AnandtechAMD Carrizo ExcavatorReview

[csbin]

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10000/who-controls-user-experience-amd-carrizo-thoroughly-tested-x4


Kaveri Dual Channel

Carrizo Single Channel

 

[sm625]

This one is my favorite

What it shows is that basically any garden variety non-atom part will beat a full 512SP AMD. Even the Core m3 in a surface pro 4 should beat it, if only just barely. Sad days indeed for AMD. All because they wanted a shared platform with Carrizo-L, which shouldnt even exist.

 

[ShintaiDK]

 

[csbin]

This one is my favorite

What it shows is that basically any garden variety non-atom part will beat a full 512SP AMD. Even the Core m3 in a surface pro 4 should beat it, if only just barely. Sad days indeed for AMD. All because they wanted a shared platform with Carrizo-L, which shouldnt even exist.

Kaveri Dual Channel

Carrizo Single Channel

Built on UE3 and DX9, the game relies heavily on single threaded performance and at this level of detail, memory bandwidth. The Kaveri takes the crown, showing that at this level adding another stick of memory (and making sure you have the right configuration) is more important than a more advanced (or perhaps expensive) APU.
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[Sweepr]

Disaster. Nowhere close to the improvement they promised.

 

[csbin]

Carrizo 28nm
broadwell 14nm

broadwell Dual Channel

Carrizo Single Channel

D:

 

[dark zero]

This one is my favorite

What it shows is that basically any garden variety non-atom part will beat a full 512SP AMD. Even the Core m3 in a surface pro 4 should beat it, if only just barely. Sad days indeed for AMD. All because they wanted a shared platform with Carrizo-L, which shouldnt even exist.

Did you check the memory?
Con Intel was con Dual Channel... AMD was on Single Channel. And we know that AMD gets a boost on Dual Channel. Also Rocket League is very CPU demanding until mid resolution and quality. Once you get on high on the other hand...

Seriously? Against a PC (even as mini PC)? Let's compare with a laptop then!
The difference is notable.

 

[Rngwn]

Dammit, why there is no IGP bench over the 35w parts? And why the 35w Carrizo not given a dual-channel ram?

 

[R0H1T]

This one is my favorite

What it shows is that basically any garden variety non-atom part will beat a full 512SP AMD. Even the Core m3 in a surface pro 4 should beat it, if only just barely. Sad days indeed for AMD. All because they wanted a shared platform with Carrizo-L, which shouldnt even exist.

I guess that even after you take the blinders off, you won't be able to see what's written after the $ sign & of course what csbin said :thumbsup:

The FUD will continue so long as there are vested & invested interests here (& elsewhere) btw Intel's screwing their customers, who bought the non-K BCLK fad, was also the latter's fault right

 

[csbin]

Dammit, why there is no IGP bench over the 35w parts? And why the 35w Carrizo not given a dual-channel ram?

YES

not dual-channel

 

[sm625]

It's not FUD. I know these systems are single channel. I know its not fair. But this is basically all there is out there. If AMD gives OEMs the option to cripple their systems with single channel RAM, then that is what they will do. Same goes for cooling solutions that dont allow for max turbo, 5400 rpm hard drives, 768p panels, and even cat cores. They will pinch it all every way they can.

That is why I've been arguing that aMD should build ALL their SoCs with HBM and even stick flash on there too. And if they can, make their display controllers require a minimum 1080p panel in order to function. I dont know how feasiable that is, but they need to do this to recover their brand image and actually get some real design wins.

 

[dark zero]

Seeing how OEMs are retarded, eventually AMD will rethink to enter themselves to the market... There won't be any difference.

 

[Rngwn]

I just found out that the Intel version of lenovo Y700 are limited to single-channel too. Not that it matters much in real life either, since both Intel and AMD comes with a dGPU.

 

[AtenRa]

OK let me say here that all this crap is AMD FAULT and im dead serious this time.

DONT let the OEM destroy you, but that is exactly what the OEMs did to Carrizo. They completely destroyed a very nice product with awfully bad designed Laptops.

Im asking for a $400-500 35W TDP dual channel 2133MHz iGPU only 1600x900 14" Carrizo laptop that could make AMD and its product rise above the competition. But nooooo, OEMs know best. They create those abominations that nobody here and i mean nobody here even a die hard AMD fan boy would ever want to buy.

If AMD doesnt change its priorities and understand that if the public doesnt want to buy your products, OEMs would only make you look worse if you dont put guidelines.

keep up the good work guys, im hopping that you will not destroy ZEN as you did to Carrizo.

 

[Headfoot]

That is why I've been arguing that aMD should build ALL their SoCs with HBM and even stick flash on there too. And if they can, make their display controllers require a minimum 1080p panel in order to function. I dont know how feasiable that is, but they need to do this to recover their brand image and actually get some real design wins.

Couldn't agree more. They need to abandon ship on the el cheapo turds for a while. Put everything on the interposer/SoC die, allow the cost savings by eating up every other chip they'd need to put on there and get the tiny PCB like in the latest MacBook allowing for maximum battery size. Use HBM. I'm sure this is coming from AMD eventually but they need this yesterday.

 

[NTMBK]

So many garbage Carrizo laptops The only worthwhile selling point is the graphics, and then they strangle it with a tiny TDP and single channel RAM. Junk, the lot of them.

 

[AtenRa]

Im sure that even if AMD had ZEN with HBM TODAY, OEMs would screw the product again if AMD wouldnt make any guidelines.

 

[alexruiz]

I posted this on the article comments section, but I'll post it again here:

Ian,
What specific model/version of the HP Elitebook 745 G3 did you test?
You wrote the screen specs as QHD (IPS 2560 x 1440) and you indicated that the PC came in at just under $700. Did the $700 version include the 2560 x 1440 screen?

Thanks

 

[alexruiz]

OK let me say here that all this crap is AMD FAULT and im dead serious this time.

DONT let the OEM destroy you, but that is exactly what the OEMs did to Carrizo. They completely destroyed a very nice product with awfully bad designed Laptops.

Im asking for a $400-500 35W TDP dual channel 2133MHz iGPU only 1600x900 14" Carrizo laptop that could make AMD and its product rise above the competition. But nooooo, OEMs know best. They create those abominations that nobody here and i mean nobody here even a die hard AMD fan boy would ever want to buy.

If AMD doesnt change its priorities and understand that if the public doesnt want to buy your products, OEMs would only make you look worse if you dont put guidelines.

keep up the good work guys, im hopping that you will not destroy ZEN as you did to Carrizo.

Agree fully.

I have been in the market for a replacement for my old and trusty HP Probook 6475b for almost 18 months. The Elitebook 725/745 G2/G3 are the closer ones, but are not cheap, and still cannot go past some of the design constraints.
I am also looking for a second laptop for the wife, and the version you specified (Carrizo in a 14in chassis, 1600 x 900, dual channel ddr3-2133) would be perfect... if it existed

 

[NTMBK]

Got to agree with the conclusion:

I have put a challenge to AMD on this, to prove to users that Carrizo is as good as the marketing materials would have you believe. AMD needs to work with an OEM to build a premium $700 and $1500-$2500 designs – not some business model with some high specifications, but a true and honest representation of what can be done in a stylish way with none of the bloat. Have a set of guidelines that can be awarded to devices that are ‘Premium Mobile’ or ‘AMD Mobile Gaming Ready’ and meet specific internal standards (SSD, dual channel memory, 8 hours+ light battery, under 2kg, Full HD IPS panel) so users and businesses can be directed to the better experience. Again, this sounds like what Intel was doing with its ultrabook line, but whether you gather that a success or failure, it was at least pointing the arrows to obvious positive points.

If AMD keep letting OEMs relegate them to garbage like these laptops, they will never improve their brand.

 

[deasd]

Single channel with 16GB memory????? You kidding me???

 

[Arachnotronic]

Got to agree with the conclusion:



If AMD keep letting OEMs relegate them to garbage like these laptops, they will never improve their brand.

It's interesting that the AnandTech writers think that AMD has anywhere close to the same resources to work with OEMs that Intel does or that the OEMs are interested in investing the time to build show-case AMD products around 2nd class silicon

The OEMs put these systems out mainly to try to keep Intel honest ("hey, we offer systems with your competitor's chips, too"), but it's quite plain to everybody involved that AMD's silicon/platforms are inferior. So AMD gets stuck into systems that require minimal R&D and have the absolute cheapest components possible.

 

[R0H1T]

Im sure that even if AMD had ZEN with HBM TODAY, OEMs would screw the product again if AMD wouldnt make any guidelines.

AMD is in no position to dictate terms to anyone, there's also this possibility that the other chipmaker wouldn't be too thrilled with a better design & would probably cut their incentives to OEM's :sneaky:

To anyone who's averse to this ludicrous idea, I say Intel's glorious record speaks for itself & will continue unabated in the future, z87-z170 lockdown is testament to that.

 

[AtenRa]

So many garbage Carrizo laptops The only worthwhile selling point is the graphics, and then they strangle it with a tiny TDP and single channel RAM. Junk, the lot of them.

Yea, i mean your strength is your iGPU and instead of prioritizing the design of your product to focus on that area, so that you will differentiate from the competition. You then let OEMs artificially screw your products strength making it even worse than your competitor.

 

[Rngwn]

Single channel with 16GB memory????? You kidding me???

Yes, DDR4 has up to 16GB per stick. (Even DDR3 also has 16GB stick, but those parts are going to be rare to find)