And so, it begins..

Viper1j

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Donny, you're officially fucked!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/20/politics/mazars-trump-records/index.html

Judge orders Trump accounting firm to hand over records to Congress

A federal district judge has told the accounting firm Mazars it will need to turn over Donald Trump's accounting records from before he was President to the Democratic-controlled House Oversight Committee.

In a 41-page opinion, Judge Amit Mehta of the DC District Court dealt a significant blow to the White House as he rejected Trump's attempt to block the committee's subpoena, asserting that Congress is well within its authority to investigate the President.

Mehta's writings will likely be more fodder for other judges to consider as Trump and his Cabinet try to hold off Congress from getting the President's business records, such as through the IRS, banks and in other court fights. Already, the House of Representatives has flagged the ruling to a judge in New York, where another court is considering challenges to House subpoenas to Deutsche Bank and Capitol One for more Trump records. Congress specifically can probe the President for conflicts of interest and ethical questions, Mehta wrote, reaching into history -- citing everything from the presidency of James Buchanan, to the Teapot Dome scandal, to Watergate and Whitewater -- to back up his ruling.

"History has shown that congressionally-exposed criminal conduct by the president or a high-ranking Executive Branch official can lead to legislation," Mehta wrote. "It is simply not fathomable that a Constitution that grants Congress the power to remove a president for reasons including criminal behavior would deny Congress the power to investigate him for unlawful conduct -- past or present -- even without formally opening an impeachment inquiry," he added.

Trump's legal team plans to appeal, a person familiar with the case said Monday.

Mehta's opinion, coming not even a week after a hearing in the case, will kickstart a race to appeals courts.
Mazars won't have to turn over the subpoena for another seven days, according to the judge, but other courts will have to step in to stop the accounting firm from complying with Congress after that. "The court is well aware that this case involves records concerning the private and business affairs of the President of the United States. But on the question of whether to grant a stay pending appeal, the President is subject to the same legal standard as any other litigant that does not prevail," Mehta wrote.

"It is simply not fathomable that a Constitution that grants Congress the power to remove a president for reasons including criminal behavior would deny Congress the power to investigate him for unlawful conduct -- past or present -- even without formally opening an impeachment inquiry," he added. Trump's legal team plans to appeal, a person familiar with the case said Monday.

Mehta's opinion, coming not even a week after a hearing in the case, will kickstart a race to appeals courts. Mazars won't have to turn over the subpoena for another seven days, according to the judge, but other courts will have to step in to stop the accounting firm from complying with Congress after that. "The court is well aware that this case involves records concerning the private and business affairs of the President of the United States. But on the question of whether to grant a stay pending appeal, the President is subject to the same legal standard as any other litigant that does not prevail," Mehta wrote.

The House Oversight Committee subpoena of Mazars seeks a vast amount of communications and financial records related to the firm's work for Trump himself, as well as his businesses and foundation from 2011 through 2018.

Mazars became a target in the House investigation after former Trump personal attorney Michael Cohen accused the President of fudging his wealth in an unsuccessful attempt to buy the Buffalo Bills football team and reduce his real estate tax burden.
Oversight committee Chairman Elijah Cummings called the ruling a "resounding victory for the rule of law and our Constitutional system of checks and balances."

"The court recognized the basic, but crucial fact that Congress has authority to conduct investigations as part of our core function under the Constitution," the Maryland Democrat said in a statement.

Trump immediately called the ruling "crazy."

"We disagree with that ruling, it's crazy," Trump told reporters Monday evening before departing the White House for a rally in Pennsylvania, noting that Mehta was appointed by President Barack Obama. "This never happened to any other president," he added, saying that Democrats are trying to "get a redo" on the investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election. "The Democrats were very upset with the Mueller report, as perhaps they should be," the President said.
 

Viper1j

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The very best part is..

NO STAY PENDING APPEAL!

Let the fucking begin. They have to turn over the docs, and IF Donny should win on appeal (as if) Well, you can't unring a bell.
 

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IANAL but his attorneys may be able to file emergency stays with appeals or the horribly off-key John Roberts and the Supremes. I'm hoping that this is it and the Democrats get the info they requested. I like that the judge opened with Buchanan complaining about Congress investigating him (the Covode Committee). He lost too. I guess Err Furor likes to hang with loser Presidents.

I suggest that the Democrats rename their committee the Covfefe Committee. :D
 

trenchfoot

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Yeah well Trump been doing some really fancy moves what with the dodging, the ducking, the end arounds, the fakes, the statue of liberty play......looks like all he has left is the Hail Mary and Mary don't do adulterers/womanizers.

Sucks to be Trump. Really sucks to be McConnell watching his useful idiot set himself on fire.
 

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BonzaiDuck

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The test of our system of government will show in the appeals courts, and if Trump is the idiot he is, the Supreme Court.

Whether or not the Trumpies stacked the court with partisan judges favoring this or that view of presidential power, judges and lawyers can't just interpret the law to fit some partisan agenda. They must think of the impact of their decisions -- as precedent -- in future cases, for a future they cannot predict. They have a set of professional standards. They all must pass the same or similar bar exams in the states where they began their legal practice.

You can have two partisan camps with agendas and ideologies. The Law must be an independent and separate aspect of government for the sake of non-partisan, unbiased Justice. Otherwise, Justice is only what the party in power says it is; Laws are no longer appendages to the Constitution, but only whatever the party in power and the individual known as the PResident says it is.

And that's where we cross the line from democracy and a government of checks and balances, and enter into a realm of autocratic determination of Justice and its meaning, and a realm where there is no real Law and no real Justice -- FOR ALL.

Given the way the Law is written granting Congress the oversight role and the ability to subpoena tax and other information for a public official who is NOT just a citizen with full citizen rights, the Supreme Court should rule against Trump's appeal, or they are not honestly practicing their profession.

I keep worrying if we'll pass some critical point in the future when it will necessary to depose a Trump dictatorship. And that's why I've come more and more to be a firebrand in the midst of all this patient deferral to process, civility and decency.
 

DrDoug

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The test of our system of government will show in the appeals courts

Merrick Garland is the Chief United States Circuit Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. You know, the one who had his shot at the USSC stolen from him? He's in charge of the appeals in this case.

I'm thinking that he is going to follow the law in this case. Painstakingly.
 

brycejones

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Unfair, partisan Obama judge giving dems a do over. No president before ever has been told they have to turn over documents to Congress as part of an illegal coup takedown of a totally legitimate president who never succeeded in obstruction of justice despite trying really hard.

It’s unfair that judges appointed by other presidents hear cases about Trump. It should only be Trump judges.
 

HomerJS

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Someone pass the mustard to put on that nothingburger

Finally some good news. Let's hope the courts continue to blunt Trump's stalling
 
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Unfair, partisan Obama judge giving dems a do over. No president before ever has been told they have to turn over documents to Congress as part of an illegal coup takedown of a totally legitimate president who never succeeded in obstruction of justice despite trying really hard.

It’s unfair that judges appointed by other presidents hear cases about Trump. It should only be Trump judges.

He's stacking the courts as fast as he can

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2019/may/11/trump-judge-nominees-appointments-circut-court-flip

https://news.bloomberglaw.com/us-law-week/trump-on-verge-of-40-appeals-court-confirmations
 

Viper1j

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Unfair, partisan Obama judge giving dems a do over. No president before ever has been told they have to turn over documents to Congress as part of an illegal coup takedown of a totally legitimate president who never succeeded in obstruction of justice despite trying really hard.

It’s unfair that judges appointed by other presidents hear cases about Trump. It should only be Trump judges.

I'll speak to Nurse Ratchet, about upping the dosage on your medications.
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Merrick Garland is the Chief United States Circuit Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. You know, the one who had his shot at the USSC stolen from him? He's in charge of the appeals in this case.

I'm thinking that he is going to follow the law in this case. Painstakingly.


There's no basis for any appeal judge to hear the case and so the lower decision stands. Because someone wants to appeal based on the legal principle of dressing up in a chicken suit does not mean they will get one. The Dems need to get on the stick now regarding Mnuchin although I wonder if Mazar's documents contain the same information as his federal tax documents and if they don't match up then Trump likely committed criminal fraud and that last NY is very keen on determining.
 

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The very best part is..

NO STAY PENDING APPEAL!

Let the fucking begin. They have to turn over the docs, and IF Donny should win on appeal (as if) Well, you can't unring a bell.

I should not be surprised if Deutsche Bank and Trump loans and real estate in an attempt to buy the Bills comes out. In manipulating figures, Trump likely will have committed tax and other fraud (NY has him pretty well screwed for this) and those are felony crimes.

If the above is true and the Dems impeach an article of impeachment with hard documentation to prove the crime, the Reps will be in an awkward situation come the Senate trial. Collusion? He said she said- not guilty, no collusion. Obstruction? In the eye of the beholder- Innocent. Major demonstrable felonies at federal and state levels? Can we go back to collusion?

An actual criminal immune only because of the Office with no question of he said/she said, no impugning witnesses, but black and red ink and all the documents that go with it. Enough Reps, maybe, will not want to sign on for that one.
 

HomerJS

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Humpty Trumpty's lawyers just filed their appeal in U.S. District Court in Washington, DC. Take one guess who oversees that court??

Hint: I'm laughing already!!! :)
 

soundforbjt

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Humpty Trumpty's lawyers just filed their appeal in U.S. District Court in Washington, DC. Take one guess who oversees that court??

Hint: I'm laughing already!!! :)
Now we know what he'll blame that decision on and will take it to the Supreme court where his appointed toadies sit.
 

hal2kilo

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I blame the turtle for that.
Thing is that a lot of these judges they are appointing have precious little experience and are most definitely political hacks. Let's see how often these clowns get appealed and the cases are thrown out. Betcha it's going to be a lot.