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Well as long as the package didn't guaranty anything other than the rated speed nobody has a leg to stand on when it doesn't do more that what it was rated to do in the first place. Now he's down to attacking post counts of the regulars here in an attempt to justify his stance. A-effin-mazing I say. Truly the work of an enlightened individual.

This forum could use a little spray of everybody's favorite pesticide Troll B Gone.
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Originally posted by: arcticool
I don't expect my credibility to come from # of threads but from the facts of what I'm saying.
To dismiss the facts without looking into them is stupid. To make this personal is stupid. To say I'm wrong because of # posts is stupid.

Forget who has 10 posts and who is a 4000 post 'fan boy' and stick to the facts at hand...

The e4300 cannot be 'expected' to run 3.4 or 3.6, and the DS3 does not run at 9x378.
Anandtech is getting custom and extremely 'binned' parts. Their reviews are based upon parts you can *not* expect to buy as a consumer. Period.
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#doesn't mean much, that is true, but you're missing what I am saying. The community at anand forums doesn't tolerate FUD as you are clearly seeing. So if he has X # of posts, and someone doesn't immediatly flame him evertime he posts, then he has apparently done some good for the community. You on the other hand, have come in accusing manufactures etc, but what you fail to realize is that what you're claiming you should be guaranteed, is all extra in the way of OC. You may not be getting the same results as others have, but its hit or miss. As far as the thermalright issue, that can be fixed because it is actually a defect, not something that it could possibly do.

Instead of comming on here and immediatly concluding that anand is being fed binned/custom parts, you should have tried posting as numerous others have that you're not reaching a certain point, or would like to go higher in your OC, and see if you are overlooking anything. Most of the times the fault lies with the user, not the mfg. (though there are exceptions) and you should be certain and have more evidence than just 1 polling sample.
 
Originally posted by: Daverino
Originally posted by: arcticool
I don't expect my credibility to come from # of threads but from the facts of what I'm saying.
To dismiss the facts without looking into them is stupid. To make this personal is stupid. To say I'm wrong because of # posts is stupid.

Forget who has 10 posts and who is a 4000 post 'fan boy' and stick to the facts at hand...

The e4300 cannot be 'expected' to run 3.4 or 3.6, and the DS3 does not run at 9x378.
Anandtech is getting custom and extremely 'binned' parts. Their reviews are based upon parts you can *not* expect to buy as a consumer. Period.
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Sigh, you're still here. . . The only thing stupid here is you accusing Anand of getting binned parts when you have no proof. Your May E4300 does not run at 3.4 and your DS3 has a hole a 9x378 and your Ultra-120 Extreme was defective. This flies in the face of others who have had success with these components. If you really thing your sample size of one makes your conclusion valid, well, you're gonna go through life disappointed.

I saw a video once where a guy claimed that because a banana had the perfect shape to be held by hand, could be opened easily and was very nutritious that God 'intelligently designed' it for humans to eat. . . Didn't believe him either.
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*sigh* you still try to say this is about my parts when its about all parts in production *sigh* *sigh* *sigh*

E4300 can not be expected to run 3.4 let alone 3.6, extremely rare few can...
DS3 does not run in the mhz range tested by anand.

*sigh*
*sigh*
*sigh*
Still trying to avoid the argument and say it is about my overclock which by the way I'm very happy with.

*sigh*
 
Originally posted by: Puffnstuff
Well as long as the package didn't guaranty anything other than the rated speed nobody has a leg to stand on when it doesn't do more that what it was rated to do in the first place. Now he's down to attacking post counts of the regulars here in an attempt to justify his stance. A-effin-mazing I say. Truly the work of an enlightened individual.

This forum could use a little spray of everybody's favorite pesticide Troll B Gone.
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Nope.
Simply not true.
I said that I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.
B/C someone with 4000 posts is as suspicious of being biased in a thread like this as someone with my few posts.
MY POINT WAS IGNORE THE NUMBER OF POSTS AND TALK ABOUT THE TOPIC!

but you intentionally avoid that fact...
 
Still nobody can talk about the topic at hand???

Does the 3.4-3.6 anand says to *expect* from an e4300 reflect production parts? YES or NO?

Does the DS3 board in production work in the 9x350 to 9x380 range? YES or NO?

DO ANAND PARTS MATCH PRODUCTION PARTS? YES OR NO?
 
Originally posted by: arcticool
Still nobody can talk about the topic at hand???

Does the 3.4-3.6 anand says to *expect* from an e4300 reflect production parts? YES or NO?

Does the DS3 board in production work in the 9x350 to 9x380 range? YES or NO?

DO ANAND PARTS MATCH PRODUCTION PARTS? YES OR NO?
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Here is what you're missing, just because anand says its expected to run in a certain range, doesn't mean ******. The company rates it to operate at the given frequency, anythign obtained after that is extra. You said it yourself that there are about 1-2 others in addition to anand that got chips that have performed fairly close to his results. Given the number of variables in OC, that is pretty good. But, you're jumpling to conclusions about the mfg's supplying binned parts to anand. Saying that anand got binned parts is saying that the others who had similar results got binned parts as well, there is no definitive proof. Granted there is the publicity speculation that one would get if they submit a "binned" chip to the authority on hardware reviews, but you cannot prove that. You can speculate all you want, but you will never be able to prove that, which is why this thread is making no progress. I can see where you're comming from on the matter, but there just isn't definitive proof.

Again, with the ds3 fsb hole, theres some who have gotten it to work, others who haven't. But it all comes down to proving that the mfg's are actually feeding binned parts. But there is nothing to be done because the part operates in the mfg's guarnteed specs.


And to answer your final question, no they do not. A lot of the parts anand and other review sites recieve are unfinished parts. Does this mean they are custom built or binned, no, there is no proof that they are. Some times in early production phases certain aspects of the board will function better than others, but others will remain nonfunctional. When the part is finaly ready for production, its performance can be totatlly different. But from the way you have presented your argument in this thread, you do not provide definitive evidence in proving you're point, and its near impossible to do. You sound like an expierenced user, in which case you should know not to buy products based on 1 review that isn't even based on the production board. And to quote from your op, you're not an unlucky smuck who decided to buy based off of one guide, you're a misinformed smuck who failed to think logically about his decision.

 
jgigz,
Thanks for the reply and I actually agree with you on most points.
I cannot definitively prove that anand is getting binned parts and that they are not just obscenely lucky in all the parts they get for review.
If it is just luck, hey they are the luckiest people I've ever seen, and *consistently* lucky but hey, maybe you're right...
But do we really believe that? With 10s and 100s of millions of dollars on the line for the manufacturer who gets the best anand review, do we really think the manufacturer is not going to take steps to insure anand gets the best darn e4300 they make. I think it would be stupid of the manufacturer not to send anand binned parts don't you?

2. As with the DS3 board, this was not pre-production timing. The e4300 was tested at the time when the 10th yes 10th bios version had been released by Gigabyte. And to get a board at that point in time which does not have the production 'strap' is to say they simply did not get a production board, they got something "special". And this one is actually not a matter of lucky or unlucky parts. Everyone is seeing the strap issue on this board. Everyone except anand...

3. Yep, you're right, after reading reviews at anandtech for years I had come to trust them. You're right, I trusted them too much. It won't happen again. But lets be clear, I'm not disappointed with my parts or my overclock. I got 1.4 ghz for free! What I'm unhappy about is to not see others getting 9x378 on the DS3, I'm upset not to see others get 3.6 on the e4300. Any overclock in my mind is free goodness.

But when anand reviews fail to match up with production parts, that disappoints me.
 
Originally posted by: arcticool
jgigz,
Thanks for the reply and I actually agree with you on most points.
I cannot definitively prove that anand is getting binned parts and that they are not just obscenely lucky in all the parts they get for review.
If it is just luck, hey they are the luckiest people I've ever seen, and *consistently* lucky but hey, maybe you're right...
But do we really believe that? With 10s and 100s of millions of dollars on the line for the manufacturer who gets the best anand review, do we really think the manufacturer is not going to take steps to insure anand gets the best darn e4300 they make. I think it would be stupid of the manufacturer not to send anand binned parts don't you?

2. As with the DS3 board, this was not pre-production timing. The e4300 was tested at the time when the 10th yes 10th bios version had been released by Gigabyte. And to get a board at that point in time which does not have the production 'strap' is to say they simply did not get a production board, they got something "special". And this one is actually not a matter of lucky or unlucky parts. Everyone is seeing the strap issue on this board. Everyone except anand...

3. Yep, you're right, after reading reviews at anandtech for years I had come to trust them. You're right, I trusted them too much. It won't happen again. But lets be clear, I'm not disappointed with my parts or my overclock. I got 1.4 ghz for free! What I'm unhappy about is to not see others getting 9x378 on the DS3, I'm upset not to see others get 3.6 on the e4300. Any overclock in my mind is free goodness.

But when anand reviews fail to match up with production parts, that disappoints me.
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But that is expected almost, these times, I'm sure most people will agree that yeah there probably are a few tweaks here and there for added performance and what not, but going as far as custom parts just seems a little assinine. The mfg's are obviously just looking out for themselves, they try to get a good write up in a review so people will will buy their part, but it will come pretty close to the reviewed part, but a little less in some areas. Again this is all just speculation, nothing can be proven, and hell, I'm leaning more towards the fact that anand and his crew are just amazing at what they do (which would be no surprise as to why they are such a trusted source), and only very few can replicate their results.

 
jgigz-
I don't know if the idea of anand getting custom parts is so 'assinine.' after all, if it is pre-production, it is custom by definition, no?

And funny I passed right over it but I'll quote you:
"Here is what you're missing, just because anand says its expected to run in a certain range, doesn't mean ******."
Yes! I agree 🙂 And that's really my point isn't it...

What's really interesting is how in the case of the Thermalright 120 Extreme, they did a second review, just to do a test on a production part to compare it to the one they got from the manufacturer. Certainly they would not waste their time with such a triviality if they didn't see the problem themselves, that the parts they often get are 'hopped up' just for them.

Edit: And yet, *fine* in the interest of fairness I have to concede that it still is the best review site for now. But unfortunately since they are following in the footsteps of CNET and Tomshardware, this won't be for long. People will eventually catch on that as you say their reviews don't mean s***, and will look for a new trusted review source who's not yet a 'market maker'. Once reviews from sites become worth tens of millions of dollars of sales, once they are the 'undisputed best' that's when it all goes to s***, time and again... Yes, history repeats itself.
 
Originally posted by: arcticool
jgigz-
I don't know if the idea of anand getting custom parts is so 'assinine.' after all, if it is pre-production, it is custom by definition, no?

And funny I passed right over it but I'll quote you:
"Here is what you're missing, just because anand says its expected to run in a certain range, doesn't mean ******."
Yes! I agree 🙂 And that's really my point isn't it...

What's really interesting is how in the case of the Thermalright 120 Extreme, they did a second review, just to do a test on a production part to compare it to the one they got from the manufacturer. Certainly they would not waste their time with such a triviality if they didn't see the problem themselves, that the parts they often get are 'hopped up' just for them.
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Well, my point of saying that was, if you knew it doesn't mean ******, then why'd you base your purchases off of the guide?

Edit: and to answer the question about the revisit to the HSF, is because there is a known defect (which you are expieriencing) that has occured for the production. They revisited that to show that, and thermalright is working to fix the problem.

Edit #2: Anand definitely can be trusted, a company will not make an entirely custom product and just submit it for review, it would take too much time and resources. Again, maybe a few tweaks, but still, anand and his crew really know what they're doing. Would you not agree that all of his tests seem to produce higher results than most end users? I don't think this is due to custom parts, its more or less they are just that good. Its not impossible to replicate his results, and as i've said earlier, accusing anand of getting custom parts is just as ridiculous as saying those who matched his results got them as well.
 
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