Analyze the Morality of this

[Ausm]

I downloaded this incredible high Quality Rip of Yes's famous 90125 Album and my buddy told me technically that was illegal.

Hell, I own the vinyl album and the CD but I could NEVER get a rip that sounded this fabulous.

I don't understand why I would be in the wrong if I OWN the album but my buddy insists the act of downloding it from (unnamed place) is illegal.

I think it is B.S. myself....


Ausm

 

[Spikesoldier]

it would be the same as if you backed up that vinyl record yourself.

i dont understand, but your buddy is a moron.

 

[ElFenix]

downloading isn't the illegal part, redistributing is

 

Just because you have cookies in your house, you're not allowed to walk into a store, grab a box of cookies, and walk out. Owning something is not an excuse for stealing an identical item.

 

[toekramp]

Originally posted by: jumpr
Just because you have cookies in your house, you're not allowed to walk into a store, grab a box of cookies, and walk out. Owning something is not an excuse for stealing an identical item.

your analysis makes 0 sense, the store is now without that product and no one can buy those cookies..

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: jumpr
Just because you have cookies in your house, you're not allowed to walk into a store, grab a box of cookies, and walk out. Owning something is not an excuse for stealing an identical item.

Jumpr my buddy thinks the same way you do but I have a hard time understanding his way of thinking.

No Slam on you BTW, that is why I wanted to discusss this.


Ausm

 

[StageLeft]

It's not "wrong", even if it is illegal. Legality and morality have a lot of overlap, but are rarely perfectly in line.

Jumpr your analogy is not very good

 

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's not "wrong", even if it is illegal. Legality and morality have a lot of overlap, but are rarely perfectly in line.

Jumpr your analogy is not very good

Well that's the way I understand it!

Seriously though, I realize that there are unlimited copies of the music b/c it's in digital format, but I just don't think it's right, from a moral standpoint, since it's technically taking 'property' that's not yours.

BTW, if you own the CD AND the vinyl, how is it impossible for you to get a high-quality rip from it? Can't you just encode in WMA lossless? Or is there something I'm missing here.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's not "wrong", even if it is illegal. Legality and morality have a lot of overlap, but are rarely perfectly in line.

Jumpr your analogy is not very good

Well that's the way I understand it!

Seriously though, I realize that there are unlimited copies of the music b/c it's in digital format, but I just don't think it's right, from a moral standpoint, since it's technically taking 'property' that's not yours.

BTW, if you own the CD AND the vinyl, how is it impossible for you to get a high-quality rip from it? Can't you just encode in WMA lossless? Or is there something I'm missing here.

I tried various programs and tools but it never really sounds that good. The rip I aquired sounds like you are in the studio... simply amazing.

Ausm

 

[tk149]

Morally, it's fine.

Legally, it's wrong IMHO. You're allowed to make backup copies of your OWN CD's for home use under the Fair Use provisions of the Copyright Code, but you're not allowed to copy someone else's.

Stupid laws.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: jumpr

Originally posted by: Skoorb
It's not "wrong", even if it is illegal. Legality and morality have a lot of overlap, but are rarely perfectly in line.

Jumpr your analogy is not very good

Well that's the way I understand it!

Seriously though, I realize that there are unlimited copies of the music b/c it's in digital format, but I just don't think it's right, from a moral standpoint, since it's technically taking 'property' that's not yours.

BTW, if you own the CD AND the vinyl, how is it impossible for you to get a high-quality rip from it? Can't you just encode in WMA lossless? Or is there something I'm missing here.

Well, let's assume that he can't rip for some reason. Now, what's wrong with DLing a copy? Nobody is selling a special high-quality version. All they're selling is vinyl, CD, etc. He already bought those, so how can he possibly give the owner of the material a single penny more? He can't, and they are not losing out on anything by him DLing a higher quality version. They lose nothing at all (whereas if you steal cookies from a store, that costs the money), PLUS they can't gain a single thing by him not doing it and buying it (since it can't be bought), and thus he should DL with abandon.

 

[mugs]

I'm pretty sure it's technically a copyright violation, but I agree with Skoorb that it is not wrong in an ethical sense.

 

[jjones]

No, it's not a morality issue at all. What you are doing would be like saying you couldn't rip your Yes album very well but then took it to a friend to rip because he has much better software to do it.

 

[brigden]

Originally posted by: jumpr
Just because you have cookies in your house, you're not allowed to walk into a store, grab a box of cookies, and walk out. Owning something is not an excuse for stealing an identical item.

Wrong logic. There is nothing wrong with what Ausm has done.

 

[DaveSimmons]

As a certified Goody Two-Shoes I say this is neither immoral nor unethical.

Legally, who knows.

Ethically, you own a license to the music, in fact you say you have already bought _2_ licenses.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

You're allowed to have a digital backup of a CD you own. What's the difference between ripping it yourself or using somebody else's rip? There's nothing wrong morally with downloading a copy rather than making your own. The guy you downloaded from might be on shaky moral ground, you're not.

It does raise the question as to why you're not able to easily duplicate the quality of somebody elses rip though.

 

[SociallyChallenged]

Actually, the law says that if you own a CD or that music, you are allowed to have the mp3s. By either downloading them or ripping them, you can do this. Your buddy is in the wrong. I had a cop come in my house and he saw all my burned CDs and made a comment, and then I showed him all the other original CDs that were scratched beyond repair. He said "Oh, ok, that's good. You're probably the only person I know who knows how the mp3 system works."

+Brent

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Make sure to yell at your buddy if he ever goes 1mph over the limit, does a rolling stop, jaywalks, or any other event warranting of rubbing his overly pious face in his own junk.

- M4H

 

[Stark]

to any reasonable human being, you did nothing wrong

to the RIAA, you're going to hell.