And here's the Nexus S: No HSPA+(4G) or SDcard slot, or LED notifications

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ponyo

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What's suprising to me is the use of bluetooth 2.1 instead of 3.0 used in galaxy s phones. Makes me think GPS problems on the galaxy s are hardware instead of software. I believe that one broadcom chip controlled both BT and gps.
 

Bateluer

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What's suprising to me is the use of bluetooth 2.1 instead of 3.0 used in galaxy s phones. Makes me think GPS problems on the galaxy s are hardware instead of software. I believe that one broadcom chip controlled both BT and gps.

Does that mean the Nexus S will have a working GPS?
 

ew915

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What's suprising to me is the use of bluetooth 2.1 instead of 3.0 used in galaxy s phones. Makes me think GPS problems on the galaxy s are hardware instead of software. I believe that one broadcom chip controlled both BT and gps.

The GPS in the Vibrant is working on the JK6 update without any problems.
 

sjwaste

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I wish T-Mobile had cheaper plans than their competitors, like it used to be. Paying $70/mo for 500 mins is more than Sprint is charging me on EPRP + $10 upcharge for the Evo. And EPRP really is available to anyone that wants it with very little effort.

Is there any way that I don't know about to get this into the $50/mo range? 500 mins is all I need for voice, but I do use a lot of text and data, so those should be unlimited to stay safe.
 

YoungGun21

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No HSPA+ and no SD card slot either, apparently?

I was excited until I heard this. If this is true, this phone is gone. I wasn't getting this phone anyway, but to not include a microSD card slot on todays phones seems absolutely ridiculous, regardless of internal storage size.
 

kaerflog

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I wish T-Mobile had cheaper plans than their competitors, like it used to be. Paying $70/mo for 500 mins is more than Sprint is charging me on EPRP + $10 upcharge for the Evo. And EPRP really is available to anyone that wants it with very little effort.

Is there any way that I don't know about to get this into the $50/mo range? 500 mins is all I need for voice, but I do use a lot of text and data, so those should be unlimited to stay safe.

Isn't EPRP for an EVO $69.99 ??
And you can't get corporate discount.
If you use that much data, you can get T-mobile with 500mins for $40+$10(unlimted texting)+$10 200mb.
Thats $60 and you can get $15% if you look hard enough.
Thats around $58 after tax for T-mobile VS $70+ tax for Sprint.
 

kaerflog

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No SD slot won't be a deal breaker for me.
I just don't like the shape of the phone.
Too rounded for me. I like more square-ish phones.
 

sjwaste

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Isn't EPRP for an EVO $69.99 ??
And you can't get corporate discount.
If you use that much data, you can get T-mobile with 500mins for $40+$10(unlimted texting)+$10 200mb.
Thats $60 and you can get $15% if you look hard enough.
Thats around $58 after tax for T-mobile VS $70+ tax for Sprint.

I totally forgot about corporate discounts. I need to look into that, it would definitely bring TMo down.
 
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Isn't HSPA+ only 21.1mbps? If the phone is still capable of HSDPA 7.2mbps, isn't that fast enough?

Who actually GETS 7.2mbps on T-Mobile now anyway or AT&T for that matter? I mean seriously, it's not like HSPA+ is 4G anyway. You're just getting "4G speeds." But even if you get the full 7.2mbps on HSDPA, you're beating out what 4G users are getting.
 

PhoKingGuy

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Isn't HSPA+ only 21.1mbps? If the phone is still capable of HSDPA 7.2mbps, isn't that fast enough?

Who actually GETS 7.2mbps on T-Mobile now anyway or AT&T for that matter? I mean seriously, it's not like HSPA+ is 4G anyway. You're just getting "4G speeds." But even if you get the full 7.2mbps on HSDPA, you're beating out what 4G users are getting.

I've gotten an average of 5ish mbps down on my G2, seen it go as high as 6.5 though.
 

Bateluer

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For about the 10 seconds it will take to hack the BLN mod (already on every Galaxy S variant) into the kernel.

Using the capacitive touch buttons is cool, but the phone not having true LED notifications is kinda lame. Its a very useful feature to have and adds next to nothing to the cost of the phone.

Other than the stock Gingerbread, the Nexus S seems to be nearly identical to the other Galaxy S variants, with all their weaknesses.
 

Deeko

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Isn't HSPA+ only 21.1mbps? If the phone is still capable of HSDPA 7.2mbps, isn't that fast enough?

Who actually GETS 7.2mbps on T-Mobile now anyway or AT&T for that matter? I mean seriously, it's not like HSPA+ is 4G anyway. You're just getting "4G speeds." But even if you get the full 7.2mbps on HSDPA, you're beating out what 4G users are getting.

I regularly get 4-6 on my HD2, which not only is not HSPA+ compatible, but is not running its native OS, either.

"Fast enough" is a silly term, no offense. No, what I'm getting right now is not fast enough. Why wouldn't I want faster if it were available? Quicker downloads/browsing, better streaming, etc...
 

Brian Stirling

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I don't think Google is counting on the new Nexus to be the next best phone -- that's not its purpose. What this phone is more than anything is a testbed for the near field tech and to get the other Android phone makers on-board with near field. If they sell a similar number as the original Nexus it won't be a huge success relative to, say, the iPhone, but if they get the other phone makers to include near field in all there new phones and begin to see the tech rolled out in gas stations and retail outlets then it will have served its purpose.


Brian
 

Glitchny

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Rumors are this may be headed to Verizon soon as well. Considering it is based on the Galaxy S I could see it happening
 

MrX8503

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I really don't like the shape of this phone either. What they should do is use the HD2 form factor but make the bezel even smaller. That would be a hot phone.
 

Bateluer

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I don't think Google is counting on the new Nexus to be the next best phone -- that's not its purpose. What this phone is more than anything is a testbed for the near field tech and to get the other Android phone makers on-board with near field. If they sell a similar number as the original Nexus it won't be a huge success relative to, say, the iPhone, but if they get the other phone makers to include near field in all there new phones and begin to see the tech rolled out in gas stations and retail outlets then it will have served its purpose.


Brian

NFC concerns me. In Gingerbread, there's no transmit ability for it yet, so your phone cannot act as a credit card. While I would love to be able to use my phone as a debit card, the thing that concerns me is security. A large number of apps on the Market have wide ranging security access, which few other to read before they install the app. I've seen simple Tic-Tac-Toe programs that get access to Network&GPS location, full network access, access to your text messages, contacts, and call logs. Obviously, that's overkill. And yet, people install the app anyway.

What happens when you have a phone with full NFC Tx/Rx ability and the user installs an app, or combination of apps, that allow access to their VISA/MasterCard/Discover/bank accounts? I've personally seen how careless people are today with their own security and privacy on many occasions. The combination of an ignorant user base and this technology will likely lead to a whole new wave of identity and financial theft.
 

Brian Stirling

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NFC concerns me. In Gingerbread, there's no transmit ability for it yet, so your phone cannot act as a credit card. While I would love to be able to use my phone as a debit card, the thing that concerns me is security. A large number of apps on the Market have wide ranging security access, which few other to read before they install the app. I've seen simple Tic-Tac-Toe programs that get access to Network&GPS location, full network access, access to your text messages, contacts, and call logs. Obviously, that's overkill. And yet, people install the app anyway.

What happens when you have a phone with full NFC Tx/Rx ability and the user installs an app, or combination of apps, that allow access to their VISA/MasterCard/Discover/bank accounts? I've personally seen how careless people are today with their own security and privacy on many occasions. The combination of an ignorant user base and this technology will likely lead to a whole new wave of identity and financial theft.

I agree, the security issue is my major concern with NFC as well. I don't think Gingerbreads lack of Tx is an issue yet but, obviously, it will need to be incorporated sooner or later.

There are a good many things NFC can be good for that go way beyond POS so I do hope it gets figured out. I'll tell you this though ... I'm glad my Evo will lock me in for another 18 months as it will no doubt take some time to iron the bugs out and resolve the security issues. I'll let someone else beta test it!


Brian
 
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Is this 2100 Euro/Asia compatible? I mean if I buy one in the US is it AWS only? My cousin from Asia is wondering. This is odd because usually I'm the one who buys phones in Asia or have her ship one to me, not the other way around:D
 

zerocool84

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They fucked this one up from the get go by going with samsung.....:|

Yup I will never buy a Samsung phone again and I don't even have a Galaxy S phone. I have their worst Android phone which is a million times worse than the Galaxy S.