And Nancy settles the question on impeachment. Nope?

[Moonbeam]

Pelosi seems to understand something that Peter Rodino (and to a lesser extent, Tip O'Neill) understood in 1974: that the public has to be brought on board for any potential impeachment to succeed. The vast majority of the public hasn't read the Mueller report, and investigations are the tool to inform those who need to be exposed to the evidence.

Rodino's methodical approach - which was opposed by some on the Judiciary Committee staff, also allowed him to keep the Southern Democrats on board, which in turn allowed him to obtain enough Republican votes to squelch accusations of partisanship. It's debatable whether anything near that level of bipartisanship is achievable today, but a rush to impeachment would rule it out completely.

Also, as has been pointed out, at the moment she's dealing from strength. As the legal battle continues the Administration's position gets weaker and weaker, and its shortcomings become more and more evident; to abandon this approach in favor of a political fight, would only squander this advantage.

I have moved in your direction away from an impeach now approach owing to the fact that Trump seems to want to help impeach himself. I am really like the fact that he is rapidly doing stuff like refusing to govern so long as the investigations go on that makes his Presidency more and more obviously untenable. The more he proclaims himself to be a stable genius the farther from reality and the more absurd defending him becomes. I like the odds of Democrats running against Republicans in 2020 will look like they are running against Baghdad Bob. Every one of them deserves to lose their jobs as protectors of the Russian mob.

 

[VRAMdemon]

I have moved in your direction away from an impeach now approach owing to the fact that Trump seems to want to help impeach himself. I am really like the fact that he is rapidly doing stuff like refusing to govern so long as the investigations go on that makes his Presidency more and more obviously untenable. The more he proclaims himself to be a stable genius the farther from reality and the more absurd defending him becomes. I like the odds of Democrats running against Republicans in 2020 will look like they are running against Baghdad Bob. Every one of them deserves to lose their jobs as protectors of the Russian mob.

Trump wants the political fight. He's terrified of the legal fight. I would assume that's why Pelosi is trying to keep things in the legal realm for as long as she can. Trump wants impeachment because it's his best bet to save himself from legal jeopardy. He wants to stay in the realm of the political where he and eventually McConnell can manipulate the narrative.

With Trump, it's all psychological projection: however he describes his "enemies" is what he is and however he describes himself is what he is not.

To him, Pelosi is the crazy, temper-tantrum-throwing one who is unstable and going senile and can't comprehend legislative bills.

Quick, Nancy!... better line up some staffers to publically assure us you're not.

The only thing keeping me from throwing my hands in the air and abandoning the Democrats during this debacle of deadline after deadline and sternly worded letters is that I accept that Nancy Pelosi has forgotten more about politics than I ever knew, and I'm hoping that her instincts here are better than mine.

 

[hal2kilo]

Of course Trump wants impeachment so he can campaign on being exonerated by the Senate and claim the Dems are just mad because they lost the election. Democrats need to get the tax returns, financials, etc, and have the witnesses testify in open hearings so the People can begin to understand how corrupt trump's administration actually is. Until Dems get the majority of the People on their side impeachment will only help Trump to a degree. The average person doesn't care about the Mueller Report nor could probably tell you anything about it's findings.

Unfortunately, I agree.

 

[hal2kilo]

So you now have the inside scoop between Bolton and Trump?

Clue. It's called history. Sadly, people never learn and repeat it.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Reverse psychology?

its not reverse psyxchology -- it`s called the truth! Anything positive concerning Trump that were to come from this will just give Trump the final word to say he was targeted!
Now when the dems have their geese all in a row then things will go a different way!
Currently it is good for Trump to try to get the dems to impeach him!1

 

[blackangst1]

Of course she has. Dems are still gathering evidence.

Keep kicking that can down the street.

 

[Jhhnn]

Trump wants the political fight. He's terrified of the legal fight. I would assume that's why Pelosi is trying to keep things in the legal realm for as long as she can. Trump wants impeachment because it's his best bet to save himself from legal jeopardy. He wants to stay in the realm of the political where he and eventually McConnell can manipulate the narrative.

With Trump, it's all psychological projection: however he describes his "enemies" is what he is and however he describes himself is what he is not.

To him, Pelosi is the crazy, temper-tantrum-throwing one who is unstable and going senile and can't comprehend legislative bills.

Quick, Nancy!... better line up some staffers to publically assure us you're not.

The only thing keeping me from throwing my hands in the air and abandoning the Democrats during this debacle of deadline after deadline and sternly worded letters is that I accept that Nancy Pelosi has forgotten more about politics than I ever knew, and I'm hoping that her instincts here are better than mine.

Barr & Trump are the ones stalling & withholding information, not Pelosi. At the same time, they'd love for Dems to go off half cocked before overcoming Barr's most excellent bullshit. The bullshit asymmetry principle, Brandolini's law, applies. It will require considerable effort.

What's happening now is that every time the Admin obstructs Congress takes it to court. That's what they have to do. If at any point the Admin defies a SCOTUS ruling it will create a Constitutional crisis & be grounds for impeachment all on its own.

It gets weird at that point. Trump creates all kinds of previously unimaginable scenarios. What if the Court held the President in contempt & ordered him arrested? It's far-fetched, but what if they ordered the Cabinet to invoke the 25th amendment?

 

[Jhhnn]

Keep kicking that can down the street.

Keep tearin' down the Democrats while there's a criminal in the oval office. So smart. Congress has been back in session 4 weeks today. Barr has been laying down the most excellent bullshit since March 24, a nice head start.

Before we actually impeach Trump it's a very good idea to make sure people know why & they really don't, not yet. The more that becomes known the more everybody will understand that it's simply a moral imperative, a necessary thing to protect the rule of law & the Constitution itself.

 

[blackangst1]

Keep tearin' down the Democrats while there's a criminal in the oval office. So smart. Congress has been back in session 4 weeks today. Barr has been laying down the most excellent bullshit since March 24, a nice head start.

Before we actually impeach Trump it's a very good idea to make sure people know why & they really don't, not yet. The more that becomes known the more everybody will understand that it's simply a moral imperative, a necessary thing to protect the rule of law & the Constitution itself.

Yep. Keep kicking. Nothing will happen to Trump until possibly he gets out of office.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Yep. Keep kicking. Nothing will happen to Trump until possibly he gets out of office.

Nothing you say on these forums will make the dems try to impeach Nix...Trump!
But you can bet when all the loose ends to this charade of a President get tied that impeachment will take place and be successful!
For now it is prudent and wise to gather all the information before going to the next step!


Great article on why Pelosi is not pushing for impeachment -- yet!!
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/pelosi-plenty-reasons-not-impeach-121454536.html

 

[Jhhnn]

Yep. Keep kicking. Nothing will happen to Trump until possibly he gets out of office.

That's the clairvoyance of negativity, right?

 

[blackangst1]

Nothing you say on these forums will make the dems try to impeach Nix...Trump!
But you can bet when all the loose ends to this charade of a President get tied that impeachment will take place and be successful!
For now it is prudent and wise to gather all the information before going to the next step!


Great article on why Pelosi is not pushing for impeachment -- yet!!
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/pelosi-plenty-reasons-not-impeach-121454536.html

And as I've always said, if there's enough to prosecute on, prosecute away. You think the public knows all the details? Haha we're all just fed what the media gives us.

But back to the topic. Do you support Biden's ideas on illegal immigration?

 

[Jhhnn]

And as I've always said, if there's enough to prosecute on, prosecute away. You think the public knows all the details? Haha we're all just fed what the media gives us.

But back to the topic. Do you support Biden's ideas on illegal immigration?

That's not the topic of this thread.

 

[blackangst1]

That's not the topic of this thread.

Oops my bad. Wrong thread. Although my first comment is on topic.

 

[Jhhnn]

And as I've always said, if there's enough to prosecute on, prosecute away. You think the public knows all the details? Haha we're all just fed what the media gives us.

The public has received Barr's excellent bullshit full force. He got out front & will take considerable effort to counter. Is there something about the bullshit asymmetry principle you don't understand?

 

[blackangst1]

The public has received Barr's excellent bullshit full force. He got out front & will take considerable effort to counter. Is there something about the bullshit asymmetry principle you don't understand?

Yeah. The thing the Democrats are digging for. Conclusive evidence.

The bullshit is Democrats saying they don't have support in the Senate. The truth is they're isn't evidence to impeach. There wasn't enough support in the Senate but the House still impeached Clinton. I know it's the Democrats goal to hurt Trump as much as possible. So why not impeach?

 

[Jhhnn]

Yeah. The thing the Democrats are digging for. Conclusive evidence.

The bullshit is Democrats saying they don't have support in the Senate. The truth is they're isn't evidence to impeach. There wasn't enough support in the Senate but the House still impeached Clinton. I know it's the Democrats goal to hurt Trump as much as possible. So why not impeach?

Dems want the support of the People & they're setting out to get it despite all of Barr's dishonest spin.

 

[blackangst1]

Dems want the support of the People & they're setting out to get it despite all of Barr's dishonest spin.

According to the polls people are tired of trump and his bullshit right? That's why I keep hearing on these forums. I mean .. I've seen threads about Trump's very low support.

Oh and bullshit implies lies. What has Barr lied about?

Personally the bullshit is coming from the Dems.

 

[Jhhnn]

According to the polls people are tired of trump and his bullshit right? That's why I keep hearing on these forums. I mean .. I've seen threads about Trump's very low support.

Oh and bullshit implies lies. What has Barr lied about?

Personally the bullshit is coming from the Dems.

Excuse me, but when the Special Counsel says he cannot exonerate Trump of the charges of obstruction it means that his boss can't do it, either. It's over the head of the DoJ & into the realm of Congress. If Congress is to make the best decision possible they'll need all the evidence to do so. Barr is withholding that evidence, plain & simple. He's even trying to discredit the investigation entirely with some deep state spying conspiracy theory about the origins of it. The fact that you & others argue the way you do indicates he got some mileage out of it, at least for awhile.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Yeah. The thing the Democrats are digging for. Conclusive evidence.

The bullshit is Democrats saying they don't have support in the Senate. The truth is they're isn't evidence to impeach. There wasn't enough support in the Senate but the House still impeached Clinton. I know it's the Democrats goal to hurt Trump as much as possible. So why not impeach?

Why do the Dems need conclusive evidence?
Your President is slowly but surely setting the stage for his impeachment, just by the way he is acting.....
If your own Republican comrades were not scared shitless of losing the Senate ore losing the white house they would already be lined up in favor of a backing a Democratic call for impeachment!

 

[blackangst1]

Why do the Dems need conclusive evidence?
Your President is slowly but surely setting the stage for his impeachment, just by the way he is acting.....
If your own Republican comrades were not scared shitless of losing the Senate ore losing the white house they would already be lined up in favor of a backing a Democratic call for impeachment!

My Republican comrades? Haha that's funny.

If there's evidence to impeach, then impeach. But so far there isn't.

 

[JEDIYoda]

 

[JEDIYoda]

My Republican comrades? Haha that's funny.

If there's evidence to impeach, then impeach. But so far there isn't.

The issue is not evidence to impeach, because there is evidence!
But in this case the more evidence you have the better and the harder to refute!!
If I didn`t know better the only reason you are hung up on impeachment is because and rightly so it is advantageous for you and your comrades to have Trump impeached....sort of a start over mid term......
But the Democrats are not stupid and as such will act when the time is appropriate!

 

[blackangst1]

The issue is not evidence to impeach, because there is evidence!
But in this case the more evidence you have the better and the harder to refute!!
If I didn`t know better the only reason you are hung up on impeachment is because and rightly so it is advantageous for you and your comrades to have Trump impeached....sort of a start over mid term......
But the democrats are not stupid and as such will act when the time is appropriate!

Lol ok man

 

[obidamnkenobi]

Impeachment would only benefit Trump, and probably get him reelected, or at best (worst?) make Pence president. So who are these idiot democrats who keep pushing for this?! Why?