AnandtechAMD Carrizo ExcavatorReview

[ShintaiDK]

Btw, we will see the same story with upcoming Bristol Ridge (mobile parts) too?

Bristol Ridge is renamed Carrizo and still use FP4 for mobile. So most likely. Same design, no change.

 

[Abwx]

Can you see why a DIMM slot wouldnt work with Carrizo-L if it was wired to the 2nd channel of big Carrizo? AMD should have known this would happen.

The two RAM sticks are connected separetely on Kabini so dual ranked RAM modules can be used, if a Carrizo is inserted instead the two dimms will be connected to a dual channel IMC, as such there s no single channel Carrizo that is possiby using two dimm slots...

 

[Dresdenboy]

Yeah, though I would imagine that would be more high level along the lines of "One A12, an A10, an FX, one with a dGPU", etc. While it would make for a good story, I can't imagine Ian/AT requested all single channel laptops.

This is unlikely. But even asking for standard configs would deliver SC only. That could be the point as the whole story revolves around the OEMs and what they offer. On the feedback loop page the described stages create the picture of OEMs explicitly not connecting some DIMM slot physically to the chip since Carrizo-L won't use it anyway. But this is not the case for the HPs.

 

[csbin]

Bristol Ridge is renamed Carrizo and still use FP4 for mobile. So most likely. Same design, no change.

Carrizo GPU is GCN1.1
Bristol Ridge is GCN1.2

 

[ElFenix]

Only Carrizo? Even Intel since Broadwell went in the retarded way of the OEMs!

The HP Probook I have, which must be fast and reliable, has a freaking Intel Core i5 5200U processor! Is so slow that even when I am doing some work at home (tracing some codes), it takes up to 1.5X more time compared to my sis laptop which have a Core i3 380M!

OEMs are ruining their own products selling crap tier processors on Professional Products! Really HP? Really Lenovo? That is supposed to enter with the H tier products and the U tier is only for slim products.

part of the problem is that people are complete wimps and think a 5lb laptop weighs too darn much. so many forum comments about how heavy 5 lbs is. back in my day i had a 7 lb laptop and that was before i put the second battery in it (remember swappable bays? those were awesome. gone.) and in the same bag i usually had 2 textbooks and some notepads. OMG SO HEAVY! maybe all the stick figure students/hipsters need to eat a cheeseburger or something. 5'10" 125 lb males aren't supposed to exist! that's skinnier than a competitive marathon runner!


/yelling at clouds

 

[ShintaiDK]

Carrizo GPU is GCN1.1
Bristol Ridge is GCN1.2

No. Carrizo is GCN 1.2 and Bristol Ridge is the exact same chip.

 

[mrmt]

Even the most ardent AMD supporter will be frustrated by their lack of spine and giving in to the OEMs stupid requests. Crippling Carrizo's powerful GPU with single channel memory is a disgusting thing to do. These OEMs don't give a damn about the user experience or perception of AMD's products. These OEMs are only bothered about their margins. They will do anything to improve that at the cost of destroying a product. Unless you are Intel who pays them a lot for marketing programs they are not going to put a lot of effort into great designs with a lot of configurability and good default configurations.

I don't think you can realistically expect the AMD talk to wag the OEM dog. AMD is much smaller than OEMs and only supplies an ever irrelevant share of processors for these companies. They don't have any leverage at all over OEMs.

And if AMD were to launch their own platform, it would be a fiasco worse than Nvidia Shield. AMD lacks the contacts on the retail channels that would allow them to sell these notebooks, plus they would also have to sell and support them for a significant part of their useful life. it's not a simple venture and not a cheap one for sure.

It seems that you are forgetting that AMD NEEDS to sell these chips regardless of where they end. AMD is tied up by the WSA and they have't been reaching their purchase commitment for a long time. So if AMD has to sell these chips for peanuts, so be it, it's better than having to pay the cost in full to Globalfoundries.

 

[myocardia]

5'10" 125 lb males aren't supposed to exist! that's skinnier than a competitive marathon runner!

lmao, that's actually considerably skinnier per inch of height than a competitive female gymnast.

I for one am hoping that AMD is able to burrow their way out of the hole that their last three CEOs have put them into. Too bad that their BoD doesn't have to be replaced with every change of CEO!

 

[ElFenix]

shouldn't we have 1 carrizo thread like we have 1 skylake thread?

 

[mrmt]

If AMD keep letting OEMs relegate them to garbage like these laptops, they will never improve their brand.

Actually I think this is the first honest mobile AMD review in a long time. AMD is giving on this review exactly the performance what we will get if we go to the market and shop an AMD notebook, and even better, on actual products.

This is a real improvement over the Beema dream notebook review or the MIA Mullins tablets.

 

[FlanK3r]

No. Carrizo is GCN 1.2 and Bristol Ridge is the exact same chip.

There are two Carrizo chips. One is similar to notebook chips and it will be fixed for FM2+ Second is Carrizo "plus" with some changes in L2 cahce and some enxt things and will be for AM4 (propably only APUs).

Example of first is Athlon 845 (on the way to me now ,-) )

 

[ShintaiDK]

There are two Carrizo chips. One is similar to notebook chips and it will be fixed for FM2+ Second is Carrizo "plus" with some changes in L2 cahce and some enxt things and will be for AM4 (propably only APUs).

Example of first is Athlon 845 (on the way to me now ,-) )

There are no changes. Even Stilt said so as well.

If you think there is any changes, put down the evidence.

 

[FlanK3r]

I heard this information, nothing more...But first will be Athlon 845 in my hands.

 

[MrTeal]

part of the problem is that people are complete wimps and think a 5lb laptop weighs too darn much. so many forum comments about how heavy 5 lbs is. back in my day i had a 7 lb laptop and that was before i put the second battery in it (remember swappable bays? those were awesome. gone.) and in the same bag i usually had 2 textbooks and some notepads. OMG SO HEAVY! maybe all the stick figure students/hipsters need to eat a cheeseburger or something. 5'10" 125 lb males aren't supposed to exist! that's skinnier than a competitive marathon runner!


/yelling at clouds

The problem with heavy laptops (at least IMO) isn't the weight itself, it's the difference in how they're used. If you have a laptop for work or school and it goes between desk, bag, table to desk whether it weighs 3 or 6 lbs doesn't matter much. If the laptop is something you use as your main computing device and you want to lounge with it on the couch, those extra lbs add up quick. My Dell E6540 weighs over 6.5lbs with the 9 cell battery, and I have no trouble carrying it and moving it in and out of a bag. Sitting on the couch and holding it out at 90 degree with my arm at full extension to pass it to someone sitting on the loveseat isn't going to make me drop it, but after a second or two you sure notice the difference between that and our 2.6lbs UX305FA.

And yeah, that kind of height/weight is a little disconcerting. This is Christian Bale at 220lbs and 120lbs.

Sorry.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I heard this information, nothing more...But first will be Athlon 845 in my hands.

So no, it wont happen.

 

[The Stilt]

There are no changes. Even Stilt said so as well.

If you think there is any changes, put down the evidence.

Bristol Ridges for AM4 might actually have some changes in them. I´m not sure even AMD knows what will they do next.

Some rumours say Bristol Ridge has addressed the lack of 10-bit HEVC too

 

[ShintaiDK]

If they fixed HEVC 10bit, why wouldn't they use it for FP4? Makes no sense. Not to mention the 2 chip production. So any change in that area is unlikely to say it mildly. Either both gets it or none gets it.

 

[The Stilt]

If they fixed HEVC 10bit, why wouldn't they use it for FP4? Makes no sense. Not to mention the 2 chip production. So any change in that area is unlikely to say it mildly. Either both gets it or none gets it.

I know. AMD also made Stoney Ridge, which makes no sense either.

 

[rainy]

Even Stilt said so as well.

Care to explain what you mean using this particular word?
Because if you're suggesting that he's biased, it's pretty much incredible.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Care to explain what you mean using this particular word?
Because if you're suggesting that he's biased, it's pretty much incredible.

I think the only one suggesting something is you

 

[ShintaiDK]

I know. AMD also made Stoney Ridge, which makes no sense either.

That is true.

But I would say with these two on FP4 and AM4. It have to be the same. And if anyone needed HEVC 10bit it would funny enough be the FP4 instead of the AM4.

 

[mrmt]

I know. AMD also made Stoney Ridge, which makes no sense either.

I wonder who was building AMD roadmaps 3-4 years ago.

 

[railven]

The seal of quality proposal is plenty realistic. The NES single-handedly resurrected the console market in the US and there is no evidence that suggests that the seal was not helpful for Nintendo's goal of reassuring the market.

Both of the video game crashes were highly related to a glut of low-quality games. There were also too many consoles, which didn't help things, but low-grade games were a problem. Nintendo's seal and its evaluation program was designed to control what games were available. This was a conflict of interest to some degree, of course, since Nintendo itself sold games. But, in the case of AMD there is no conflict since it does not make and sell motherboards.

When a consumer buys a processor and pairs it with a board that has deceptively low-grade power delivery that generally hurts the processor maker more than it hurts the motherboard maker.

A little off topic, but you do realize a lot of games were published for NES without the Seal of Quality? In fact, some of the best NES games were by Tengen, whom circumvented the NES chip allowing them to not have to get NES approval.

Other companies created dummy studios to bypass the strict 5 game per year rule. If anything, the Seal was restrictive and if some of these companies didn't go on their own to circumvent it, we might not have had some of those NES favorites.

 

[dark zero]

A little off topic, but you do realize a lot of games were published for NES without the Seal of Quality? In fact, some of the best NES games were by Tengen, whom circumvented the NES chip allowing them to not have to get NES approval.

Other companies created dummy studios to bypass the strict 5 game per year rule. If anything, the Seal was restrictive and if some of these companies didn't go on their own to circumvent it, we might not have had some of those NES favorites.

Remember something... Few years later, SEGA appeared and gave great competition making the market dinamic.

Returning to the topic. Carrizo was a great concept but awfully applied.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I heard this information, nothing more...But first will be Athlon 845 in my hands.

You need to post more, you always have the best stuff. Didn't you have a 5.5GHz FX, something around that clock?

Remember something... Few years later, SEGA appeared and gave great competition making the market dinamic.

Returning to the topic. Carrizo was a great concept but awfully applied.

Shoulda been eight Excavator cores with 8MB of L3 in AM3+. That would have been a better use in my opinion.