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funboy6942

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Originally posted by: Vic
It's badly fouled plugs, or something related to (like coilpacks, etc.). Simple tune-up issue. Probably the plugs though, as you said that initially it would go away after 30 minutes of driving.

Reading this thread made me realize why people think American cars are unreliable. You don't maintain them properly.

Makes me happy because of people like this, think their car is a POS and falling aprt needing several thousand dollars worth of parts. I buy them for a few hundred, slap in a $8 set of plugs, some new brakes, clean it up, drive it for a few months, and sell it doing it all over again and pocket a few bills in the process.
 
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guys this is NOT a fuel pump issue..
I had this a few montsh ago..and you guys gave teh same answers. Trust me.. i know what the problem is.
Its a problem with the SPI line of engines dating all the way back to the 1970's.
 

Pacfanweb

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Good Guy may well be right, but this problem could be other things, too. I've worked on too many thousands of cars and seen the exact same symptoms be something completely different too many times to say it's absolutely one thing only.

However, I doubt it's the cat converter, because that should mess up all the cylinders if it was the problem.
 

amdforever2

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UPDATE:


Had the car fixed.

$366

including parts and labor



Did I get screwed?

They said the problem was:


Spark plugs and wires never changed since new (now at 143k miles)
Round thingie that the wires come out of, the thing that tells the plugs when to fire, had gone berserk. (coil pack?)
Fuel Filter in poor condition, replaced.
Air filter crap, also replaced.
Some tube near EGR had disconnected leading to an exhaust smell issue, in addition to the engine not burning fuel properly.

So they replaced all that stuff. It runs fine now.

They said had I let it continue misfiring and kept driving it eventually the raw fuel dumping into the exhaust or whatever would have destroyed the catalytic convertor.
 

BUTCH1

Lifer
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Originally posted by: TheGoodGuy
guys this is NOT a fuel pump issue..
I had this a few montsh ago..and you guys gave teh same answers. Trust me.. i know what the problem is.
Its a problem with the SPI line of engines dating all the way back to the 1970's.

GG, you may be referring to this problem were the
valve seat drops causing a major repair I did the work myself (had a machine shop re-
do the head) cost was $500, and a lot of work. Too bad as other than that my 'scort
held up well for a cheap car, the AC, Alt, tranny ,electronics all lasted 171K...
 
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Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Originally posted by: TheGoodGuy
guys this is NOT a fuel pump issue..
I had this a few montsh ago..and you guys gave teh same answers. Trust me.. i know what the problem is.
Its a problem with the SPI line of engines dating all the way back to the 1970's.

GG, you may be referring to this problem were the
valve seat drops causing a major repair I did the work myself (had a machine shop re-
do the head) cost was $500, and a lot of work. Too bad as other than that my 'scort
held up well for a cheap car, the AC, Alt, tranny ,electronics all lasted 171K...

yup i had that.. :)

amdforver2.. i am glad it was simple as changing plugs. Its really good to stick to maintance schedules. My focus has been reliable execpt for the head issue i had recently. So do your oil changes, and other maintances regularly and you should be good.
 

funboy6942

Lifer
Nov 13, 2001
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Originally posted by: amdforever2
UPDATE:


Had the car fixed.

$366

including parts and labor



Did I get screwed?

They said the problem was:


Spark plugs and wires never changed since new (now at 143k miles)
Round thingie that the wires come out of, the thing that tells the plugs when to fire, had gone berserk. (coil pack?)
Fuel Filter in poor condition, replaced.
Air filter crap, also replaced.
Some tube near EGR had disconnected leading to an exhaust smell issue, in addition to the engine not burning fuel properly.

So they replaced all that stuff. It runs fine now.

They said had I let it continue misfiring and kept driving it eventually the raw fuel dumping into the exhaust or whatever would have destroyed the catalytic convertor.

Hell yes you got screwed damnit.

Spark plugs $2 each=$8 easily changed yourself
Wires 4 of them $15
Coil pack, highly unlikely that even needed to be changed at all. It is a sealed system and they either work or they dont, considering you went 140K, talk about neglect btw should of been done, oh, about 110K miles ago, it was nothing more then Plugs and Wires.
Fuel filter yes it should of been changed $8.88 easily changed yourself.
Air filter Yes $8.44 easily changed yourself.

So roughly $45 in parts if you bought and did the work yourself, like I mentioned, which means you paid them $324 to put your EGR hose back on and to stick you up the ass with no lube, I sure hope they kissed you all over for as much fvcking they did to you. And hell no I wasnt going to sugar coat this and one of the reasons I have my son help me all the time when I work on my cars. What would of been a $45 bill for you turned into a $366 bill.

All you would of needed to do the work is a $10 Chiltons manual book, that all parts stores carry, a cheap $20 set of tools that have spark plug sockets (walmart), and some screw drivers. All of which, as you see, would of paid for itself on this first repair. Time wise this would of taken you about 2 hours which I am sure if you added up all the time you spent going back and forth to the auto shop, or waited for it, used as much time or more. At which point how much is your time worth to you to wait for someone to work on your car and pay them.

Just food for thought the next time your car may need brakes, a belt, oil change, something kinda simple.

Edit
BTW if your coil pack was indeed fubar, like they told you, it would of shot off a code for it when you took it in, not just a mis fire code. Id check to see if they even changed it.
 

Vic

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Considering he called it the "round thingie," I think he got a fair deal. :p

At 143k miles, the cat is probably already gone anyway.
 

amdforever2

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Because they were slow and I was bored, I did watch them change it.


I do in fact have a new round thingie.

;)


Whether or not it was necessary, I can't say.