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Anandtech's review of the iphone 6 is out!

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i didn't think this thread could get any more hilarious after phokus was afraid to come back after it backfired .... boy was i wrong!
 
Mopetar said:
He's probably correct. Several manufacturers were already cheating on other benchmarks, essentially artificially increasing the clock rate for when certain programs were detected.



Ideally they would provide a description for how the benchmark works, which should provide some indication of its usefulness. Also, other sites also have their own methods of testing similar performance metrics, so there's definitely a possibility to compare these results with other results to see how much correlation there is.

While the numbers themselves are important, it's also necessary to see if the ranking of devices remains consistent. There are all kinds of external factors that can influence the results, such as strength of the WiFi or cellular signal, the sites being visited, etc. that can impact the observed battery life in terms of actual length, but if the same phones tend to come out towards the top across multiple different benchmarks, we can assume that AT's benchmark is just as good as any other site.

If someone thinks AT has a bad, biased, or unrepresentative benchmark, why not actually compile some data that can actually be used to support or refute this claim rather than simply complaining about it. I would imagine that it the results are quite far off from what other reviewers are seeing that AT would try to devise a more accurate or representative bench mark.
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Cheating can be caught and called out, that's no excuse for not revealing exactly what your benchmark is testing IMHO. And if your test methodology is easily cheated, then it needs refining. At least with an open source method we the consumers would also be able to spot any foul play. An open source testing method means more accountability from both the OEMs as well as the reviewers, in addition to increased transparency for all.
 
Red Storm said:
Cheating can be caught and called out, that's no excuse for not revealing exactly what your benchmark is testing IMHO. And if your test methodology is easily cheated, then it needs refining. At least with an open source method we the consumers would also be able to spot any foul play. An open source testing method means more accountability from both the OEMs as well as the reviewers, in addition to increased transparency for all.
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http://bgr.com/2014/03/05/samsung-benchmark-cheating-ends/
 
One of my colleagues got a IP6 this week so I got to play around with it for a few minutes today.

One thing I agree with in regards to the AT review is that the build quality is really, really nice. It feels good without any sort of case on it and everything is laid out well.

In regards to the size of the thing, I don't find it much easier (if any) for me to reach the top right corner of the screen with my left thumb than it is with my Note 2. It still requires me to shift the phone in my hand. The one-handed mode helps with this, but it seems a little clunky to use. Everything otherwise is typical, responsive iPhone-like behavior. Personally, I like the IP6 a lot more than the various iP5/5S works phones we have here.
 
Red Storm said:
Cheating can be caught and called out, that's no excuse for not revealing exactly what your benchmark is testing IMHO. And if your test methodology is easily cheated, then it needs refining. At least with an open source method we the consumers would also be able to spot any foul play. An open source testing method means more accountability from both the OEMs as well as the reviewers, in addition to increased transparency for all.
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Completely agreed. I'm all about the test method. If your test method is robust enough to give a good battery benchmark, then cheating shouldn't matter.

If Samsung optimizes Chrome battery usage, isn't that a win for people considering a good number of people are reading websites throughout the day?
 
Mopetar said:
If someone thinks AT has a bad, biased, or unrepresentative benchmark, why not actually compile some data that can actually be used to support or refute this claim rather than simply complaining about it. I would imagine that it the results are quite far off from what other reviewers are seeing that AT would try to devise a more accurate or representative bench mark.
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I think the fact that they show the Nexus 5 getting 7 hours of screen on time on LTE is a bit concerning. Yeah, you can probably achieve that reading an eBook, but is that representative of typical use? I get 3 hours of use maybe at best on LTE.

But the point is without additional test information I can't know what's going on in their test. Nor do I have the time and the energy to go setup my own tests with a variety of phones.

I think for now they're probably the best benchmark we have out there (I also like to use GSM Arena's data), but honestly, it would be more useful if we had a test that EVERYONE can use... think 3D Mark.
 
openwheel said:
A lot of people are extremely partial to Apple. It's a cult. That's why.
Criticisms are generally not well taken by these people.
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TBH when Apple devices are released a wave of criticism articles hit the net including this site. Its not about taking criticism or anything like that. Its about pushing an agenda. You can see the bendgate thread, the iOS 8 issues thread, etc are all about reporting the issue and making fun of Apple.

How much investigation is actually done in those threads? How much dissemination of investigative information is done in those threads? Close to zero. I saw one post talking about 3 pt bend and 4 pt bend tests which I have good experience with having done a report comparing the two results for glass breakage, but that's it. This is Anandtech, not CNN comments, yet the arguments that happen here are very low level.

I think that threads that just in tend to push an agenda with a clear bias don't contribute to gadget discussion and instead poison this forum.
 
DLeRium said:
I think the fact that they show the Nexus 5 getting 7 hours of screen on time on LTE is a bit concerning. Yeah, you can probably achieve that reading an eBook, but is that representative of typical use? I get 3 hours of use maybe at best on LTE.
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How bright do you have the screen set? They (AT) set all of the devices to 200 nits, which isn't terribly bright, but generally good enough for indoor use. If you have the brightness set higher, it's going to drain the battery a lot faster considering the screen is the biggest consumer of power in these mobile devices.

I think for now they're probably the best benchmark we have out there (I also like to use GSM Arena's data), but honestly, it would be more useful if we had a test that EVERYONE can use... think 3D Mark.
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Write one and release it then.
 
TreVader said:
How do you know you'll (or your wife/whatever will) be satisfied with a Note 4, when it's not even out?
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Even a lot more so than Android fan boys, Samgsung fan boys are guilty of drinking Kool Aid just like the Apple people they constantly harp on. They'll call an iPhone guy who "upgrades" to a new iPhone that they consider mostly identical stupid. But when Samsung announces a new Galaxy that has a .1" bigger screen, slightly faster CPU and they changed the textured feel of the back. ZOMG 1st day must buy! Both Apple and Samsung fan boys are stupid.

NOTE: I don't consider most people who buy either to be a fan boy, just the ones who are blinded by their love for a silly ass cell phone. I own both and there's no struggle, yes I like iOS the best, but I bought a Windows Phone. And I'll buy the Blackberry Passport. Nice is nice I could care less what OS it runs and what company released it. *shrug*
 
What's almost worse than apple fanatics are the apple fanatics who cannot say "couldn't care less". It's NOT could care less. Sheesh, I think 3 people typed it in this thread.
 
QueBert said:
And I'll buy the Blackberry Passport.
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Why?

A lot of reviewers who like Blackberry devices have panned the Passport. It also has an extra .5" in width over something like the Note 4 or the iPhone 6+ so it would be even more difficult to use.
 
Anubis said:
my job is basically to test and break things, components to full devices. In the past year we have broken something close to 1000 phones (many different ones) among other things. all of them perfectly functional before we get to them. cant tell you specifics.
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so which phones performed the best ?
 
QueBert said:
Even a lot more so than Android fan boys, Samgsung fan boys are guilty of drinking Kool Aid just like the Apple people they constantly harp on. They'll call an iPhone guy who "upgrades" to a new iPhone that they consider mostly identical stupid. But when Samsung announces a new Galaxy that has a .1" bigger screen, slightly faster CPU and they changed the textured feel of the back. ZOMG 1st day must buy! Both Apple and Samsung fan boys are stupid.

NOTE: I don't consider most people who buy either to be a fan boy, just the ones who are blinded by their love for a silly ass cell phone. I own both and there's no struggle, yes I like iOS the best, but I bought a Windows Phone. And I'll buy the Blackberry Passport. Nice is nice I could care less what OS it runs and what company released it. *shrug*
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Eh are there really Samsung fanboys on this forum? I see a lot of negative comments from Android users about their build quality and Touchwiz, though recent praise for the newest gen of AMOLED screens.

I will say I've seen some stupid Samsung love on other sites/forums but I never felt it here.
The Galaxy S phones tend to be treated as the mainstream, "if you're OK with it choice", but not one that people love. That probably falls to the HTC One and the Note series to an extent.

I think the Note series gets some more deserved love since for each Android generation, it tended to be arguably the best phone of its gen. The Note 2 in a era of the S3 was a pretty amazing phone. Same with the Note 3 in the year of the S4.
 
Mopetar said:
Why?

A lot of reviewers who like Blackberry devices have panned the Passport. It also has an extra .5" in width over something like the Note 4 or the iPhone 6+ so it would be even more difficult to use.
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I prefer physical keyboards, and i think the white one is the best looking phone in a long time
 
Just about every platform has its fanpeople! I've seen die-hard Windows Phone users, and there are still BlackBerry loyalists. The notion that Apple is somehow unique is disingenuous. It just started much earlier, and the nature of its business model (which relies on tight hardware/software integration) means you tend to be all-in where that's not as important elsewhere.

There's also a tremendous irony to the claims that Apple users are somehow uniquely slavish... and yet a big chunk of the posters in Apple-related forum threads (not just on AT, either) are Android fans attacking a rival platform with all their might. Considerably more than Apple fans wandering into Android-related threads. To me, that's classic tech fanatic behaviour. They literally cannot brook the thought that there's another competitive platform... and heaven forfend if it actually does something better than what they're using!
 
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