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AnandTech: Intel's Pentium 4 3.06GHz: Hyper-Threading on Desktops
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At 11/14/2002 9:52 AM Evan Lieb Wrote
Whoa, I knew in America everything is big, but seconds that last for hours...
-DaFinn
For comparison you could've thrown in a duallie rig to see how it fares against HT...
Xeons and a 7500 board, no HT...
Otherwise good stuff (as usual)!
-DaFinn
Xeons and a 7500 board, no HT...
Otherwise good stuff (as usual)!
-DaFinn
INTEL is the worst! AMD is able to keep up with only a 2.25ghz Athlon XP 2800+ Oh the greatness of AMD!!!
Nice review.
Man I'm really in a bind at the moment, I don?t know what to do for my new computer. Was going to build a P4 system, but now that I?ve seen how well AMD is keeping up with the 3.06, I don?t know where I should place my money. Think I'm going have to wait and see anand's round up of the granite bay boards.
Also wouldn?t it have been better to run the AMD's in that test on DDR333 RAM? Doesn?t that provide a performance boost over DDR400 because they are synchronised or some such thing?
Man I'm really in a bind at the moment, I don?t know what to do for my new computer. Was going to build a P4 system, but now that I?ve seen how well AMD is keeping up with the 3.06, I don?t know where I should place my money. Think I'm going have to wait and see anand's round up of the granite bay boards.
Also wouldn?t it have been better to run the AMD's in that test on DDR333 RAM? Doesn?t that provide a performance boost over DDR400 because they are synchronised or some such thing?
Originally posted by: KhoiFather
INTEL is the worst! AMD is able to keep up with only a 2.25ghz Athlon XP 2800+ Oh the greatness of AMD!!!
So...where can we actually buy this "Athlon XP 2800+?"
I see the 2700 on pricewatch (for $355).
For a few bucks more (proc costs $388) you can pick up a P4 2.8Ghz.
In regards to the flame-bait, fan-boy comments...
Very nice article! The HT certainly looks very impressive
Here's a quote from the article that I found equally impressive:
It looks like Intel's transition to .09um chips is going just as smooth as their transition to 0.13um! :Q All I can say is that it looks like Intel is in full stride and AMD needs to get Hammer and Barton to market, ASAP!
"Don't feed the trolls..."
Here's a quote from the article that I found equally impressive:
It looks like Intel's transition to .09um chips is going just as smooth as their transition to 0.13um! :Q All I can say is that it looks like Intel is in full stride and AMD needs to get Hammer and Barton to market, ASAP!
"Don't feed the trolls..."
microAmp
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Sweet, now I can read Anand's version, instead of relying on Tom's version of it. But from what I saw at THG, the HT didn't really impress me, and I was disappointed in the benchmarks except for two or three of them. One thing that was impressed me was a picture of Photoshop w/ and w/o HT, it loaded up faster with HT, so that seemed to be impressive to me.
OH NO! This CPU is NOT 'C1' stepping! Take a look at the bottom of the chip shown in Anand's article! :Q Obviously, that's a mistake, there should be a different picture, I'm just pointing out the mistake there
Evan I like you but the review was a little weak!!!
To not show the p4 3.06ghz without HT enablced makes most of your comments of when HT helps or not heresay...If I did not read other more thorough reviews like Ace's I would not really know the effects on single threaded apps -vs- multithreaded apps -vs- multitasking withsingle threaded apps -vs- multitasking with multihreaded apps....
To the fanboy AMD up above....YOu go buy that phantom 2800+ and put it on those not really released nforce2 boards....Your paperlaunch hand session does not impress me, or many reviewers who commmented one way or another on it....
The 3.06ghz beat the 2800+ in majority of apps with HT disabled and shows that once again amd's pr rating is fairly accurate....Throw in HT and look at all the reviews you see the numbers can get pretty bad for amd and in all likihood will get worse as more things come HT enabled..software that is....
Look how INtel basically captures back the 3dsmax crown...divx....mp3....Gaming apps are not really multithreaded so the gains were modest...You fanboys lack some basic reading skills...or is it you just jump to the benchmarks and get excited when amd was still within a point or two.....
For you sad boys you need to read other reviews and see where this thing oc'd to!! That may scare you and your phantom chips!!!!\
This site disgust me sometimes on the can't ever say anything nice ppl who feel just brand loyalty....I say nice things about amd, I try to learn more about amd, consider them as a system even now, and just bought one for my work PC....So don't go there with me!!!
To not show the p4 3.06ghz without HT enablced makes most of your comments of when HT helps or not heresay...If I did not read other more thorough reviews like Ace's I would not really know the effects on single threaded apps -vs- multithreaded apps -vs- multitasking withsingle threaded apps -vs- multitasking with multihreaded apps....
To the fanboy AMD up above....YOu go buy that phantom 2800+ and put it on those not really released nforce2 boards....Your paperlaunch hand session does not impress me, or many reviewers who commmented one way or another on it....
The 3.06ghz beat the 2800+ in majority of apps with HT disabled and shows that once again amd's pr rating is fairly accurate....Throw in HT and look at all the reviews you see the numbers can get pretty bad for amd and in all likihood will get worse as more things come HT enabled..software that is....
Look how INtel basically captures back the 3dsmax crown...divx....mp3....Gaming apps are not really multithreaded so the gains were modest...You fanboys lack some basic reading skills...or is it you just jump to the benchmarks and get excited when amd was still within a point or two.....
For you sad boys you need to read other reviews and see where this thing oc'd to!! That may scare you and your phantom chips!!!!\
This site disgust me sometimes on the can't ever say anything nice ppl who feel just brand loyalty....I say nice things about amd, I try to learn more about amd, consider them as a system even now, and just bought one for my work PC....So don't go there with me!!!
This is one of the best reviews I've ever read. Very objective and fairly unbiased. Instead of turning the HT on and off on every benchmark and skewing the number of entries on a graph the advantages of HT were cleanly displayed in a couple of clean looking charts.
The selection of benchmarks appears wide ranging and less redundant than most of the other reviews.
For the most part the 3.06 seems to scale linearly with a little extra on some HT friendly benches. Other than that the Athlon 2800+ definitely holds it's own and even beats the 3.06 on several benchmarks.
OTOH, benches like compressing 100MB winRAR files or encoding MPEG movie files provide nice
gymnastics they are not very real world for an average user. But a lot of benches are like that
and these chips need to be stressed to show differences. In the last analysis any of these tested chips are so powerful that 99% of users will be greatly satisfied. Coming out of that it's important to note that buying the latest and greatest $700 chip doesn't get you much of a price performance ratio.
Is the 2800+ paper? Well, you can't readily buy it but I suspect it will be here in early December. How does this really differ from a chip that sells for $700 retail? Most all Anandtechers are NOT going to fork over $700 for a chip anyway.
Important thing about this review is that hyperthreading holds some promise in some areas and going forward, Intel can ride that pony by trying to get software developers to ride along.
Same thing happened with MMX. Sounded real good but software developers didn't jump on that fast. I expect the same here. Non the less Intel will ride the benches on this on and HT will be another notch in Intels gun handle.
Macro
The selection of benchmarks appears wide ranging and less redundant than most of the other reviews.
For the most part the 3.06 seems to scale linearly with a little extra on some HT friendly benches. Other than that the Athlon 2800+ definitely holds it's own and even beats the 3.06 on several benchmarks.
OTOH, benches like compressing 100MB winRAR files or encoding MPEG movie files provide nice
gymnastics they are not very real world for an average user. But a lot of benches are like that
and these chips need to be stressed to show differences. In the last analysis any of these tested chips are so powerful that 99% of users will be greatly satisfied. Coming out of that it's important to note that buying the latest and greatest $700 chip doesn't get you much of a price performance ratio.
Is the 2800+ paper? Well, you can't readily buy it but I suspect it will be here in early December. How does this really differ from a chip that sells for $700 retail? Most all Anandtechers are NOT going to fork over $700 for a chip anyway.
Important thing about this review is that hyperthreading holds some promise in some areas and going forward, Intel can ride that pony by trying to get software developers to ride along.
Same thing happened with MMX. Sounded real good but software developers didn't jump on that fast. I expect the same here. Non the less Intel will ride the benches on this on and HT will be another notch in Intels gun handle.
Macro
OT, but all I could think about was what would happen to these benchmakrs if AMD added another 256k of cache....
They will be in a few months, and I expect barton to be launched at 2.32GHz and a model number of 3000+ and to be competitive with the 3.06 P4.
Well done. Once AMD has a more competitive part and a few weeks pass, the 3.06 will drop significantly in price. At least you can actually buy it now though...
Something I picked up from another thread pertaining to HardOcps review.
The person noticed that the HardOCP folks benchmarked Photoshop with a Quake demo running the background. How many people are going to do that?!
"They never told us performance of Quake in the foreground when you are doing Photoshop in the background, a much more likely scenario.
The idea of running a game in the background is so ridiculous that I suspect HardOCP just reported combos that worked and didn't report the others."
You gotta wonder what it takes to get a test chip these days...<G>
The person noticed that the HardOCP folks benchmarked Photoshop with a Quake demo running the background. How many people are going to do that?!
"They never told us performance of Quake in the foreground when you are doing Photoshop in the background, a much more likely scenario.
The idea of running a game in the background is so ridiculous that I suspect HardOCP just reported combos that worked and didn't report the others."
You gotta wonder what it takes to get a test chip these days...<G>
My roommate & I both use our P4's to do exactly that (both) on a near-daily basis.
The 3.06 will be a nice upgrade from the 2.3-2.5 we're running now.
Viper GTS
RE:"My roommate & I both use our P4's to do exactly that (both) on a near-daily basis."
I'd say you guys are FAR above average. <G>
Do you run Photoshop in the foreground and Quake in the background? LOl
Mac
I'd say you guys are FAR above average. <G>
Do you run Photoshop in the foreground and Quake in the background? LOl
Mac
I'm really looking forward to upgrading to a HT enabled CPU in the near future just because of the increased system response when its multitasking. To me, this is a bigger gain than having a faster system. A couple gighz of extra speed isn't going to speed up everyday tasks (www surfing, reading emails, using word...) a whole lot. But having a much responsive system while multitasking is much more important. I still remember the days when I had a BP6 with dual celeries. From what I can remember, that system was more responsive than my current 2.4gighz P4 system.
On a side note, I'm currently running a Abit BG7 board, does anyone know if it will support HT cpus in the future?
Heifetz
On a side note, I'm currently running a Abit BG7 board, does anyone know if it will support HT cpus in the future?
Heifetz
I'm sorry, but the answer is no. Only 850/850e, 845PE/GE/GV, Granite Bay Support HT. 845, 845D, 845E, 845G, 845GL all do not support HT.TRENDING THREADS
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