Anand: "Intel has performance crown in all measurable categories"

[ST4RCUTTER]

...don't take it like that $20.00 hooker your dad bought for your birthday...


Damn, can I join your family? My birthday's coming up...

 

[CraigRT]

I'm more than satisfied with my overclocked AXP 1800+

 

[jamison]

<< That's why I'm sticking with my 1.4GHz T-Bird until Hammer gets here. >>



That is exactly what I am doing! Have you been spying on me??? I knew someone was watching!

 

[christoph83]

Red Dawn, coming in here and saying the northwood is underpowered in a thread based off Anandtech saying the 2.4ghz northwood is the fastest cpu out there makes you more of a laughing stock than anyone else. You dont seem to want to listen to what anyone says, like recommendations of testing out mp3 decoding ,divx,etc, or even what Anandtech has to say. And considering you bought the northwood based off what? Random hype? Reviews were showing where the northwood puts all its power into actually gains in programs. You must have not been listening to them either. Your not going to see a huge boost with the northwood while posting on Anandtech. Why all the anger with tossing fanboy and fanbitches around? Seems you bought the northwood proccesor for the wrong reason. I dont know where you've been reading about the northwood ,but nowhere did I read that this was the perfect and best chip to own and is the fastest and makes every programs faster an everything will improve on your system not matter what, which is where your expectations seemed to be.


We all know what they are and what I've said is the truth

You've already got a person a few posts back disagreeing with you. But we all know your right and everyone else is wrong.

 

[Adul]

I am going to stick with my current system has well. I expect to upgrade to a hammer after a few months in the market.

 

[Red Dawn]

Hey Pez, it looks as if I insulted some Fanboy's Penis.



<< Seems you bought the northwood proccesor for the wrong reason >>

What's that Fanboy, performance?



<< You've already got a person a few posts back disagreeing with you. But we all know your right and everyone else is wrong. >>

The truth will set you free my fanboy. An XP2100+ is faster than a Pee 4 2200 and the 2400 isn't that much faster (but a lot more expensive) My Pee 4 1.6a @2240 is faster than my 1.2 Tbird but not a ghz faster..well at least not an AMD CPU ghz faster. Compared to an AMD CPU performance per mhz the Pee 4 is underpowered.

And considering you bought the northwood based off what? Random hype? Reviews were showing where the northwood puts all its power into actually gains in programs. You must have not been listening to them either. Your not going to see a huge boost with the northwood while posting on AnandtechI bought it to play with. I bought it because I wanted a cooler and quieter system. I was hoping for more of a discernable performance difference. I bought it because the 1.6 Willy I had was pathetic compared to a 1.4 Tbird.



<< but nowhere did I read that this was the perfect and best chip to own and is the fastest and makes every programs faster an everything will improve on your system not matter what, which is where your expectations seemed to be. >>

And it doesn't and that's what needs to be said.

 

[smp]

Pentium 4 = 20 stages

Athlon XP = 12 stages

cough

G4 = 7 stage pipeline

My point isn't that a G4 is incredible (although I do like it), my point is "so what?"
Just to be a devil's advocate.


Look dudes, you CPU isn't your penis so if I say the P4 it isn't impressive don't take it like that $20.00 hooker your dad bought for your birthday you laughing at ya when you dropped trou. Face it Fanboys, it's overhyped and underpowered. When I upgraded to a 1.2 from a 1 gig P3 I noticed as much performance difference as I did jumping from a 1.2 to a 2.24 Pee 4. The Pee 4 is not that great of a CPU and as soon as you Fanbitches admit it the sooner you will not be a laughing stock.

I love you too.

 

[smp]

Oh yeah .. I'm keeping my 1.4 for the time being too

I guess there's something about those 1.4's eh? I like it hot

 

[Red Dawn]

smp

<< Just to be a devil's advocate >>

It makes life fun

 

[christoph83]

Calling me a fanboy is just a way to make yourself feel right about what you say. Oh he cant possibly be speaking any truth because he's a zombified fanboy. I own 2 AMD and 2 Intel systems. I buy what I think is best when I go to upgrade. I'm in no way a fanboy. If you would have listened to an earlier post you would have realized things can only go a certian speed depending on the software. In most normal programs anything past 1ghz speed is unoticable, and you should know that. But in games like unreal 2, quake 3, mp3 and divx decoding,compression etc,this is where you would see a difference. Go buy a 2100+ XP and see if you see a 700mhz(theorectical with the PR rating) difference in normal program usage. You won't. Only you can wake up and realize this.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< I'm in no way a fanboy. >>

Then why are you bothered when it's fanboys I am addressing? You are getting your panties in a wad for nothing.



<< Go buy a 2100+ XP and see if you see a 700mhz(theorectical with the PR rating) difference in normal program usage >>

If it was an AMD CPU running a 2.1 ghz (forget the PR rating) I know I would see a 700 mhz difference in performance.

 

[pm]

<< The P4 is not an impressive CPU. >>

This statement just irritates me - and I'm not that easily irritated by comments like this. I'm tempted to say, "compared to what?" but I guess it doesn't matter. Pretty much all of the major CPU's on the market today impress me - compared to what I used several years ago... or even last year.

My only question is, Red Dawn, are you purposely trying to provoke people? It seems like you are.

 

[EdipisReks]

i just put my 1.6a@2.4 together tonight, and i am SUPER happy with it over the system that is in my sig. it is noticeably faster than the t-bird @1.47, and the box is SILENT. i'm very happy with it. also, since i sold my old mobo, proc and heatsink for quite a bit of money, this upgrade only cost me $30 .

--jacob

 

[NFS4]

<<

<< The P4 is not an impressive CPU. >>

This statement just irritates me - and I'm not that easily irritated by comments like this. I'm tempted to say, "compared to what?" but I guess it doesn't matter. Pretty much all of the major CPU's on the market today impress me - compared to what I used several years ago... or even last year.

My only question is, Red Dawn, are you purposely trying to provoke people? It seems like you are. >>


Hey, you've just got to know Red Dawn

Anyway, the Northwood is definitely an impressive processor...as is the Athlon XP. It's just that NEITHER one of them makes much sense to ME right now. I'm not a "kidde gamer" anymore as Red Dawn puts it so I don't care about getting 20 more FPS in Serious Sam or Unreal Tournament (Hell, I still have my GF3 Ti 200 clocked at 175/400). I'm more interested in general productivity related tasks. And for that reason, you couldn't get me to jump ship to a fancy new Athlon XP or Northwood. Also, my 1.4GHz T-Bird system isn't loud, so that's not an issue for me.

Like I've said before, clock speed jumps are cool and all, but that's all it is...nothing more. I'm waiting for something more intriguing to peak my interests. Hammer is the next thing that does that for me given its 64-bit architecture and better (than Athlon XP) 32-bit performance.

 

[RanDum72]

Pentium 4 = 20 stages

So what? If they can make 10-12 stages work at 2ghz, the better. I'm no big fan of Intel, I only have AMD CPU's so far (although I'm contemplating a 1.6ghz P4). But AMD needs to get over that 'psychological' hurdle by reaching 2ghz. Its good for marketing more than anything else ( there are still more people that don't understand that 'mhz' is not a true measure of speed vs. those who know)If they do it, it will take a 3ghz P4 to beat it.

 

[BFG10K]

(1) When I upgraded my 1.33 GHz TBird to a 2.2 GHz Northwood I saw a significant increase in performance. Red Dawn, if you can't see much difference from your 1.2 GHz TBird you're obviously looking in the wrong places.
(2) The performance level of the 2.4 GHz Northwood across the board is such that it's generally higher than the 2100+ XP and no amount of AMD zealots screaming in unision will change that.

 

[JellyBaby]

It's safe to say both processors are neck-in-neck with the 2.4 P4 out front a head-length or so. Threads like this don't form when there's one obvious winner.

"Kiddie gamers"? Some of us are serious gamers. We will upgrade when performance is needed.

Why upgrade for the latest Winblows, Orafice or other mundane app? Any P3 will still run them fine. No, it's games and other graphically intense software that makes a lot of us spend money on. Oh and it has nothing (or very little) to do with our wankers either.

 

[Priit]

<< Pentium 4 = 20 stages

Athlon XP = 12 stages

G4 = 7 stage pipeline >>



Blah blah blah... K6 = 6 stages

IMO, overall performace delta between current fastest P4 and AXP isn't very big (for stuff that I do, AXP is still considerably faster). I'm not gamer and even 3D capabilites of my Matrox G450 are good enough for me. I probably won't upgrade my 1Ghz T-bird any time soon (unless someone gives me faster processor for free)...

 

[Diable]

Red Dawn, what do you do with your computer that you can't notice the difference in speed? Try encoding a SVCD or a Divx on both machines and you'll see a difference, a big difference in fact. Do some 3d modling work to and you'll also see a big difference. Hell you could encode some mp3's and you'll see a difference. Either your lying or like Christoph83 said you spend all your time surfing the net, using Word and posting on this fourm.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< Red Dawn, what do you do with your computer that you can't notice the difference in speed?... Either your lying or like Christoph83 said you spend all yourtime surfing the net, using Word and posting on this fourm . >>

Well I'm not lying but I also don't rip DVD's and I do spend most of my time surfing the net, using Word and posting on this fourm. I also encode MP3's and while there is a difference it's not what I would have expected from a ghz jump in speed(or even 500 mhz). So in conclusion, unless you encode, do 3D modeling ,Play Quake or continously run Benchmark progarms the average user would really notice that much of a difference.

PM

<< Pretty much all of the major CPU's on the market today impress me - compared to what I used several years ago... or even last year. >>

Ok.. your point is noted. While impressive, I'm not that impressed with it's performance.



<< My only question is, Red Dawn, are you purposely trying to provoke people? It seems like you are. >>

Me?? Never! ( You know you stepped over the line when PM is bothered)



<< The performance level of the 2.4 GHz Northwood across the board is such that it's generally higher than the 2100+ XP and no amount of AMD zealots screaming in unision will change that >>

Generally? And I'm not an AMD Zealot. At this point I don't even own an AMD Box. I'm just speaking my mind in the fashion that has made me universally popular across this BBS

 

[Rob9874]

Does the Hammer have a platform to run on? Will in run on current Windows versions?

 

[NFS4]

<< Does the Hammer have a platform to run on? Will in run on current Windows versions? >>



1) Yes
2) Yes

 

[Troubadour]

Red Dawn,

First I just want to compliment you on your trolling. I mean this not at all in a pejorative sense; it takes a great deal of talent to mix facts and opinion in such a way as to get so many people fired up like this. It was definitely a pleasure to read, as opposed to most uninformed, misspelled, 2 line flames against a processor. Also, the fastest intel proc I own (and plan to own for the forseeable future) is 266 mhz, so I hope my credentials as not-an-intel-fanboy are sufficient. However, I think an i845 system is the wrong one to use if you want to see a significant increase in speeds in whatever you're using. I could buy an AMD 2000+ system from Best Buy, but my framerates in games would still suck because of the TNT2. Know what I'm saying? Mp3 encoding also suffers from the lack of bandwidth...

Plus, one gets diminishing returns from higher speed processors when encoding. Let's say I'm encoding a file that takes 10 minutes to encode on a pentium 100 and, somehow, manage to control for everything and have it encode in 5 minutes on a p200. That's a big difference. But if we upgrade to a 400 mhz processor and halve the encoding time again, the difference is much less noticeable. Couple that with the fact that 1000 mhz on a P4 is agreed by all to not mean as much as 1000 mhz on an Athlon, and I can definitely see where going to a 2.2 northwood would be an underwhelming experience after having a 1.2 T-bird.

 

[grant2]

Its not really fair to compare the XP 1.6GHz with the Intel 1.6GHz when the first is a superior chip.
AMD is pricing model #s similar to Intels chips... last time I checked the XP 1600+ was below $100 so still significantly less than the 1.6Ghz P4.

"fair" has nothing to do with it. Last year AMD _clearly_ said "we will price athlon below p4s of equal clock speed" ... obviously that policy has quietly evaporated.

AMD says over and over again that PR # is completely unrelated to the p4 so I don't see why you are trying to compare them.

 

[grant2]

What it comes down to is price in the end. However, AMD are the relitive new boys when it compared to Intel. People tend to go with tried and tested options. Better the devil you know as they say.

AMD's been making x86 processors for 15-20 years now. They're only "new boys" when it comes to having the highest performance.... which apparently they no longer do.