Conservative Kill-Monger McCain.
I go to vote and in my county almost everything that is up for vote has a Democrat running unopposed.
So I vote for McCain,
against the sitting judges
against the Illinois Constitutional Convention.
Almost everything else from congressmen all done that was running unopposed I just refused to vote for because it was either the Democrat or no one else.
Illinois is like a socialist republic.
I go to vote and in my county almost everything that is up for vote has a Democrat running unopposed.
So I vote for McCain,
against the sitting judges
against the Illinois Constitutional Convention.
Almost everything else from congressmen all done that was running unopposed I just refused to vote for because it was either the Democrat or no one else.
Illinois is like a socialist republic.
You just don't know what a real liberal is. (EDIT: in the modern, leftist implying sense that is)
Lemon law
Lifer
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I decided not to vote in this poll but I did vote in the general election. I ask, this close to the results of the only poll that matters, why have a poll of this nature?
Its already well known that P&N is not a representative cross section of America, P&N is more left leaning than the average of America, I may be proud to be only one small reason for that more leftward P&N bias, but its an insult to my intelligence to think such a P&N poll will mean anything.
Its already well known that P&N is not a representative cross section of America, P&N is more left leaning than the average of America, I may be proud to be only one small reason for that more leftward P&N bias, but its an insult to my intelligence to think such a P&N poll will mean anything.
Social Democrat - Voted for Obama. Went right this time and voted Democrat in all possible races but sheriff (guy running is a fucktard that switches party every cycle) instead of the liberal alternative.
Nader fvcked Gore and gave us Bush, so as much as I like him, and as safe as our Ca vote for him would be, I won't encourage him any more. I voted for him before and that was enough. When the people rally to his cause, maybe then.
m1ldslide1
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Well none of the discussions that go on in P&N will ever mean anything by your standards - its not like we're breaking intellectual ground and will blaze trails in the new order of political discourse. As important as many of us may feel, nobody cares what we have to say.
In other words, It's just for fun.
I'll never understand this. Nader ran for president to promote the values he believes in. That is nothing but a good thing. No one can ask someone not to stand up for that for the benefit of another, unrelated political party. That's not what America's about, and I don't blame Ralph one second for running.
What eskimo is saying is that he is WAYYYYYYY out there left. DU is his homepage.
He is waiting for a candidate to nationalize every industry, so everyone works for the government. Then, the collective farms come in to play. Private wealth shall be siezed and distributed in the inner-city areas.
Why does this thread/poll have to mean anything? None of our other threads have meant a damned thing.
-Robert
Sheik Yerbouti
Lifer
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Nope. What's this obsession with DU from you guys anyway? I've never visited that site once in my entire life. Do I call all you guys Freepers? Where I am is probably around the center-left of every other western industrialized country. Last time I checked I didn't see any collective farms there. Don't let me get in the way of your hysterical hyperbole though... I'm sure we're all just commies in disguise.
The right in America is just so incredibly far to the right that everything looks leftist to them, even a centrist party like the Democrats. That's why I say you don't understand what real leftism is. You've never seen it, and so you take the farthest left thing you know (the Democrats) and assume that's what the left is.
Atomic Playboy
Lifer
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The problem I have with Nader is that for all his talk, he's just another opportunistic politician. The group he founded, the Public Interest Research Group, probably the largest non-profit organization in America, is completely fucked. My girlfriend took a job with them after college, where they paid her sub-minimum wage, required her to work nearly 40 hours a week of OVERTIME WITHOUT PAY, engaged in union busting techniques to prevent her from speaking out, then fired her when it was clear she wouldn't drink the Kool-Aid. If that wasn't bad enough, while she was working for the PIRGs in Massachusetts, they (PIRG) shut down the ENTIRE Los Angeles operation for attempting to unionize, losing one of their largest markets (second to only New York).
I don't think Nader set out to create the Wal-Mart of the non-profit world, but he did, and then abandoned it to pursue a political career, bragging about his accomplishment in creating the PIRG even while it descended into labor dispute hell. He's a liar, same as the rest of them, only he has hurt me significantly worse than Obama or McCain ever did. To hell with Nader... I'm glad he'll never be president.
ViviTheMage
Lifer
I Did Not Vote In The Presidential Election.
maybe i will vote later today, to give obama the extra lead
maybe i will vote later today, to give obama the extra lead
Lemon law
Lifer
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At least be consistent in your position Moonbeam, when I made basically the same argument on the futility of the democrats trying to impeaching GWB when the republicans were not ready to abandon Bush in the Senate, you were calling me all kinds of democratic unpatriotic turncoat.
And now when you take the same position I originally did, I can agree with you for the practical reasons not to vote for Nadar, but I still respect the position of eskimospy without the discourtesy of calling him a turncoat.
You do not represent the democratic party. You latch onto it because it is the closest party to your views.
The vast majority of democrats are centrist.
Lemon law
Lifer
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I understand the point you are trying to make m1ldslide, but I would not be on P&N if I only thought it was only for fun. Rightly or wrongly, I have a belief that the reasoning and discussions here will go beyond P&N as P&N members also discuss
the thinking here on P&N with a broader section of the general public, namely their friends and neighbors. And be able to debunk poorly reasoned arguments.
The mere fact I don't believe in P&N poll results as predictive is the perhaps the subtle point missed.
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