And if things couldn't get any worse...

[tommywishbone]

It does sort of have that Loan-Shark-outside-the-casino feel to it.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
I don't disagree that the military is a good option for many of these people, but the timing is really messed up. At least give these people a few weeks to absorb their new challenges and to make rational decisions.

The people that aren't interested or need more time aren't going to participate. They aren't forcing the people to go to a lecture at gunpoint. Like all the other exhibts being set up there is likely a tent in a parking lot and flyers and announcements made in the dome. No one has to go. There is no reason to delay because there are going to be a number of people that don't want to sit around for a couple of weeks living on a cot with no privacy.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99

Originally posted by: rahvin
I'm sorry but a lot of people in the shelters are looking for jobs so they can start to get their lives back (the ones that have come to utah said exactly that on the news). The millitary is a good job for those that want it. Not only do they get an ok wage but the millitary will pay for housing AND healthcare for their families. If I was in their situation I would consider the millitary pretty hard and it's not disrespectful to be offering them jobs.

Are you upset that Customs took all the illegal counterfiet goods they have siezed this year and gave them to the vicitims?

I don't disagree that the military is a good option for many of these people, but the timing is really messed up. At least give these people a few weeks to absorb their new challenges and to make rational decisions.

Exactly. The timing is simply is horrible taste.

 

[Bumrush99]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
I don't disagree that the military is a good option for many of these people, but the timing is really messed up. At least give these people a few weeks to absorb their new challenges and to make rational decisions.

The people that aren't interested or need more time aren't going to participate. They aren't forcing the people to go to a lecture at gunpoint. Like all the other exhibts being set up there is likely a tent in a parking lot and flyers and announcements made in the dome. No one has to go. There is no reason to delay because there are going to be a number of people that don't want to sit around for a couple of weeks living on a cot with no privacy.

Rahvin, you are being too rational about this. Try to imagine for a second the emotional impact of losing family members and all of your worldly possessions. Most of these people had no insurance and have nothing left. While your arguments make rational sense, the disaster of this past week has many people feeling irrational and emotionally unstable. Not the best time to be making life altering decisions.

 

[GTaudiophile]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
gets em off welfare and into a job.

:thumbsup:

If public funds are putting them in the Astrodome, then the Army has every right IMO. Let's not forget we have a volunteer Army. They can listen, leave, or sign up. No one is forcing them to do anything.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
This is a "developing" story. Apparently, it's been reported that the Army is holding military recruiting "fair" inside the Astrodome.

This is a direct, shameless exploitation of the victims of this disaster in their most vulnerable time of their lives.

Poor, poor taste.

how is it shameful?? its a great oppunity for people who have no job, no house, and in their eyes no future to get a job get some training in a specific career and get paid. How is it any different than a corp coming down and doing recruiting?

Because, aside from Haliburton and the other war profiteers, working for a corporation isn't going to get you killed or shipped 10,000 miles away to a desert hellhole to participate in George and Dick's Excellent Adventure

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Rahvin, you are being too rational about this. Try to imagine for a second the emotional impact of losing family members and all of your worldly possessions. Most of these people had no insurance and have nothing left. While your arguments make rational sense, the disaster of this past week has many people feeling irrational and emotionally unstable. Not the best time to be making life altering decisions.

They aren't being forced into anything. Why don't you let them make the decision instead of trying to make it for them. As I said before there are plenty of people that didn't lose family members and don't want to sit around for a couple weeks doing nothing and sleeping on a cot 2' away from 20,000 people with no privacy. Many of the people I have seen interviewed on TV want out of the dome ASAP. There is NOTHING wrong about having a recruiting tent in the parking lot.

 

[JacobJ]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Rahvin, you are being too rational about this. Try to imagine for a second the emotional impact of losing family members and all of your worldly possessions. Most of these people had no insurance and have nothing left. While your arguments make rational sense, the disaster of this past week has many people feeling irrational and emotionally unstable. Not the best time to be making life altering decisions.

They aren't being forced into anything. Why don't you let them make the decision instead of trying to make it for them. As I said before there are plenty of people that didn't lose family members and don't want to sit around for a couple weeks doing nothing and sleeping on a cot 2' away from 20,000 people with no privacy. Many of the people I have seen interviewed on TV want out of the dome ASAP. There is NOTHING wrong about having a recruiting tent in the parking lot.

I have a friend who signed up for the military late last year. His bootcamp keeps getting pushed farther back. It was first going to be in february...it's september now and it still hasn't happened. If you think the people who sign up are going to be shipped off immediately, you're seriously mistaken.

 

[johnnobts]

nothing wrong with the army setting up a recruitment center amidst so many people who will be looking for new jobs/careers. There are job fairs in Baton Rouge and throughout Houston, trying to employ these folks. besides, don't you remember when you were graduating from high school or college and went to a job fair? i remember seeing the Navy, Marines, Air Force, and Army camps all passing out pens and flyers and taking phone numbers. Remember? or were you born with a silver spoon in your mouth and didn't need to work? cut the military some slack here, you anti-military types. its a good job, possible long-term carreer with training, college aid, healthcare, and last time i checked, we needed some more troops.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Woah! Woah! Woah!

I'm not saying that the military wouldn't be a good solution for some. It would be.

They've been through a traumatic event, lost family, friends and neighbors. Joining the military should not be decided upon lightly. There is a time for recruitment and there is a time to give space. This is a time to give space so they can decide what the future holds for them.

 

[maluckey]

It's a job.

But, they shouldn't be doing it *at* the Astrodome, if that's the case. Maybe ask the Red Cross/FEMA if flyers could be posted and they setup something outside.

Conjur, I totally agree with your POV on this one. It is a little oportunistic to set up shop at the Astrodome. It is a good thing o offer jobs and security to those who have none.

And for those that do not know, there are jobs not related to combat in the Army. In fact MOST of the jobs in the Army do not involve being combat MOS. Some of the very poor cannot afford an education....it's free in the Army. Also for those who don't know.....(and whose feelings are easily hurt). There are no 2 year initial contracts in the Army. ALL initial contracts are for eight (8) years. Despite what you've heard, you are forced to read and understand EVERY single word of your contract (under supervision at that). Even after reading it, it is explained until you are sick of hearing it.

 

[Train]

So is every Houston business that offers jobs to people in the Astrodome a "direct, shameless exploitation of the victims of this disaster in their most vulnerable time of their lives" ??

How is the Military, as an employer, held to any different standard than the thousands of other businesses that will hire these refugees? If they were drafting these people, you might have an argument. But they are not, so you don't.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Train
So is every Houston business that offers jobs to people in the Astrodome a "direct, shameless exploitation of the victims of this disaster in their most vulnerable time of their lives" ??

How is the Military, as an employer, held to any different standard than the thousands of other businesses that will hire these refugees? If they were drafting these people, you might have an argument. But they are not, so you don't.

Jobs at "at-will". You can leave a job at any time. If the survivors decided that the job they chose or the area they chose to live in wasn't right for them, they can leave the job or move down the line.

You can't just "leave" the military.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Train
So is every Houston business that offers jobs to people in the Astrodome a "direct, shameless exploitation of the victims of this disaster in their most vulnerable time of their lives" ??

How is the Military, as an employer, held to any different standard than the thousands of other businesses that will hire these refugees? If they were drafting these people, you might have an argument. But they are not, so you don't.

Jobs at "at-will". You can leave a job at any time. If the survivors decided that the job they chose or the area they chose to live in wasn't right for them, they can leave the job or move down the line.

You can't just "leave" the military.

Wow good argument. Thats why they have civilians there to make sure you understand the contract, they give you a breathalizer to ensure you are legally able to enter into a contract. And ask you a million frikkin times if you are sure of what you are doing.

And any job thay shells out over $100,000 to train you in the first 6 months alone, is going to ask for a contractual commitment. No matter who it is.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Train
So is every Houston business that offers jobs to people in the Astrodome a "direct, shameless exploitation of the victims of this disaster in their most vulnerable time of their lives" ??

How is the Military, as an employer, held to any different standard than the thousands of other businesses that will hire these refugees? If they were drafting these people, you might have an argument. But they are not, so you don't.

Jobs at "at-will". You can leave a job at any time. If the survivors decided that the job they chose or the area they chose to live in wasn't right for them, they can leave the job or move down the line.

You can't just "leave" the military.

Wow good argument. Thats why they have civilians there to make sure you understand the contract, they give you a breathalizer to ensure you are legally able to enter into a contract. And ask you a million frikkin times if you are sure of what you are doing.

And any job thay shells out over $100,000 to train you in the first 6 months alone, is going to ask for a contractual commitment. No matter who it is.

If so, why the need for "recruiting"... wouldn't they FLOCK to their local recruiter? C'mon man, this is not anti-military and you know it. Just give people some space to think and decide.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Train
So is every Houston business that offers jobs to people in the Astrodome a "direct, shameless exploitation of the victims of this disaster in their most vulnerable time of their lives" ??

How is the Military, as an employer, held to any different standard than the thousands of other businesses that will hire these refugees? If they were drafting these people, you might have an argument. But they are not, so you don't.

Jobs at "at-will". You can leave a job at any time. If the survivors decided that the job they chose or the area they chose to live in wasn't right for them, they can leave the job or move down the line.

You can't just "leave" the military.

Wow good argument. Thats why they have civilians there to make sure you understand the contract, they give you a breathalizer to ensure you are legally able to enter into a contract. And ask you a million frikkin times if you are sure of what you are doing.

And any job thay shells out over $100,000 to train you in the first 6 months alone, is going to ask for a contractual commitment. No matter who it is.

If so, why the need for "recruiting"... wouldn't they FLOCK to their local recruiter? C'mon man, this is not anti-military and you know it. Just give people some space to think and decide.

So your saying no other local businesses should recruit at the astrodome either? Someone hearing a pitch for the Army isnt automatically corrupted, and thier ears won't start burning. They are offering a good stable job, with pretty damn good benifits.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
This is a "developing" story. Apparently, it's been reported that the Army is holding military recruiting "fair" inside the Astrodome.

This is a direct, shameless exploitation of the victims of this disaster in their most vulnerable time of their lives.

Poor, poor taste.

while i am not disputing you have heard this, can you tell us your source?

hello? Darkhawk? did i miss where you answered my question?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Train
So is every Houston business that offers jobs to people in the Astrodome a "direct, shameless exploitation of the victims of this disaster in their most vulnerable time of their lives" ??

How is the Military, as an employer, held to any different standard than the thousands of other businesses that will hire these refugees? If they were drafting these people, you might have an argument. But they are not, so you don't.

Jobs at "at-will". You can leave a job at any time. If the survivors decided that the job they chose or the area they chose to live in wasn't right for them, they can leave the job or move down the line.

You can't just "leave" the military.

Wow good argument. Thats why they have civilians there to make sure you understand the contract, they give you a breathalizer to ensure you are legally able to enter into a contract. And ask you a million frikkin times if you are sure of what you are doing.

And any job thay shells out over $100,000 to train you in the first 6 months alone, is going to ask for a contractual commitment. No matter who it is.

If so, why the need for "recruiting"... wouldn't they FLOCK to their local recruiter? C'mon man, this is not anti-military and you know it. Just give people some space to think and decide.

So your saying no other local businesses should recruit at the astrodome either? Someone hearing a pitch for the Army isnt automatically corrupted, and thier ears won't start burning. They are offering a good stable job, with pretty damn good benifits.

And a chance to travel the world, meet exotic people and kill them. Then again these are desperate people who should be easy to coerce. What an opportunity...especially for the Armed Services who are seeing their recruiting numbers decline on a regualr basis since the American People are finally realizing that the "Crock in Iraq" is just that!

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
This is a "developing" story. Apparently, it's been reported that the Army is holding military recruiting "fair" inside the Astrodome.

This is a direct, shameless exploitation of the victims of this disaster in their most vulnerable time of their lives.

Poor, poor taste.

while i am not disputing you have heard this, can you tell us your source?

hello? Darkhawk? did i miss where you answered my question?

I heard it national radio news... looking for a link.

 

[rustynails]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
So, you're OK with having your 'Dregs of Society' being your choice of people to defend you in a crisis ?

If that?s how you see them captain jackass, that?s fine. But I?ve seen a lot of fVcknuts join the military, learn some very cool technical trades, and come out stellar citizens. Now go home donkey lover and contemplate that old adage about the USS Enterprise and its similarities to toilet paper.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Train
So is every Houston business that offers jobs to people in the Astrodome a "direct, shameless exploitation of the victims of this disaster in their most vulnerable time of their lives" ??

How is the Military, as an employer, held to any different standard than the thousands of other businesses that will hire these refugees? If they were drafting these people, you might have an argument. But they are not, so you don't.

Jobs at "at-will". You can leave a job at any time. If the survivors decided that the job they chose or the area they chose to live in wasn't right for them, they can leave the job or move down the line.

You can't just "leave" the military.

Wow good argument. Thats why they have civilians there to make sure you understand the contract, they give you a breathalizer to ensure you are legally able to enter into a contract. And ask you a million frikkin times if you are sure of what you are doing.

And any job thay shells out over $100,000 to train you in the first 6 months alone, is going to ask for a contractual commitment. No matter who it is.

If so, why the need for "recruiting"... wouldn't they FLOCK to their local recruiter? C'mon man, this is not anti-military and you know it. Just give people some space to think and decide.

So your saying no other local businesses should recruit at the astrodome either? Someone hearing a pitch for the Army isnt automatically corrupted, and thier ears won't start burning. They are offering a good stable job, with pretty damn good benifits.

And a chance to travel the world, meet exotic people and kill them. Then again these are desperate people who should be easy to coerce. What an opportunity...especially for the Armed Services who are seeing their recruiting numbers decline on a regualr basis since the American People are finally realizing that the "Crock in Iraq" is just that!

Ahh yes, the the military "coerces" people into joining! How could I forget. It goes against the liberal mantra that anyone could possibly make a decision like this on thier own. Please leave us alone in our Astrodome as we will protect our votes, err refugees by telling them to file lawsuits against teh eval republican govt.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Train

Ahh yes, the the military "coerces" people into joining! How could I forget. It goes against the liberal mantra that anyone could possibly make a decision like this on thier own. Please leave us alone in our Astrodome as we will protect our votes, err refugees by telling them to file lawsuits against teh eval republican govt.

Yeah right:roll: First of all I'm not a Liberal, secondly they are recruiting these people who are under extreme stress. Many of them probably would agree to anything to get away from this situation, the problem is they are bound to it instead of being able to back out after things have calmed down for them Now if you don't think that's coercion then fine but to me and many others (who are not liberals) it stinks of it and IMO is not such a good idea for those who sign up while under stress and the Armed Services themselves.

Look I agree it could be a good opportunity for some but at least wait until the water recedes before you try to take advantage of these people.

 

[Taggart]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

they are recruiting these people who are under extreme stress. Many of them probably would agree to anything to get away from this situation, the problem is they are bound to it instead of being able to back out after things have calmed down for them Now if you don't think that's coercion then fine but to me and many others (who are not liberals) it stinks of it and IMO is not such a good idea for those who sign up while under stress and the Armed Services themselves.

They don't have to walk over to the tent. And how did you become the expert on how stressed-out refugees respond to military recruiters all of a sudden?

This whole self-righteous tirade against the recruiting is a thinly-veiled anti-war protest if you ask me.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
First of all I'm not a Liberal,

I know your not, but that doesnt excuse the liberal mantra.

secondly they are recruiting these people who are under extreme stress.

oh noes! its not like they walk up to a recruiter and get put on a bus to bootcamp. The enlistment will takes months before you actually swear in, and for people away from homes (harder to get proof of ID, HS diploma/ged, etc) even longer, so the stress argument is moot.

Many of them probably would agree to anything to get away from this situation, the problem is they are bound to it instead of being able to back out after things have calmed down for them Now if you don't think that's coercion then fine but to me and many others (who are not liberals) it stinks of it and IMO is not such a good idea for those who sign up while under stress and the Armed Services themselves.

yada yada yada.

Look I agree it could be a good opportunity for some but at least wait until the water recedes before you try to take advantage of these people.

The water will recede long before these people make it to the point of swear in, so give it a rest.

 

[azazyel]

Originally posted by: Train
Ahh yes, the the military "coerces" people into joining! How could I forget. It goes against the liberal mantra that anyone could possibly make a decision like this on thier own. Please leave us alone in our Astrodome as we will protect our votes, err refugees by telling them to file lawsuits against teh eval republican govt.

Actually I would say they do coerce. Back in HS I was called every friggen day by different branches of the military. I finally went in and took the tests and stuff just to get them off my back. They asked if I did drugs, I said yes, they didn't care. Then he pulled out a pile of forms and started talking about them. Now I'm a pretty smart guy but I was getting confused but they kept showing me where to sign and it didn't help that there was another guy standing right behind me. I eventually just told them that I didn't want to join and took off. Surprisingly the calls from the army did stop.

(this was over 10 years ago too)