[anandtech] NVIDIA SIGGRAPH 2018 Keynote -RTX GPUs

[GodisanAtheist]

Gotta admit, NV really shook up this launch in a big way. I was prepared to be totally bored with a standard launch with requisit performance increases, but the new Quatro line is something we've never seen before.

NV has not shied away from selling *big* chips to the consumer for the sake of establishing their software ecosystem (Think CUDA and the GTX 280, AMD could have really had them on the ropes if they upscaled their HD4800 but never did). I think we're going to get the same thing here, where NV will be selling these chips at fairly "reasonable" prices so that their hardware solution builds a favorable software ecosystem for them.

However, the above is based on NV always using the consumer chips for the Quatro cards, but if NV has decided to either build a whole new chip line for Quatro or pull their Quatro branding up to their compute chip line, then the 2080 may still shock us by being a totally different RT/TN free core with the standard gaming GPCs with some of the refinements from Turing carried over.

I'd be fine with either, as none of the hardware included on the first gen of something is really ever good enough to run the software at an acceptable speed, but if NV doesn't really move the pricing needle and the performance uplift from Pascal is still there, then really who cares if there are a bunch of RT/TN cores along for the ride...

 

[Midwayman]

I'm excited to see HW ray tracing. While it's a long way away from consumer cards, it might means its coming a few generations down the line. That should mean massive increases in scene complexity. I've seen some research on diffuse ray casting to really cut down on rays needed. Maybe it'll all finally come together.

 

[PeterScott]

I'm excited to see HW ray tracing. While it's a long way away from consumer cards, it might means its coming a few generations down the line. That should mean massive increases in scene complexity. I've seen some research on diffuse ray casting to really cut down on rays needed. Maybe it'll all finally come together.

Do you mean for low-mid range consumer cards?

Because 5 days is not a long way away for consumer cards.

RTX 2080 is getting revealed August 20.

Unlike most of the rumors, this was indicated in a NVidia video, on the NVidia GeForce official youtube channel.

 

[tamz_msc]

Meanwhile the rumor mill is spinning and churning up info pointing to the direction of my earlier speculation in this thread.

 

[Midwayman]

Do you mean for low-mid range consumer cards?

Because 5 days is not a long way away for consumer cards.

RTX 2080 is getting revealed August 20.

Unlike most of the rumors, this was indicated in a NVidia video, on the NVidia GeForce official youtube channel.

Well I think that's still a big if, but I meant actually being used and producing usable frame-rates, not just a tech demo. Reminds me back when I got my Matrox Millinium. Technically it was a 3d accelerated card. Technically.

 

[PeterScott]

Well I think that's still a big if, but I meant actually being used and producing usable frame-rates, not just a tech demo. Reminds me back when I got my Matrox Millinium. Technically it was a 3d accelerated card. Technically.

I am betting NVidia will have some game makers releasing a game with RT support very soon. But it will be many years until this is pervasive.

For me it would be more interesting if there were no blockages on non gaming using the RT cores and Tensor cores. I'd like to see what developers could come up with for using those cores other than just Ray Tracing in games. But I bet NVidia will block Tensor Core usage outside of Ray Tracing to keep them from being used for Deep Learning applications.

For me, if the extra HW is only usable for ray tracing in games, I just as soon not have them, and have the extra die space devoted to more CUDA units that benefit all games, not just Ray Tracing effects.

 

[DeathReborn]

I am kinda torn but I could see Tensor/RT hardware cut down but not removed entirely, maybe dropping to 128 Tensor Cores just to enable some compatibility with the Quadro, enabling Developers to begin the move to RT in games in preparation for a big push in the next gen or 2. Plus, if they are there even in a smaller number you can guarantee users will find a use for them, inside a game or not.

 

[EXCellR8]

So... back when Jensen said the "next GeForce is a long way off" ...is that still true or are these confirmed upcoming GeForce products and not something else?

Because that wasn't that long ago...

 

[PeterScott]

So... back when Jensen said the "next GeForce is a long way off" ...is that still true or are these confirmed upcoming GeForce products and not something else?

Because that wasn't that long ago...

We will know soon enough, it could have just been a ploy to keep people buying up the old stock.

 

[Guru]

NVIDIA hinted at RTX 2080 in all of it's promotional materials. So It's RTX 2080. Period.

Nope, launch is this month, the channel is already brewing.

OMG this is so silly. The RTX brand is reserved for the already announced quadro cards, which even though were announced few days ago, they will be coming Q4 2018.

Nvidia is most likely going to announce their desktop graphics in 5 or 6 days, but that doesn't mean immediate availability. Find me ONE time in Nvidia history when they announced new cards and instantly the next day they were available for sale? At best, its going to be a month before being available on a 'paper launch'.

Now some hardcore facts and truth bombs for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RT stands fordirect quote from Nvidia's own announcement) "New RT Cores to enable real-time ray tracing of objects and environments with physically accurate shadows, reflections, refractions and global illumination."
So RT is for new Ray Tracing cores, thus the RTX.

From Nvidia's own announcement: "Quadro RTX GPUs will be available starting in the fourth quarter on nvidia.com"

Again Nvidia's OWN OFFICIAL announcement: "Developers can access these Quadro RTX features through the new NVIDIA RTX™, a graphics platform that includes APIs for ray tracing, AI, rasterization, and simulation plus support for NVIDIA MDL materials and Pixar USD asset interchange to transform the creative process. Initially supported by 30 ISV applications and addressing more than 50 million users, RTX can be easily accessed by professionals across industries through a range of creative applications and tools.

So not to burst your bubble, but all of the "hints" in the video are for the RTX Quadro announcement. Its going to be GTX 2000 series for desktop with the memory and price point that I've already posted few times and you can check in my post history and coming late Q4 for the solo GTX 2080 and then rest of the series in 2019.

 

[PeterScott]

OMG this is so silly. The RTX brand is reserved for the already announced quadro cards, which even though were announced few days ago, they will be coming Q4 2018.

Nvidia is most likely going to announce their desktop graphics in 5 or 6 days, but that doesn't mean immediate availability. Find me ONE time in Nvidia history when they announced new cards and instantly the next day they were available for sale? At best, its going to be a month before being available on a 'paper launch'.

Now some hardcore facts and truth bombs for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RT stands fordirect quote from Nvidia's own announcement) "New RT Cores to enable real-time ray tracing of objects and environments with physically accurate shadows, reflections, refractions and global illumination."
So RT is for new Ray Tracing cores, thus the RTX.

From Nvidia's own announcement: "Quadro RTX GPUs will be available starting in the fourth quarter on nvidia.com"

Again Nvidia's OWN OFFICIAL announcement: "Developers can access these Quadro RTX features through the new NVIDIA RTX™, a graphics platform that includes APIs for ray tracing, AI, rasterization, and simulation plus support for NVIDIA MDL materials and Pixar USD asset interchange to transform the creative process. Initially supported by 30 ISV applications and addressing more than 50 million users, RTX can be easily accessed by professionals across industries through a range of creative applications and tools.

So not to burst your bubble, but all of the "hints" in the video are for the RTX Quadro announcement. Its going to be GTX 2000 series for desktop with the memory and price point that I've already posted few times and you can check in my post history and coming late Q4 for the solo GTX 2080 and then rest of the series in 2019.

The only silly thing is your willful blindness to the Evidence NVidia is dropping.

The Video has nothing to do with just launched Quadro cards and is for the Aug 20th event, which is clearly about RTX 2080. A ray tracing consumer card.

 

[Tweak155]

The only silly thing is your willful blindness to the Evidence NVidia is dropping.

The Video has nothing to do with just launched Quadro cards and is for the Aug 20th event, which is clearly about RTX 2080. A ray tracing consumer card.

It's not silly... it's downright bizarre.

 

[Muhammed]

So not to burst your bubble, but all of the "hints" in the video are for the RTX Quadro announcement.

Nope and Nope, the hints are for Geforce cards, just watch the damn video, it's full of references to OverWatch and PUBG and actual PC gamers using Discord and Steam, these are all PC gamers stuff, with phrases like inspired by "Gamers" .. the video is even called "be for the game"!! Nothing is even closely related to Quadro in that video, all Geforce all day long. Stop embarrassing yourself any longer man.

NVIDIA teases GeForce RTX 2080
https://videocardz.com/77289/nvidia-teases-geforce-rtx-2080

OMG this is so silly. The RTX brand is reserved for the already announced quadro cards, which even though were announced few days ago, they will be coming Q4 2018.

Quadro cards ALWAYS launch AFTER Geforce cards.

The channel is stuck full of Turing Geforce cards right now, all partners are ready to reveal them, your ignorance and blindness to this fact is amazing.

Gainward teases GeForce RTX 2080
https://videocardz.com/newz/gainward-teases-geforce-rtx-2080

GALAXY offers to replace your FX 5200 with RTX 2080
https://videocardz.com/77345/galaxy-offers-to-replace-your-fx-5200-with-next-gen-geforce

 

[alcoholbob]

Nope and Nope, the hints are for Geforce cards, just watch the damn video, it's full of references to OverWatch and PUBG and actual PC gamers using Discord and Steam, these are all PC gamers stuff, with phrases like inspired by "Gamers" .. the video is even called "be for the game"!! Nothing is even closely related to Quadro in that video, all Geforce all day long. Stop embarrassing yourself any longer man.

NVIDIA teases GeForce RTX 2080
https://videocardz.com/77289/nvidia-teases-geforce-rtx-2080


Quadro cards ALWAYS launch AFTER Geforce cards.

The channel is stuck full of Turing Geforce cards right now, all partners are ready to reveal them, your ignorance and blindness to this fact is amazing.

Gainward teases GeForce RTX 2080
https://videocardz.com/newz/gainward-teases-geforce-rtx-2080

GALAXY offers to replace your FX 5200 with RTX 2080
https://videocardz.com/77345/galaxy-offers-to-replace-your-fx-5200-with-next-gen-geforce

So current rumor is GTX 2080 is faster than Titan V with 2.5GHz clocks, and previous rumor was only the Titan RTX will be faster than Titan V, and GTX 2080 will be 8% faster than 1080 Ti.

Someone must be making things up right now.

Of course it's worth keeping in perspective, back in 2016 prior to GTX 1080 launch, there were leaks the 1080 could hit 2.5 GHz on water. That ended up being completely false. So it could be more recycled FUD.

 

[Guru]

The only silly thing is your willful blindness to the Evidence NVidia is dropping.

The Video has nothing to do with just launched Quadro cards and is for the Aug 20th event, which is clearly about RTX 2080. A ray tracing consumer card.

It has ONE hint for the 2000 series cards, which ME ALONE here said it was going to be the 2000 series, when everyone followed 100% madeup false rumors and were calling it 1100 series even though I've presented all of my unbreakable arguments and facts.

I would be shocked if the new gaming series are called RTX, its likely a very new decision if that is the case. They should be GTX 2000 series, earliest Q4 2018, probably for a solo 2080 card through Nvidia website, with AIB's, availability and other models in 2019.

If you check out my posts you can also learn about the performance and price of the new desktop cards.

 

[Timmah!]

So current rumor is GTX 2080 is faster than Titan V with 2.5GHz clocks, and previous rumor was only the Titan RTX will be faster than Titan V, and GTX 2080 will be 8% faster than 1080 Ti.

Someone must be making things up right now.

Of course it's worth keeping in perspective, back in 2016 prior to GTX 1080 launch, there were leaks the 1080 could hit 2.5 GHz on water. That ended up being completely false. So it could be more recycled FUD.

The current rumor is based off Ashes of Singularity benchmark, where unknown Nvidia card shows better score than Titan V. For whatever reason people assume that its 2080, when it as might well be new Titan or even one of the new Quadros.
At the same time however, i dont think its so far fetched to assume even 2080 might be slightly faster than Titan V. After all, its almost 9 months since V was released and despite the fact, it was massive chip and extremely expensive, it was not really a gaming card. AFAIK it was only like 20 percent faster than Titan XP, at least stock - i dont think its unrealistic for 2080 to beat that, especially if OCed and perhaps thanks to some architectural improvement over Pascal. I read on Nvidia Reddit that Turing has 1,5x faster rasterization, compared to Pascal, per one of the Nvidia presentation slides.

On topic of RTX and professional stuff, i found pieces of info stating that new Quadro is apparently 5-8x faster at Octane Render´s pathtracing, when compared to Pascal Quadro P6000. Not quite advertised 25x speedup i read about first, but still awesome. Since this is big chip compared to previous big chip (akin to Titan XP), i assume the smaller Quadro RTX compares similarly to smaller Pascal Quadro too (the one with the same chip as GTX 1080), given the fact its 2/3 of the big chip in both cases. Now, hopefully, 2080 is the exact same as Quadro RTX 5000, with all the RTX bells and whistles - i want it sooo much :-O Preferably 2 of them, LOL, to replace both my 1080s.

 

[jpiniero]

I would be shocked if the new gaming series are called RTX, its likely a very new decision if that is the case. They should be GTX 2000 series, earliest Q4 2018, probably for a solo 2080 card through Nvidia website, with AIB's, availability and other models in 2019.

nVidia has been sitting on GT104 chip inventory for some time. It'd be unusual, but I don't think it's out of the question that FE cards are made available immediately.

The Titan will probably ship in Q4.

Now the name on the other hand, they might have been going back and forth on it.

 

[crisium]

It has ONE hint for the 2000 series cards, which ME ALONE here said it was going to be the 2000 series, when everyone followed 100% madeup false rumors and were calling it 1100 series even though I've presented all of my unbreakable arguments and facts.

I would be shocked if the new gaming series are called RTX, its likely a very new decision if that is the case. They should be GTX 2000 series, earliest Q4 2018, probably for a solo 2080 card through Nvidia website, with AIB's, availability and other models in 2019.

If you check out my posts you can also learn about the performance and price of the new desktop cards.

Don't toot your own horn until proven right. We have nothing to learn from your guesswork. Speculative discussion is fun but to pass it off as factual knowledge on the 2080 that we can learn from is arrogance.

Also you're not the only one who dismissed 1180 naming rumours.

I'd also bet money on GTX 2080 instead of GTX 1180, so to me this just further proved there is no leak.

2080 always made more sense as it projects more superiority vis-à-vis the previous gen.

 

[PeterScott]

It has ONE hint for the 2000 series cards, which ME ALONE here said it was going to be the 2000 series, when everyone followed 100% madeup false rumors and were calling it 1100 series even though I've presented all of my unbreakable arguments and facts.

LOL! I hate to burst your bubble, but people were split about 50:50 on the naming of the card, as the rumors went back and forth, I favored 20xx series myself, as did many others, so you can't claim YOU ALONE guessed this largely irrelevant tidbit of info.

You don't have any facts. You are just guessing like the rest of us based on the available rumors.

 

[alcoholbob]

The current rumor is based off Ashes of Singularity benchmark, where unknown Nvidia card shows better score than Titan V. For whatever reason people assume that its 2080, when it as might well be new Titan or even one of the new Quadros.
At the same time however, i dont think its so far fetched to assume even 2080 might be slightly faster than Titan V. After all, its almost 9 months since V was released and despite the fact, it was massive chip and extremely expensive, it was not really a gaming card. AFAIK it was only like 20 percent faster than Titan XP, at least stock - i dont think its unrealistic for 2080 to beat that, especially if OCed and perhaps thanks to some architectural improvement over Pascal. I read on Nvidia Reddit that Turing has 1,5x faster rasterization, compared to Pascal, per one of the Nvidia presentation slides.

On topic of RTX and professional stuff, i found pieces of info stating that new Quadro is apparently 5-8x faster at Octane Render´s pathtracing, when compared to Pascal Quadro P6000. Not quite advertised 25x speedup i read about first, but still awesome. Since this is big chip compared to previous big chip (akin to Titan XP), i assume the smaller Quadro RTX compares similarly to smaller Pascal Quadro too (the one with the same chip as GTX 1080), given the fact its 2/3 of the big chip in both cases. Now, hopefully, 2080 is the exact same as Quadro RTX 5000, with all the RTX bells and whistles - i want it sooo much :-O Preferably 2 of them, LOL, to replace both my 1080s.

Based on napkin math it's still in theory possible though.

Some have speculated the RTX Quadro 5000 might be the same die as the GTX 2080. At 3072 cuda cores, if it could hit 2.5GHz, at max overclock it would be about equivalent to a Titan V with 5120 cores at 1500 MHz, just slightly faster than Titan V's stock 1450MHz clock speed.

Of course once you overclock the Titan V to 2GHz+ the performance wouldn't be even close.

 

[jpiniero]

The problem with calling it 20xx is really that they are just that much closer to getting to the 5xxx series which has already been used.

 

[PeterScott]

The problem with calling it 20xx is really that they are just that much closer to getting to the 5xxx series which has already been used.

I really don't think that is a serious issue. The 5000 series was in 2003, and was FX 5000, by the time we get to 5000 again, about 2 decades will have elapsed between them. It isn't like anyone is going to confuse them.

Plus they could just shake up the naming scheme anytime between then and now.

Plus lots of product just recycle the same names over and over.

Total non issue.

 

[Headfoot]

I better go buy up all the ATi 2xxx and 3xxx cards so when nVidia gets to that number I can toss em up on eBay

 

[LTC8K6]

https://videocardz.com/newz/palit-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-and-rtx-2080-gamingpro-series-unveiled

Looks like RTX 2080Ti is the correct name for the gaming cards.

https://videocardz.com/newz/exclusive-msi-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-gaming-x-trio-pictured

 

[Muhammed]

I would be shocked if the new gaming series are called RTX,

Are you shocked now?
RTX 2080Ti and RTX 2080:
https://videocardz.com/newz/msi-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-and-rtx-2080-duke-pictured
https://videocardz.com/newz/palit-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-and-rtx-2080-gamingpro-series-unveiled
https://videocardz.com/newz/exclusive-msi-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-gaming-x-trio-pictured