And Nancy settles the question on impeachment. Nope?

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soundforbjt

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Of course Trump wants impeachment so he can campaign on being exonerated by the Senate and claim the Dems are just mad because they lost the election. Democrats need to get the tax returns, financials, etc, and have the witnesses testify in open hearings so the People can begin to understand how corrupt trump's administration actually is. Until Dems get the majority of the People on their side impeachment will only help Trump to a degree. The average person doesn't care about the Mueller Report nor could probably tell you anything about it's findings.
 
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soundforbjt said:
Of course Trump wants impeachment so he can campaign on being exonerated by the Senate and claim the Dems are just mad because they lost the election. Democrats need to get the tax returns, financials, etc, and have the witnesses testify in open hearings so the People can begin to understand how corrupt trump's administration actually is. Until Dems get the majority of the People on their side impeachment will only help Trump to a degree. The average person doesn't care about the Mueller Report nor could probably tell you anything about it's findings.
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You're absolutely right. We all know the Senate Republicans would exonerate them if he bribed Putin on the Senate floor while raping Ted Cruz's wife on top of the bodies of 10 undocumented immigrants that he murdered by hand. So we need to make sure the public sees his corruption and that of the GOP who are trying to protect him.
 
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Jhhnn said:
Of course she has. Dems are still gathering evidence.
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I hope you are right but there's a balance between having evidence and a window of opportunity to act before even more lasting damage is done. I will say I liked how she brushed Conway away.
 
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It seems...She believes the path to chipping away is to continue to demonstrate that the Democrats are carefully and thoughtfully moving toward impeachment as a matter of law and constitutional duty, not for partisan reasons, while simultaneously passing legislation that most Americans view favorably, yet the Senate refuses to take up for a vote.

Right now, fewer than 13% of her caucus are active supporters of impeachment. 53% of Americans do not want impeachment proceedings -- yet. (Pay particular attention to the figures noted for independent voters in that article.) 73% of Americans want to hear Mueller testify. What do those numbers tell you? What they tell me is, the mealy mouthed Soft Middle is open to being persuaded, but they are not there at the moment.

Pelosi knows that if she moves for formal articles of impeachment too soon, Trump, McConnell, the Russians and Fox "News" will immediately brand it as a purely partisan action. With their records of past success, I can understand why she is reluctant to open that Pandora's Box. The minute she does it, she loses control over the process and the narrative.

As you can see by the little tantrum/spectacle he put on in the Rose Garden, it's driving Trump nuts. "I don't do coverups!" - says the guy who paid hush money to a porn star... lol

Trump loses credibility by the day. The Democrats' efforts to reveal the extent of his depravity, both personal and financial, are only beginning to pay off. I'm willing to give it a little time - and I say this as someone who has wanted impeachment since the day this con artist, habitual liar strolled into the Oval Office.
 
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VRAMdemon said:
It seems...She believes the path to chipping away is to continue to demonstrate that the Democrats are carefully and thoughtfully moving toward impeachment as a matter of law and constitutional duty, not for partisan reasons, while simultaneously passing legislation that most Americans view favorably, yet the Senate refuses to take up for a vote.

Right now, fewer than 13% of her caucus are active supporters of impeachment. 53% of Americans do not want impeachment proceedings -- yet. (Pay particular attention to the figures noted for independent voters in that article.) 73% of Americans want to hear Mueller testify. What do those numbers tell you? What they tell me is, the mealy mouthed Soft Middle is open to being persuaded, but they are not there at the moment.

Pelosi knows that if she moves for formal articles of impeachment too soon, Trump, McConnell, the Russians and Fox "News" will immediately brand it as a purely partisan action. With their records of past success, I can understand why she is reluctant to open that Pandora's Box. The minute she does it, she loses control over the process and the narrative.

As you can see by the little tantrum/spectacle he put on in the Rose Garden, it's driving Trump nuts. "I don't do coverups!" - says the guy who paid hush money to a porn star... lol

Trump loses credibility by the day. The Democrats' efforts to reveal the extent of his depravity, both personal and financial, are only beginning to pay off. I'm willing to give it a little time - and I say this as someone who has wanted impeachment since the day this con artist, habitual liar strolled into the Oval Office.
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Exactly, "we" can see the corruption, but the average american is too "busy" watching GoT, etc to pay attention to politics. They just see some small bits on the nightly network news, not enough for them to fully understand the depth of the corruption.
 
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Well, theres been a lot of activity in the courts of the past few days.
And none of it good for Donald Trump.
Democrats will get the taxes and banking documents and most of what they are subpoena-ing, and then determine the path to impeachment.
I think Nancy should start the process now. Surely house democrats can do too things at the same time. Start impeachment AND gather the records needed via the courts.
But Nancy loves THE GAME of politics.
She's a political chess player. Nancy will prefer to take her time and play the game of politics.
I assume, after gathering all the evidence, her efforts will force "some" senate republicans to see the light. To do their duty.
I mean, if the evidence is right in front of them that Trump used Russian banks to launder money for his business and his 2016 campaign, wouldn't senate republicans be forced in supporting impeachment?
Wouldn't they?
Wouldn't they have an obligation as Americans?
Wouldn't they have an obligation as a branch of government?
An obligation in the name of national security?
Isn't that how its suppose to work?
:rolleyes: Yeah....Right.....
 
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VRAMdemon said:
It seems...She believes the path to chipping away is to continue to demonstrate that the Democrats are carefully and thoughtfully moving toward impeachment as a matter of law and constitutional duty, not for partisan reasons, while simultaneously passing legislation that most Americans view favorably, yet the Senate refuses to take up for a vote.

Right now, fewer than 13% of her caucus are active supporters of impeachment. 53% of Americans do not want impeachment proceedings -- yet. (Pay particular attention to the figures noted for independent voters in that article.) 73% of Americans want to hear Mueller testify. What do those numbers tell you? What they tell me is, the mealy mouthed Soft Middle is open to being persuaded, but they are not there at the moment.

Pelosi knows that if she moves for formal articles of impeachment too soon, Trump, McConnell, the Russians and Fox "News" will immediately brand it as a purely partisan action. With their records of past success, I can understand why she is reluctant to open that Pandora's Box. The minute she does it, she loses control over the process and the narrative.

As you can see by the little tantrum/spectacle he put on in the Rose Garden, it's driving Trump nuts. "I don't do coverups!" - says the guy who paid hush money to a porn star... lol

Trump loses credibility by the day. The Democrats' efforts to reveal the extent of his depravity, both personal and financial, are only beginning to pay off. I'm willing to give it a little time - and I say this as someone who has wanted impeachment since the day this con artist, habitual liar strolled into the Oval Office.
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Agreed. Along with that, Dems need to change the narrative about Iran so the war mongers can't sweep aside domestic concerns in support of a new war president... The whole thing is highly contrived & actually shameful.
 
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Thank goodness those dead immigrants can wait forever.

Nancy really has this all figured out.
 
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Nancy Pelosi has the orange carbuncle called Trump looking and sounding like he's about to pop. Well played ma'am. That's comedy gold right there, the guy who pays off pornstars and hired Bob Barr to make the Mueller Report go away says 'he doesn't do cover ups.' Good stuff, even had a Trumper I know give a good scoff and start laughing.

I hope:

John Bolton is brought up as much as possible. He's already trying to be Secretary of State. He starts getting too much exposure and he will be shat out like so many others. That really needs to happen, as starting a war with Iran has been John Bolton's wet dream for decades. He knows he isn't going to get another shot at it.

Trump keeps acting guilty as hell, especially saying things like "I can't do anything if I'm being investigated." The 'can't walk and chew gum' routine added to the obstructive threat is corrosive to Senate cover, and will pair nicely with the consistent pressure Dems are applying via their duty and the law.
 
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Pelosi seems to understand something that Peter Rodino (and to a lesser extent, Tip O'Neill) understood in 1974: that the public has to be brought on board for any potential impeachment to succeed. The vast majority of the public hasn't read the Mueller report, and investigations are the tool to inform those who need to be exposed to the evidence.

Rodino's methodical approach - which was opposed by some on the Judiciary Committee staff, also allowed him to keep the Southern Democrats on board, which in turn allowed him to obtain enough Republican votes to squelch accusations of partisanship. It's debatable whether anything near that level of bipartisanship is achievable today, but a rush to impeachment would rule it out completely.

Also, as has been pointed out, at the moment she's dealing from strength. As the legal battle continues the Administration's position gets weaker and weaker, and its shortcomings become more and more evident; to abandon this approach in favor of a political fight, would only squander this advantage.
 
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If I had to guess, I'd say Pelosi is waiting until we get closer to the election and then she'll drop a bomb on Trump with impeachment proceedings. That way the dems can inflect damage regardless of the results. The only risk is that Trump will stop being a jackass before then, and the probability of that happening is effectively zero, unless he has a stroke.
 
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Greenman said:
If I had to guess, I'd say Pelosi is waiting until we get closer to the election and then she'll drop a bomb on Trump with impeachment proceedings. That way the dems can inflect damage regardless of the results. The only risk is that Trump will stop being a jackass before then, and the probability of that happening is effectively zero, unless he has a stroke.
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The other risk is a ginned up war with Iran. Bolton is already trying to convince him that it's a great idea...
 
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Jhhnn said:
The other risk is a ginned up war with Iran. Bolton is already trying to convince him that it's a great idea...
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I really want to believe that's not going to happen. We don't need another pointless war in a country most of us don't give two shits about.
 
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pcgeek11 said:
So you now have the inside scoop between Bolton and Trump?
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Bolton stacked the NSC with Iran hardliners and has pushed harsher steps at every turn, in concert with Pompeo That his boner for going to war with Iran is about the size of Cleveland is one of the worst kept secrets of modern politics.
 
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