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Analyst suggests MS give Win7 away free to Vista Ultimate users.

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Originally posted by: KeithTalent

It is, of course, entirely possible I just did not use any of the features that were causing problems for people. All of my hardware was quite new at the time, so I think that helped as well, since I recall people having issues with older hardware/drivers.
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I want ISA support back damnit! Only then will I upgrade. :|
 
I have Vista Ultimate on both the work and home laptop as well as the home pc. I've not had a single problem with any of them beyond not having a VPN x64 application, but that isn't Microsoft's fault.
 
I chose Ultimate for the combination of Business and Home Professional features.

Although that robot game is kinda lame.
 
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: krylon
I'll be the minority here: Vista SP1 has treated me well
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That's not a minority. That's the truth, once you push past all the bullshit.

Vista is a damn fine OS. Remarkably stable, and yet still maintains the functionality of the Windows brand. 😉

Windows 7 is essentially an improved, dressed up version of 7, and I will definitely upgrade within a few months of release.

Vista was simply tarnished at release due to terrible driver support (a few companies still hasn't gotten around to providing quality legacy drivers, but whatever, not Microsoft's fault by any means). UAC annoyed/pissed people off, but I'd argue it was a remarkable feature that keeps the system stable with the less 'capable' crowd.
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So they released an operating system that they knew lacked compatible drivers that would cause the OS to bork out on many many computers but didn't tell anybody that, and that's not in any way their fault?

I'm not suggesting the hardware manufacturers aren't sharing the blame, but its a little silly to suggest the maker of the OS that flat out didn't work on a lot of computers doesn't have some of the fault on their end as well.
 
Originally posted by: krylon
I'll be the minority here: Vista SP1 has treated me well
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Actually same here. it was unusable when it first came out, but now it's pretty solid. Love the sidebar 🙂

Still not too fond of the network settings layout though.
 
Originally posted by: Slick5150
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: krylon
I'll be the minority here: Vista SP1 has treated me well
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That's not a minority. That's the truth, once you push past all the bullshit.

Vista is a damn fine OS. Remarkably stable, and yet still maintains the functionality of the Windows brand. 😉

Windows 7 is essentially an improved, dressed up version of 7, and I will definitely upgrade within a few months of release.

Vista was simply tarnished at release due to terrible driver support (a few companies still hasn't gotten around to providing quality legacy drivers, but whatever, not Microsoft's fault by any means). UAC annoyed/pissed people off, but I'd argue it was a remarkable feature that keeps the system stable with the less 'capable' crowd.
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So they released an operating system that they knew lacked compatible drivers that would cause the OS to bork out on many many computers but didn't tell anybody that, and that's not in any way their fault?

I'm not suggesting the hardware manufacturers aren't sharing the blame, but its a little silly to suggest the maker of the OS that flat out didn't work on a lot of computers doesn't have some of the fault on their end as well.
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That's pretty typical with new OSes. Well, MS OSes at least, not sure about Linux/Unix/OS X. They had a tool that would help you determine if your hardware was compatible.

I'm sure Vista has improved since launch, and I know Vista lovers get annoyed because people still hate it so much, but they have to understand that the people who don't like Vista really did have negative experiences with it. In many cases those experiences were so negative that they wiped out any desire to give Vista another chance. In my case, it was two unrecoverable "OS not Found" errors at boot. Both times I had to reformat and reinstall; the second time I reinstalled XP. That experience, combined with the fact that Vista offered me nothing really noteworthy that XP didn't already do for me, made it pointless for me to give Vista another chance.
 
Originally posted by: Slick5150
So they released an operating system that they knew lacked compatible drivers that would cause the OS to bork out on many many computers but didn't tell anybody that, and that's not in any way their fault?

I'm not suggesting the hardware manufacturers aren't sharing the blame, but its a little silly to suggest the maker of the OS that flat out didn't work on a lot of computers doesn't have some of the fault on their end as well.
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That happens with any major OS upgrade.

Where MS really screwed up, IMO, is with their little app that looked for drivers for a component or peripheral, and then said that no driver was available. For example, my brother has an HP 13x19 printer (IDR the model). MS's app told him that no drivers were available for Vista - that ticked him off. I told him to check HP's website and, lo and behold, a Vista-compatible driver was there for download.

People want forward-thinking OSes, then complain when old legacy equipment isn't supported.
 
Vista for me wasn't the total disaster it was said to be, but it is very sluggish compared to XP. I still prefer running XP on several of my boxes over Vista. Needing a big upgrade in cpu/gpu/memory etc just to maintain about the same performance is not a step up. We'll see if W7 does better in that area.
 
I have Vista Ultimate, and after using it for about 6 weeks on my latest rig, went back to XP Pro. It never performed that well for me, though my home desktop HW is mediocre :

E5200 @ 3.5Ghz
4GB DDR2-1066
1TB WD Sata
9600GT 512MB PCIE
 
Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Vista for me wasn't the total disaster it was said to be, but it is very sluggish compared to XP. I still prefer running XP on several of my boxes over Vista. Needing a big upgrade in cpu/gpu/memory etc just to maintain about the same performance is not a step up. We'll see if W7 does better in that area.
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Agreed.

Something that bothers me is just the sheer unpredictability of how Vista is going to run. I've seen fresh OEM installs on Quads that run like total crap, and then old AMD X2 Socket 939 boxes running Vista Ultimate just fine (pretty snappy) with DDR1 ram and 2-3 year old hard drives.

There's nothing worse than having a 3.5Ghz Core2 box with 4GB of ram, and having the HDD chew itself up like it has rabies while you sit there running a single browser. Oh, and then click on something innocuous like Media Player or Acrobat, and sit for several seconds before anything at all happens.
 
Originally posted by: videogames101
Analyst: Stupid

Vista Buyers: Idiots, it performed bad upon release and by the time(now) that vista performs comparably to XP we have 7 around the corner, bad purchase decision.

(Windows 7 coming soon wasn't really a secret)


"It's OK for stupid to hurt"


(Not to mention, if you really think there is really no noticeable difference between Vista and 7, stick with Vista, and you don't get burned.)
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i had no option to not buy vista.
 
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Vista for me wasn't the total disaster it was said to be, but it is very sluggish compared to XP. I still prefer running XP on several of my boxes over Vista. Needing a big upgrade in cpu/gpu/memory etc just to maintain about the same performance is not a step up. We'll see if W7 does better in that area.
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Agreed.

Something that bothers me is just the sheer unpredictability of how Vista is going to run. I've seen fresh OEM installs on Quads that run like total crap, and then old AMD X2 Socket 939 boxes running Vista Ultimate just fine (pretty snappy) with DDR1 ram and 2-3 year old hard drives.

There's nothing worse than having a 3.5Ghz Core2 box with 4GB of ram, and having the HDD chew itself up like it has rabies while you sit there running a single browser. Oh, and then click on something innocuous like Media Player or Acrobat, and sit for several seconds before anything at all happens.
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i've had quirks like this since i got vista. Why does my dvd drive need to spin up when i download a file? I dunno.
 
I never did have any issues with Vista other than the requirement for more resources and since I'm to cheap to even buy the OS, let alone new hardware, I've been sticking with XP.

Once I do get around to upgrading my hardware to something that's newer that 5 years old I'll gladly use Windows 7/Vista/Whatever new version is out then.
 
Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
The only reason I have Vista Ultimate is because it was the only edition my school sold. Otherwise I'd never waste money on MS promising extra crap down the road. Why would you pay up front for software that hasn't even been described yet? That's basically what Ultimate Extras are.
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I have Vista Ultimate.

Got it from a buddy who was working at microsoft. Nice and cheap. Why not get the shiniest one?
 
Originally posted by: LordMorpheus
Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
The only reason I have Vista Ultimate is because it was the only edition my school sold. Otherwise I'd never waste money on MS promising extra crap down the road. Why would you pay up front for software that hasn't even been described yet? That's basically what Ultimate Extras are.
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I have Vista Ultimate.

Got it from a buddy who was working at microsoft. Nice and cheap. Why not get the shiniest one?
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Exactly... if it doesn't cost you anything extra, why not? But I wouldn't pay $180 when Home Premium is just $100.

It'd be a nice little perk if I got 7 for free or cheap simply because I own Ultimate, but I'm not counting on it. MS owes me nothing. I've been a Vista user since I switched back from Macs in January '08 and I've been very happy with it.
 
Originally posted by: Arkaign
Originally posted by: PokerGuy
Vista for me wasn't the total disaster it was said to be, but it is very sluggish compared to XP. I still prefer running XP on several of my boxes over Vista. Needing a big upgrade in cpu/gpu/memory etc just to maintain about the same performance is not a step up. We'll see if W7 does better in that area.
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Agreed.

Something that bothers me is just the sheer unpredictability of how Vista is going to run. I've seen fresh OEM installs on Quads that run like total crap, and then old AMD X2 Socket 939 boxes running Vista Ultimate just fine (pretty snappy) with DDR1 ram and 2-3 year old hard drives.

There's nothing worse than having a 3.5Ghz Core2 box with 4GB of ram, and having the HDD chew itself up like it has rabies while you sit there running a single browser. Oh, and then click on something innocuous like Media Player or Acrobat, and sit for several seconds before anything at all happens.
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100% agree with you here. regardless of what people say (im installing it wrong, driver hell, you just suck at installing windows, blah blah), this is EXACTLY what happens to my c2q desktop, but my old opteron at 2.5Ghz (now sold) machine ran vista just fine.

seriously...i have 2 copies of vista ultimate (x86 and x64 with separate keys for each) sitting here doing nothing. i'd love to trade it for a cheap copy of 7 professional or ultimate, but thats never going to happen...🙁
 
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