anandtecher's i desperately need your collective help!!

[badluck]

sfgate is san francisco's premier center of dumbass liberalism.... they claim that the most people agree with the court decision against the pledge of allegiance- so i need you guys to go to their site and select option(2) from their poll and prove them wrong.

I just voted Yes, a*shole....


Tradition? You wanna talk about tradition? Slavery is a tradition in our country as well, do you think we should have kept that as well? Tradition doesn't mean crap if you are stepping on my rights.....

 

[Entity]

I suppose you'd like to forge these results as well?

 

[ed21x]

Originally posted by: badluck

sfgate is san francisco's premier center of dumbass liberalism.... they claim that the most people agree with the court decision against the pledge of allegiance- so i need you guys to go to their site and select option(2) from their poll and prove them wrong.

I just voted Yes, a*shole....


Tradition? You wanna talk about tradition? Slavery is a tradition in our country as well, do you think we should have kept that as well? Tradition doesn't mean crap if you are stepping on my rights.....

oh grow up and quit being so bitter about everything, screaming, grumbling, etc... even your username reflects how pessimistic you are. I doubt as a kid, saying the pledge really had that much of a psychological impact on you. and besides, no one's stepping on your rights if you've never been forced to do anything.

 

[ed21x]

Originally posted by: Entity
I suppose you'd like to forge these results as well?

nothing is getting forged here.... but i'll admit, i made a wrong assumption in thinking that everyone else thought the ruling was absurd by common sense. remarkably, i guess it takes living at berkeley to fully realize that extreme liberalism can yeild some pretty nasty results:

example:

DeCal Class at Berkeley called "male sexuality" where the class got together and had a group orgy

femsex: assignment from two weeks ago: find your g*spot and write a one page paper on your experience

UGIS 20ac: "today, we will watch a circle-jerk video and see why we should all tolerate it as an important aspect of the gay/lexbian community"

eliminate the SAT's! they are racist cuz minorities score lower on them! (?) (caucasians= minority on campus)

there's more...

 

[Ramsnake]

another yes....

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
Sorry, but I can pledge allegiance just fine without saying "under god." Christian indoctrination does not belong in the classroom, it belongs in churches and the homes of Christians.

Don't you respect the separation of Church and State as the founding fathers intended? Or do you want to cram your personal beliefs down everyone's throat?

WHERE in the constitutiopn does it call for seperation of church and state. Have you read the constitution or are you just reciting your elementry school history class?

 

[Yossarian]

When you were reading the Constitution you should have turned the page and read the Bill of Rights.

 

[bsobel]

WHERE in the constitutiopn does it call for seperation of church and state. Have you read the constitution or are you just reciting your elementry school history class?

Wow, are you really that much of a fricking moron?

Article 1: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I can't believe that anyone who lives in the US actually asked that question.

Bill

 

[StattlichPassat]

What a disgustingly vile website, but you've got my vote for #2.

 

[ggavinmoss]

I won't bother looking at the site.

And you really don't get the spirit behind polls, do you?

-geoff

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: bsobel

WHERE in the constitutiopn does it call for seperation of church and state. Have you read the constitution or are you just reciting your elementry school history class?

Wow, are you really that much of a fricking moron?

Article 1: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

I can't believe that anyone who lives in the US actually asked that question.

Bill

I don't see the word seperate there!


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

Congress cannot not make ANY LAW REPSECTING AN ESTABLISHMENT OF RELGION simply stated there will be no government church.

OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF - meaning there will be no law regarding how you choose to worship.

If you read a little farther-

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The first admendment prohibits CONGRESS not the states or the people.
And it does not say that we cannot support religion just that we can't have a NATIONAL RELIGION.

READ THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT not just the highlights

 

[bsobel]

The first admendment prohibits CONGRESS not the states or the people.
And it does not say that we cannot support religion just that we can't have a NATIONAL RELIGION.
READ THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT not just the highlights

Your right, some states had state churches thru the 19th century. But it was congress which passed the law adding 'under God' to the pledge, not the states. So your point is what?

Bill

 

[badluck]

oh grow up and quit being so bitter about everything, screaming, grumbling, etc... even your username reflects how pessimistic you are. I doubt as a kid, saying the pledge really had that much of a psychological impact on you. and besides, no one's stepping on your rights if you've never been forced to do anything.

I think it's funny how you totally dodged my question that I had for you. YOu are such a jerkoff that you try to judge me when you do not even know me. My username is badluck because I never get rebates, lamer. Look at my signature.

Yes, as a kid, saying the pledge had a big psychological impact on me. It taught me that I would be considered an outcast if I refused to go along with what everybody else did. People who believe in God, tend to use these scare tactics to keep recruits. Don't try to tell me that this is not true. Nearly everytime someone talks about not believing in God, the defender states, "you are going to hell if you do not believe in God." An obvious scare tactic. As if that means anything to someone who doesn't believe in God. This has been the case throughout history and is even documented in your bible. Ask yourself, where did you learn to believe in God? Did you figure this out on your own? Or, were you forced into religion? I bet your mind was kidnapped when you were young, and you have been spitting out the same sh*t ever since.....That's a damn shame.

No, we were not forced into saying The Pledge, however, schools have no right to put kids in this position. I wouldn't support the schools if they wanted to give praise to Allah, or any other make believe character they dream up.

 

[tm37]

Originally posted by: bsobel

The first admendment prohibits CONGRESS not the states or the people.
And it does not say that we cannot support religion just that we can't have a NATIONAL RELIGION.
READ THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT not just the highlights

Your right, some states had state churches thru the 19th century. But it was congress which passed the law adding 'under God' to the pledge, not the states. So your point is what?

Bill

Well it wasn't a law but a resolution it had ZERO LEGAL binding.

Thanks for playing though.

 

[bsobel]

Well it wasn't a law but a resolution it had ZERO LEGAL binding. Thanks for playing though..

You continue to be wrong. It was an act of congress, and it was signed into law by President Eisenhower who said (at the signing) ""From this day forward, the millions of our school children will daily proclaim in every city and town, every village and rural schoolhouse, the dedication of our Nation and our people to the Almighty."

Bill

 

[ed21x]

Originally posted by: badluck

oh grow up and quit being so bitter about everything, screaming, grumbling, etc... even your username reflects how pessimistic you are. I doubt as a kid, saying the pledge really had that much of a psychological impact on you. and besides, no one's stepping on your rights if you've never been forced to do anything.

I think it's funny how you totally dodged my question that I had for you. YOu are such a jerkoff that you try to judge me when you do not even know me. My username is badluck because I never get rebates, lamer. Look at my signature.

Yes, as a kid, saying the pledge had a big psychological impact on me. It taught me that I would be considered an outcast if I refused to go along with what everybody else did. People who believe in God, tend to use these scare tactics to keep recruits. Don't try to tell me that this is not true. Nearly everytime someone talks about not believing in God, the defender states, "you are going to hell if you do not believe in God." An obvious scare tactic. As if that means anything to someone who doesn't believe in God. This has been the case throughout history and is even documented in your bible. Ask yourself, where did you learn to believe in God? Did you figure this out on your own? Or, were you forced into religion? I bet your mind was kidnapped when you were young, and you have been spitting out the same sh*t ever since.....That's a damn shame.

No, we were not forced into saying The Pledge, however, schools have no right to put kids in this position. I wouldn't support the schools if they wanted to give praise to Allah, or any other make believe character they dream up.

oh, sorry, i thought all your 'questions' were rhetorical. but anyways, QUIT INSULTING PEOPLE!! man, can't the forum grow up for a change where people could stop resorting to the childish act of name calling? (ie. ass*holes and jer*koffs)

but anyways, it's nice that you've delved deeper into your argument, and though i don't agree with it, i do understand where you're comming from. arguing more from what i believe is a moot point because we're both obviously too uncompromising to force one another into submission =P

have a nice day,

 

[tm37]

Kights of columbus

At its annual meeting the following year, on August 20, 1953, the Supreme Council of the Knights of Columbus repeated its resolution to make this amendment to the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag general and to send copies of this resolve to the President, Vice President, Speaker of the House, and to each member of both House of Congress. From this latter action, many favorable replies were received, and a total of seventeen resolutions were introduced in the House of Representatives to so amend the Pledge of Allegiance as set forth in the Public Law relating to the use of the flag. The resoution introduced by Congressman Louis C. Rabaut of Michigan was adapted by both House of Congress, and it was signed by President Eisenhower on Flag Day, June 14, 1954, thereby making official the amendment conceived, sponsored, and put into practice by the Knights of Columbus more than three years before.

 

[murphy55d]

Originally posted by: Muadib

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
And another 'Yes' vote