apoppin
Lifer
well, i agreed to do this only because i think it will work.
first of all, they picked Keysplayer and me for this ... two members and now mods with VERY different personalities, PoVs and biases. We have crossed 'swords' many times in Video and yet retain a respect for each other. IF we can AGREE on what "goes" in Video and what does not, i don't think we will have a problem.
And with this new policy we are not "policemen" - we are moderators - here to HELP settle disputes, make sure personal attacks are minimized, and keep subjects on topic and in the right place. i think the large majority of the Posters in Video would prefer this; the others who will "test" it will find out if we are resolute in our determination or not
i believe that we do NOT actually give the "vacations" ... that is still the duties of the senior mods who will carefully review and examine our recommendations to them
CaptnKirk
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Will this also enforce, for example, where somone deliberatly drives a topic 'off-subject', as frequently happens in the "Politics and News' forum, where the goal of the hi-jacking is specifically to get the topic locked and terminate the debate?
There are some here who will Shout-Down, and use personal insults to perform exactly that function. If they engage in that form of backdoor censorship, there appears to be no consequences for that action.
Sample of subject termination by hi-jacking of thread by personal insult and attacks
Maybe when this happens again, and it will, the perpetrator needs to be warned, banned, or have their commentary removed from the thread, and then let the tread continue with the understanding that if said offender returns to attempt another drive-by killing, they will be delt with for their irresponsible action, instead of expecting a free-pass, again.
There are some here who will Shout-Down, and use personal insults to perform exactly that function. If they engage in that form of backdoor censorship, there appears to be no consequences for that action.
Sample of subject termination by hi-jacking of thread by personal insult and attacks
Maybe when this happens again, and it will, the perpetrator needs to be warned, banned, or have their commentary removed from the thread, and then let the tread continue with the understanding that if said offender returns to attempt another drive-by killing, they will be delt with for their irresponsible action, instead of expecting a free-pass, again.
I can tell a lot of work went into these guidelines, and I want to thank those who worked on them for their efforts. Good stuff!
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I think it's a shame the mods' identities have been revealed . I liked having the little 'buddies' lightbulb as my only indicator the long arm of the law was lurking, watching us. 
I can just see this leading to calling out, ass-kissing, etc. and in fact I have already seen it in the OT thread.
The anonymity worked IMO. I'm not really sure why the change was necessary at all; just because some whiners complain about their locked threads and vacations? Don't be an idiot and you won't be banned, period. I read the post from Derek, but this still does not really make sense to me.
Anyway, good luck to everyone! I'm sure once the initial 'shock' of this wear off, things will all settle in nicely, but I just thought I would share my opinion.
Cheers,
KT
PS: So technically now someone could just add all of the moderators to their buddies list and go nef the crap out of a particular area if that particular mod(s) is not on? Great. :frown:
I can just see this leading to calling out, ass-kissing, etc. and in fact I have already seen it in the OT thread.
The anonymity worked IMO. I'm not really sure why the change was necessary at all; just because some whiners complain about their locked threads and vacations? Don't be an idiot and you won't be banned, period. I read the post from Derek, but this still does not really make sense to me.
Anyway, good luck to everyone! I'm sure once the initial 'shock' of this wear off, things will all settle in nicely, but I just thought I would share my opinion.
Cheers,
KT
PS: So technically now someone could just add all of the moderators to their buddies list and go nef the crap out of a particular area if that particular mod(s) is not on? Great. :frown:
apoppin
Lifer
ah, NO! ... i am active in other forums besides Video and CPU; just as a policeman is sworn to uphold the law whether he is "off-duty" or on, i am certain all the mods will take action against obvious rules violations in forums outside their specialty
--and we know who to call
-for a swift response
EDIT: if someone is neffing because he knows the mod's away, he'd better clean up all the evidence before the mod gets back ... just because action is not instantly taken does not mean that action will never be taken
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Originally posted by: apoppin
ah, NO! ... i am active in other forums besides Video and CPU; just as a policeman is sworn to uphold the law whether he is "off-duty" or on, i am certain all the mods will take action against obvious rules violations in forums outside their specialty
--and we know who to call
-for a swift response
Haha, good stuff. I'm not really one to whine about other members, most of that stuff seems to sort itself out pretty quickly, but it's good to know you will all be lurking around, watching as usual. :thumbsup:
KT
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But you can log into member accounts right? I see this mentioned in many of the FS/FT troll threads that 'we logged in to check their PMs and some such'.
KT
alkemyst
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I think the buzzphrase is "it's good to be king".
A lot of the vocal people have been anonymously moderated by those they had high suspicions was the other active person in the thread.
I am glad AT is opening up more into an adult community instead of a psuedo-one. Still you will have the old boys club calling the subjective shots instead of being objective.
I find the place runs well though.
It's nice the mods are known so that they can't play stupid or celebrate a thread edit/lock as if they have no clue why.
Most of the mods I now can see are mods I had already picked.
I must say when seeing the post in OT I was surprised.
I welcome this change as it makes the community tighter and more structured. I am also glad that there are now more moderators for the subdivided sections that seem to be working well (a point brought up in the recent past). The mods are now more personal and accessible if you know what I am saying.
As for the negatives:
Well I know some big boards near the size of AT which have this mod set up, and while there is the occasional call out of a mod by their actual name, there really is not any harassing and when the time comes for some disgruntled banned member to make a call out thread most of the members will back this up.
Also maybe bringing back the member rating system will help and now be more feasible since more mods are online to watch abuse.
Also assuming they are not already, or have been offered
I would like to nominate KarenMarie for OT mod as she is very fair and level headed and an overall nice lady who I think has the forums best interest at heart.
YoYo for sound forum (but I assume he already is)
Engineer and Eagle Keeper for mod also. They are very helpful members and have always exemplified what an elite member is.
I welcome this change as it makes the community tighter and more structured. I am also glad that there are now more moderators for the subdivided sections that seem to be working well (a point brought up in the recent past). The mods are now more personal and accessible if you know what I am saying.
As for the negatives:
Well I know some big boards near the size of AT which have this mod set up, and while there is the occasional call out of a mod by their actual name, there really is not any harassing and when the time comes for some disgruntled banned member to make a call out thread most of the members will back this up.
Also maybe bringing back the member rating system will help and now be more feasible since more mods are online to watch abuse.
Also assuming they are not already, or have been offered
I would like to nominate KarenMarie for OT mod as she is very fair and level headed and an overall nice lady who I think has the forums best interest at heart.
YoYo for sound forum (but I assume he already is)
Engineer and Eagle Keeper for mod also. They are very helpful members and have always exemplified what an elite member is.
I too think they did this too quickly.
I already see a couple of people with classic conflicts of interest.
Something that sadly has gone out the window in this country as of late.
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I am still keeping my eye on anyone that profess to be or acts like a shill
Warnings will lead to vacations quickly.
Senior Anandtech Moderator
Common Courtesy
Derek, I was also thinking you should add to the forum guidelines that repeated offenses add up to being banned.
For example in the thread in OT someone said "Wow and I was banned just for calling someone gay." But, I'd be willing to bet they had a history of trouble in their past and that was simply just the small straw that broke the camels neck.
For example in the thread in OT someone said "Wow and I was banned just for calling someone gay." But, I'd be willing to bet they had a history of trouble in their past and that was simply just the small straw that broke the camels neck.
This is kind of already built in -- multiple warnings for the same thing warrants a vacation, multiple vactations for the same thing equals a ban.
if that's not clear in the guidelines, let me know how I can emphasise that better.
Yes I see that now, got it. Thanks for all the time you put in.
Just curious, are you still working on the main site as well?
Also any chance Anand himself will be making an appearance on the new forums.
shortylickens
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- Jul 15, 2003
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I see a lot of people offering suggestions on the matter but I'd like to ask a question:
Do these new and enhanced/clarified rules apply to the Video forum?
The only reason I ask is because it seems to me that folks go into the hardware sections looking for useful advice. I know a lot of the guys in this thread seem to like the big debates that go on there, but I wanted to know what the admins position was on this issue.
Did they want the debating and fighting to be contained in OT and P&N or will it be allowed in other areas as well?
Do these new and enhanced/clarified rules apply to the Video forum?
The only reason I ask is because it seems to me that folks go into the hardware sections looking for useful advice. I know a lot of the guys in this thread seem to like the big debates that go on there, but I wanted to know what the admins position was on this issue.
Did they want the debating and fighting to be contained in OT and P&N or will it be allowed in other areas as well?
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Good quesition. I do not even click on the video forum anymore due to all of the crap that goes on there. Sad but true. It's like P&N light or something...ugh.
KT
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