It will be brought to their attention, yes. But that does not mean everything is swept under the carpet.Originally posted by: Nik
Considering past circumstances, I have absolutely no faith that an issue I raise via PM or email or anything other than a direct PM to Derek will actually be intercepted by someone other than the mod I may be having an issue with. However, we can't email Derek per rule #12. This just completely defeats the purpose.Originally posted by: Gillbot
You can PM the mail mod account, it will be discussed amongst all of us. Don't worry, we give each other as much crap as you guys give us and we'll definitely call a mod out if they are in the wrong.
If members have a problem with senior moderators, there's no real way we can go to someone without them getting involved. There's no guarantee that the issue will be resolved.
Will we get banned if we PM Derek with issues that would otherwise get us banned for posting in PFI about it? I hate the idea that we can't really even talk about the real issues at hand in PFI even though that's what it's for without the risk of someone sweeping the issue under the rug and banning us for "mod callout" which is the biggest undefined all-encompansing ban card ever.
This is my biggest and only real concern.
Remember that we tripled the number of Moderators last year.Originally posted by: Gillbot
If there is a constant problem, Derek is "the boss" and he will handle everything that we screw up on.
We are volunteers, if you want a timely response, feel free to put a bribe in your PM when sent.
What if people, including the OP, are involved in conversation that naturally strays off the original topic? Is that against the rules? Should the thread be locked? What if we don't want to participate in a giant thread full of junk that doesn't have anything to do with our conversation? Do we have to start a new thread every time the natural course of conversation changes topics? It's ridiculous to expect a couple people having a good time in an actual conversation (not just tossing stupid memes around for the sake of postcount) to govern themselves going "WAIT! Stop. We're not on-topic (even though this is off topic) so now we must stop and create a new thread or continue this conversation in the official neffing thread!"
Originally posted by: ViRGE
I'll start things off I guess.
I'll be honest here, I think that some parts of this are good, other parts are bad. I like the clearer rules, we've needed those for a long time. I also really like the moderator guidelines as this further clarifies things for what the moderators will be watching. Furthermore I really, really like the public list of banned URLs because we've had problems with sites such as ChiefValue and eBay being blacklisted for reasons that not even the moderators could answer well.
I am less enthusiastic in the changes to how moderation is done however. I fear that by having non-anonymous moderators, we're going to see a concentrated effort to drive out the mods in places like Politics & News and Video Cards, where political and video fanboys respectively will do their damnedest to run out the mods whenever they feel slighted or feel the mods don't have a "neutral"(i.e. matching) bias. Similarly, with rigid rules I could see the guilty parties trying very hard to walk the line and cause as much trouble as they can by doing something that's on the line, getting moderated for it, and then complaining to the senior mods about all of this. In short it's a private forum and the mods need to be able to be authoritarian at times to maintain order, and this may undercut that.
But I think it's too early to completely judge the changes. This could work, so this may work, but everyone will need to keep an eye on how things are going before deciding if the new moderation changes are effective or not.
1) Warning members of a violation ? For isolated incidents, first time offences, or minor infractions, moderators will issue a warning to a user in the form of a Private Message (PM).
2) Temporarily banning a member (vacation) ? If a member receives multiple warnings, or commits a serious violation of our guidelines, the member will be temporarily barred from posting on the forum.
Given that you participated in #5 of the Do Not Do guidelines, the implementation of the second half of #2 would seem justified.5) Spamming will not be permitted. On topic references to your personal commercial matters are permitted on a limited basis and at moderator discretion. Multiple quick nef posts, posts designed to generate traffic to specific web sites, and flooding the Forums will not be tolerated.
You have the option of respectfully requesting a review to the Moderator that issued you a vacation, you can request a review by the Senior Moderator staff or appeal to Derek.Originally posted by: Sea Moose
Also, when you are banned and you feel you didnt deserve to be banned, how are you supposed to post in the personal forum issue?
There should be an impartial person who can make a final ruling on a ban and decide if the mods acted too heavily handed, or if they were perhaps too light on a sentence. But i mean, its not fair to ban someone for rules that arent written anywhere.
what does this mean? In laymans terms5) Spamming will not be permitted. On topic references to your personal commercial matters are permitted on a limited basis and at moderator discretion. Multiple quick nef posts, posts designed to generate traffic to specific web sites, and flooding the Forums will not be tolerated.
Forum Director - equivalent to what Derek was under FT (Perknose & Bamacre)I've only done a cursory look, and haven't noticed, but is there an explanation of the new categories of Admins & mods? ie: Forum Director, Super Moderator, etc?
We'd have to write a custom title for each mod, and frankly we're much too lazy to do that. The forum still knows who mods what, as those mods only have mod powers in the right forum.I kinda wish the following were still true:Is that not possible anymore, or is it just delayed?
1)I kinda wish the following were still true:Is that not possible anymore, or is it just delayed?
it's for keeping track of your behavior. mods can see patterns that way. once it times out it's just there as a note i believe.I just received an "infraction" for quoting someone's babe picture in an OT topic.
What does this mean, exactly? It's this like a three strikes system, or just friendly warning?