Anand does P4

[Weyoun]

i'd have to admit that the p4 has a lot of potential to become a performance leader, but intel really has screwed this one up. rambus, their socket, amd and ddr are all frowning on them...

once this thing has some ddr support, a die shrink, ATX2.03 becomes commonplace, copper interconnects, it'll be in the clear, but they're all things that take time, and in an industry that moves *fast*, that could become an eternity

 

[JJ8]

*After reading the entire article on my $50 Duron 600@800* Anyone else want a cigarette?

JJ

 

[sandorski]

Unless my math is wrong, and it certainly could be, clock/clock the Q3 scores are about even between the Tbird1.2/P4 1.4(the P4 had a slight advantage, but not ownage).

 

[NOX]

<< bbzzzt. try trolling in the waters over there --->

I saw some fish earlier. >>

LMAO!!!

SM: From 1 ? 10, I?ll give your comments a 0.



<< Have a good day PS when will AMD get there 1.5 mhz hehe,Oh they haft to wait for them to make an ice mechine for the heatsinks to cool it i guess. >>

Seeing that the P4 performed so poorly (in most benchmarks I might add) compared to the Athlon 1.2GHz, AMD should be in no hurry to get to 1.5GHz. Since you mentioned it, that heatsink on the P4 did look like an Ice Machine. And please, don?t be calling me an AMD lover, cuz I?m currently running dual PIII 700?s at 933, and love them very much thank you.

Like I said, some of the benchmarks do show hope for the P4, knowing that SSE2 should be available for developers soon is more hope. Though it?s speculation at this point if developers take full advantage of that or not. The 760 will be widely available soon, Intel?s only hope is that the P4 will be cheap.

 

[RagingGuardian]

IBMer your argument is poor. Are you going to buy such an expensive processor to play at 640*480? At high resolutions the other processors play catch up pretty easily. Let's not forget to mention the Unreal Tournament, Expendable and MDK2 scores.

I'm not ging to go as far as saying that the P4 is dead but I see absolutely no way the P4 can handle an equally clocked Palomino. SSE2 optimisations only go so far.

 

[Priit]

This is cool ! And I was afraid that P4 will kill T-bird... silly me

 

[Muerto]

And I should rush out right now and buy a P4 why? Sorry Intel, not today. Awesome review Anand.







If only GUTB was around to see this.

 

[PliotronX]

Gotta love that AMD

 

[LXi]

<<If only GUTB was around to see this.>>

From FiringSquad news, GUTB proudly states that P4 will RAPE anything AMD.

 

[Sunner]

WTF is up wit' dis $hit?
I mean really, I didnt honestly expect much but this is sadly pathetic.
Granted its memory performance in incredible, but who gives crap if that doesnt translate into better real world performance.

Granted, it will egt better with time as developers optimize for it, and new revisions come out, but until then, what are they gonna do?
If they cant make it perform better somehow, and soon, AMD is gonna eat them alive for several more quarters.

 

[Sharkmeat]

I went back and read the review again and one thing stood out when he said the word &quot;Hopfulley&quot;.What did he mean?.

 

[LXi]

<<What did he mean?.>>

It means that there is a fat chance P4 will continue to suck.

 

[Linh]

intel the new underdog?

 

[LXi]

The way I look at it, they dont even deserve to be called an underdog.

 

[Eli]

LOL ... I knew AMD would reign supreme.

 

[Dexion]

Glad I bought my current system for cheap, and still be keep up in benchmarks with the P4 at 1/4 the price


This outcome is actually not surprising seeing all the previous blunders with Intel. I reckon to see how the &quot;Blue Men&quot; dance now before the &quot;Athlon Train&quot; bowl them over

 

[MikeyP]

The P4 does not live up to the T-Bird right now, but that is not to say that it won't. SSE2 has the potential to make a gigantic improvement concerning the performance of the P4. Best case scenario would be that SSE2 eventually rapes everything I mean, AMD has it coming too at the end of 2001.



<< Then again, how many systems does AMD send out to companies for them to optimize their products for it. 3DNow and 3DNow! Ext. aren't really that great. AMD is even pitching them in favor of SSE and SSE2.

That isn't a good sign.
>>



I beg to differ. 3DNow! is equivalent--if not better in many respects--to SSE. Programmers are generally a lazy breed, that is where the new Intel compilers come in. Hopefully, programmers will not have to code for SSE2, the compiler takes care of it for them. This will immediatley garner support for SSE2, causing it to be the standard for SIMDs. Once AMD jumps on the bandwagon, it will cause even more support. SSE2 will eliminate many of the weaknesses of the x86 architecture, causing much better performance without losing backwards compatibility, i.e. IA-64. SSE2 is a wonderful concept, and I hope it takes off!

 

[Modus]

Of all people, I'm am actually starting to feel sorry for Intel. . . well maybe not

Actually, the Q3A scores are pathetic. It's basically as fast as an Athlon DDR, clock for clock, even though SSE is supposed to own Quake3.

What really makes me sick is that no matter how much the P4 sucks, Intel will be fine. If you know NOTHING about computers, you KNOW what a Pentium is. And when you walk into CompUSA and talk to the dirty salseman who compares an Intel Pentium IV 1500 MHz to an AMD &quot;Athalon&quot; 1200 MHz, you go with the bigger number and the bigger name. With Intel's enormous capital base, there is simply NOTHING that AMD can ever do to catch up. No matter how many times AMD offers better value (and they have ever since the 486) Intel will always own the market due to the incredible amount of cash they can dump into brainwash-er-marketting. Isn't capitalism grand?

I think I'm going to puke.

Modus

 

[William Yu]

I doubt SSE2 support will have a huge impact on the P4 in its current state. On the surface, SSE2 sounds pretty good -- execute multiple 64-bit floating point operations simultaneously. The problem is that SSE2 uses the x87 FP unit to do the work -- which means you're limited to 1 operation per cycle max anyways. Now, SSE2 will still be faster than x87 because you bypass the antiquated stack architecture.

Here's a few messsages that might make this issue a bit clearer.

http://www.jc-news.com/pc/bbs/index.cgi?read=31489
http://www.aceshardware.com/cgi-bin/ace/tech.pl?read=10390
http://www.aceshardware.com/cgi-bin/ace/tech.pl?read=10366

 

[Dexion]

As amazing as SSE2 sounds or looks on paper, I still don't see any huge benefits that the predecessor SSE has given us(yes I own a Pentium 3 and a Celeron 2). Not many programs or software are optimized for SSE, so I don't see it as an advantage or a necessity to even own a P4 that has this set of new &quot;added&quot; instructions(well at least not yet). Its pretty much useless until new programs are written specifically optimized for it.

If you look at how long MMX took to settle in, it will at least(and I'm being optimisitic) take a 2 or 3 years to have a full line of software and games that would support this instruction set. Heck, look how long 3Dnow! and T&amp;L is taking to settle in.

If the future does use SSE2, it won't be til 1 or 2 years from now. By then AMD will have their ClawHammer(with SSE2) out.

 

[Hardware]

PIV perfect for all q3 640x480 online gamers!


The PIV is for the important offive/home range a virtual nogo!
For me its a desater for Intel!

 

[Dexion]

<< PIV perfect for all q3 640x480 online gamers! >>



I don't think so, because over 100 fps is already perfect. No monitor can display over 190fps or even 100fps, infact the average monitor refresh rate is 85hz-100hz(fps). The extra 100 or so frames aren't necessary and even if there is a monitor that can display it, our human eyes are not able to percieve it. Our eyes are susceptible to a maximum of 85fps(which is why monitors don't need higher refresh rates), anything beyond that visually look the same(other than the higher number at the top of the screen).

I highly doubt 200fps would make you a better player.



<< The PIV is for the important offive/home range a virtual nogo! For me its a desater for Intel! >>



What the heck are you saying?

 

[Sunner]

I think he's saying Intel's fscked in the office, which I dont agree with, but they're definately in trouble.

 

[PliotronX]

Dexion, if you knew about how certain framerates affect Q3 physics and strafejumping, you would be eating your words. It requires at least 60fps added to keep a constant framerate. Let's say our target framerate is 120fps to cap in Q3. At 6x4, most monitors support 120hz, and some support 120hz at 8x6, so we can rule that out. Now if we want to keep the framerate at a constant 120fps, so that it never drops even in heavy firefights, the system will have to clear 180fps.

Professional gamers agree that in FPS games, *consistently* high framerates do matter. It's a heck of a lot easier to aim with a 100+ framerate than with a 60fps framerate.

I just wanted to clear that up, cause I hate it when people run around saying &quot;who needs 200fps anyways?&quot;

 

[Hardware]

As I said for the $$$ elite q3 gamer a PIV is great!