thank you American education!

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: 1prophet

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Why is the Saudi culture discusting?
When ion Rome you do as the Romans...
You respect there laws even if you do not agree with them!

Your premise we are sleeping with them is just sensationalism at its finest.

We deal with countries all the time and are friends with countries whose cultures are very different from ours.

I really do not see an issue here........

You mean like South Africa and Apartheid?

Don't be silly. I think he means chinese people being killed for political dissent. That's just part of their culture. It doesn't make it worse or better, right? Lashing women for being raped, too, you cannot say it's better or worse, just different!

 

[blackangst1]

I wonder how many people think both that the US shouldnt be the world's police and yet are disgusted by this and think we need to do something.

The world in general will never have the same values as the US (all are created equal, equal protection under the law, etc). It is what it is.

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I wonder how many people think both that the US shouldnt be the world's police and yet are disgusted by this and think we need to do something.

The world in general will never have the same values as the US (all are created equal, equal protection under the law, etc). It is what it is.

It is what it is?

What the hell?? No one is saying the US should do anything. I doubt it could, at least not anything that would help. However, it is perfectly reasonable to point out these issues..

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I wonder how many people think both that the US shouldnt be the world's police and yet are disgusted by this and think we need to do something.

The world in general will never have the same values as the US (all are created equal, equal protection under the law, etc). It is what it is.

It is what it is?

What the hell?? No one is saying the US should do anything. I doubt it could, at least not anything that would help. However, it is perfectly reasonable to point out these issues..

Sure we can point em out. Lord knows our country isnt perfect either. But like I said, it is what it is. Morals and what is right or wrong is subjective (I think someone else said that).

 

[StageLeft]

Morals and what is right or wrong is subjective (I think someone else said that).

That is also up for debate.

 

[Kadarin]

At least in this case it's not just women being arrested and punished for this kind of thing.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Morals and what is right or wrong is subjective (I think someone else said that).

That is also up for debate.

Well, its not really up for debate, as it IS subjective. I think whats under debate is who's opinion is correct.

Who is right? Us because we say so? I say not.

 

[Noobtastic]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I wonder how many people think both that the US shouldnt be the world's police and yet are disgusted by this and think we need to do something.

The world in general will never have the same values as the US (all are created equal, equal protection under the law, etc). It is what it is.

It is what it is?

What the hell?? No one is saying the US should do anything. I doubt it could, at least not anything that would help. However, it is perfectly reasonable to point out these issues..

Sure we can point em out. Lord knows our country isnt perfect either. But like I said, it is what it is. Morals and what is right or wrong is subjective (I think someone else said that).

Wrong.

Morals are INFLEXIBLE. Geez I'm betting you could probably rationalize the murder of an innocent civilian...


After all, it's "subjective".

XD XD XD

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I wonder how many people think both that the US shouldnt be the world's police and yet are disgusted by this and think we need to do something.

We are doing something. We are fighting Saudi radicals in Iraq so the House of Saud doesn't have to fight them at home.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

Originally posted by: blackangst1
I wonder how many people think both that the US shouldnt be the world's police and yet are disgusted by this and think we need to do something.

The world in general will never have the same values as the US (all are created equal, equal protection under the law, etc). It is what it is.

It is what it is?

What the hell?? No one is saying the US should do anything. I doubt it could, at least not anything that would help. However, it is perfectly reasonable to point out these issues..

Sure we can point em out. Lord knows our country isnt perfect either. But like I said, it is what it is. Morals and what is right or wrong is subjective (I think someone else said that).

Wrong.

Morals are INFLEXIBLE. Geez I'm betting you could probably rationalize the murder of an innocent civilian...


After all, it's "subjective".

XD XD XD

Morals are subjective and inflexible. There is no objective moral code, just six billion different absolute moral codes.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

We aren't sleeping with SA. We have a relationship of necessity between us as is often the case in politics and diplomacy.

While I don't find the arrests encouraging, the fact that what was once completely taboo there is now being tested publcily is encouraging. It's how societal change is brought about.

Keep in mind that practically everything is relative too. Maybe there are aliens observing us thinking we are completely backwards and ignorant because we outlaw interspecies sex? Just keep in mind that what one society finds repugnant may not apply to another because morals are subjective and they are only inflexible based on what YOU think, not what others believe.

 

[Noobtastic]

While I don't find the arrests encouraging, the fact that what was once completely taboo there is now being tested publcily is encouraging. It's how societal change is brought about.

Uh, what?

Keep in mind that practically everything is relative too. Maybe there are aliens observing us thinking we are completely backwards and ignorant because we outlaw interspecies sex? Just keep in mind that what one society finds repugnant may not apply to another because morals are subjective and they are only inflexible based on what YOU think, not what others believe.

I'm awfully confused.

Are you rationalizing ME fundamentalism with loony semantics and "perspective" bulls**t?

Saudi Arabia EXECUTES PEOPLE FOR SEXING OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE.


Seriously. Stop tap dancing and approach the argument like a man.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

Saudi Arabia EXECUTES PEOPLE FOR SEXING OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE.

No, they lash them with a whip for that.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Noobtastic

While I don't find the arrests encouraging, the fact that what was once completely taboo there is now being tested publcily is encouraging. It's how societal change is brought about.

Uh, what?

Are you old enough to recall the sodomy laws that used to exist in this country? A few states may still have them on the books. Being gay could get you arrested and thrown in a mental ward in this country not that long ago. That prohibition has been and is being ovecome by making the issue public instead of whispering about it behind closed doors, as used to be the case.

Keep in mind that practically everything is relative too. Maybe there are aliens observing us thinking we are completely backwards and ignorant because we outlaw interspecies sex? Just keep in mind that what one society finds repugnant may not apply to another because morals are subjective and they are only inflexible based on what YOU think, not what others believe.

I'm awfully confused.

Are you rationalizing ME fundamentalism with loony semantics and "perspective" bulls**t?

Saudi Arabia EXECUTES PEOPLE FOR SEXING OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE.


Seriously. Stop tap dancing and approach the argument like a man.

When will people in here ever understand that comprehension of a pov is not the same thing as condoning it?

Stuff the accusatory crap, grow the hell up, and drop the ridiculous pretense that you are the arbiter of moral right and wrong in this world.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Morals and what is right or wrong is subjective (I think someone else said that).

That is also up for debate.

Well, its not really up for debate, as it IS subjective. I think whats under debate is who's opinion is correct.

Now wait just a second: If "morals and what is right and wrong is subjective", then how can opinions about morals and what is right and wrong be anything but subjective, too?

So you've made a statement and contradicted that statement in two consecutive sentences. Quite an accomplishment.

Mind you, I agree that morality IS subjective. But I think opinions on morality are subjective, too.

 

[SoundTheSurrender]

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel

Saudi Arabia EXECUTES PEOPLE FOR SEXING OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE.

No, they lash them with a whip for that.

I thought they hang the woman, and leave the man alone.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Morals and what is right or wrong is subjective (I think someone else said that).

That is also up for debate.

Well, its not really up for debate, as it IS subjective. I think whats under debate is who's opinion is correct.

Now wait just a second: If "morals and what is right and wrong is subjective", then how can opinions about morals and what is right and wrong be anything but subjective, too?

So you've made a statement and contradicted that statement in two consecutive sentences. Quite an accomplishment.

Mind you, I agree that morality IS subjective. But I think opinions on morality are subjective, too.

uh...

Of course the opinions are subjective...I never said they werent....what I said was, and what the debate is, like I said, is whose opinion is right? I propose neither, because our view of morality and someone else's are two different things. My opinion is right for me, theirs is right for them.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Morals and what is right or wrong is subjective (I think someone else said that).

That is also up for debate.

Well, its not really up for debate, as it IS subjective. I think whats under debate is who's opinion is correct.

Now wait just a second: If "morals and what is right and wrong is subjective", then how can opinions about morals and what is right and wrong be anything but subjective, too?

So you've made a statement and contradicted that statement in two consecutive sentences. Quite an accomplishment.

Mind you, I agree that morality IS subjective. But I think opinions on morality are subjective, too.

uh...

Of course the opinions are subjective...I never said they werent....what I said was, and what the debate is, like I said, is whose opinion is right? I propose neither, because our view of morality and someone else's are two different things. My opinion is right for me, theirs is right for them.

Look, you say "it's [what's right and wrong] not really up for debate." By contrasting that with a debate on whose opinion is correct, you imply that the latter IS "really" up for debate.

There really is no debate, on morality or on opinions on morality. Period.

 

[ebaycj]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Morals and what is right or wrong is subjective (I think someone else said that).

That is also up for debate.

Well, its not really up for debate, as it IS subjective. I think whats under debate is who's opinion is correct.

Now wait just a second: If "morals and what is right and wrong is subjective", then how can opinions about morals and what is right and wrong be anything but subjective, too?

So you've made a statement and contradicted that statement in two consecutive sentences. Quite an accomplishment.

Mind you, I agree that morality IS subjective. But I think opinions on morality are subjective, too.

uh...

Of course the opinions are subjective...I never said they werent....what I said was, and what the debate is, like I said, is whose opinion is right? I propose neither, because our view of morality and someone else's are two different things. My opinion is right for me, theirs is right for them.

Look, you say "it's [what's right and wrong] not really up for debate." By contrasting that with a debate on whose opinion is correct, you imply that the latter IS "really" up for debate.

There really is no debate, on morality or on opinions on morality. Period.

I think that's what blackangst1 was getting at, the fact that Skoorb gets neither the subjectivity of morals themselves, nor the subjectivity of opinions of morals.