Analyst says Wilson outed his wife in 2002

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: zendari

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A retired Army general says the man at the center of the CIA leak controversy, Ambassador Joseph C. Wilson, revealed his wife Valerie Plame's employment with the agency in a casual conversation more than a year before she allegedly was "outed" by the White House through a columnist.

Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely told WorldNetDaily that Wilson mentioned Plame's status as a CIA employee over the course of at least three, possibly five, conversations in 2002 in the Fox News Channel's "green room" in Washington, D.C., as they waited to appear on air as analysts.

Vallely and Wilson both were contracted by Fox News to discuss the war on terror as the U.S. faced off with Iraq in the run-up to the spring 2003 invasion.

Vallely says, according to his recollection, Wilson mentioned his wife's job in the spring of 2002 ? more than a year before Robert Novak's July 14, 2003, column identified her, citing senior administration officials, as "an Agency operative on weapons of mass destruction."


Does this mean Wilson will be charged with treason just as the liberals want?

Was Wilson actually obligated to keep that informed secret? Legally I mean? Classification doesn't apply (AFAIK) the same way to people who just happen to know the information as it does to people who are officially cleared to know it. If I had a clearance, and told you something that was classified, I would almost certainly be breaking the law. If you repeated it to someone else, would YOU be breaking the law (I assume you don't actually have a clearance)?

In any case, very few people involved in this have been charged with much of anything, much less treason. I personally think the hammer should come down on anyone who broke the law regarding classified information, I'm just not sure Wilson qualifies based on this.

Wilson was not the kind of Ambo that we respected!

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: zendari
Yup, the liberals are so desperate now that they are out of power they'd do anything to circumvent justice in their attempts to bring down even a White House aide.

Yep ... it was a big disappointment for the bleeding hearts when Cheney and Rove walked away scot-free from the Fitzgerald probe.

All they managed to snag was a ham sandwich ...

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Think the investigation is "over", Pabster? You Wish. It's just beginning, and will continue until the whole sordid mess is dragged out into the light, or until Bush leaves office, whichever comes first...

The CIA Leak investigation is. Who knows how many other "investigations" the Democrats will try and start. I vote we start with Carter and Clinton's misleading of America, Ted Kennedy's drunk driving cover-ups, and the illegal (immoral) fundraising tactics of senators like Chuck Schumer. Since we're so "investigation" hungry all of a sudden...

None of this would have been necessary in the first place if the Whitehouse hadn't felt it necessary to smear their detractors, or if the "full cooperation" had been forthcoming, rather than the whole staff lawyering up like mafiosi...

So let's see... Over 2 years of investigation thus far and what, one indictee?

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
This whole song and dance is entirely too convenient, as is some of the other disinformation in this thread.

Even if Wilso did speak as claimed, which I doubt, he was speaking with somebody who obviously had top security clearance in the first place. Not quite the same as shopping it around to reporters so that they'd publish it...

The apologists have been grasping at straws, desperately building strawmen for some time now- this is no different.

:thumbsup:

Another :thumbsup:

Never mind this is a case of he says, she says, and no one can comfirm what this guys is claiming. The apologists obviously have difficulties comprehending the difference between a private conversation and leaking classified info to the media, and publishing it so everyone can read about it.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Think the investigation is "over", Pabster? You Wish. It's just beginning, and will continue until the whole sordid mess is dragged out into the light, or until Bush leaves office, whichever comes first...

Or until Fitzgerald comes to the conclusion that he doesn't have enough evidence to prosecute, and shoots for the perjury charge instead...sounds familiar doesn't it.

None of this would have been necessary in the first place if the Whitehouse hadn't felt it necessary to smear their detractors, or if the "full cooperation" had been forthcoming, rather than the whole staff lawyering up like mafiosi...

Until you have evidence or proof of such wrongdoing, you are grasping at straws.

The apologists obviously have difficulties comprehending the difference between a private conversation and leaking classified info to the media, and publishing it so everyone can read about it.

Classified information is protected...it is not something you simply pass along in casual conversation, even to someone else with the same clearance...it is strictly on a need to know basis, and very much controlled.

 

[Strk]

I wish I could understand why they're only going for the perjury charge. It's not like there is a question on whether or not he did it.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

Think the investigation is "over", Pabster? You Wish. It's just beginning, and will continue until the whole sordid mess is dragged out into the light, or until Bush leaves office, whichever comes first...

Or until Fitzgerald comes to the conclusion that he doesn't have enough evidence to prosecute, and shoots for the perjury charge instead...sounds familiar doesn't it.

None of this would have been necessary in the first place if the Whitehouse hadn't felt it necessary to smear their detractors, or if the "full cooperation" had been forthcoming, rather than the whole staff lawyering up like mafiosi...

Until you have evidence or proof of such wrongdoing, you are grasping at straws.

The apologists obviously have difficulties comprehending the difference between a private conversation and leaking classified info to the media, and publishing it so everyone can read about it.

Classified information is protected...it is not something you simply pass along in casual conversation, even to someone else with the same clearance...it is strictly on a need to know basis, and very much controlled.

well then if that is the case starbuck, then these WH officials are already guilty for sharing classified info between themselves. it's amazing how people will defend this administration, they are so blindly partisan they don't even realize what a bunch of lying crooks this WH is made up of.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: zendari
If information is truly clasified, how would someone just "happen" to know it without clearance?

Even IF he did (which i doubt he did), a retired General does not have clearance?! Jebus zendari, this is low even for you and your partisan blinders. Pathetic.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Strk
I wish I could understand why they're only going for the perjury charge. It's not like there is a question on whether or not he did it.

It's called We've Got Nothing Else, better charge something. Save face.

2 years and over a million dollars to indict a ham sandwich. Government in action! 😛

 

[Starbuck1975]

well then if that is the case starbuck, then these WH officials are already guilty for sharing classified info between themselves. it's amazing how people will defend this administration, they are so blindly partisan they don't even realize what a bunch of lying crooks this WH is made up of.

No it is called understanding the nuances of the various government agencies, and the respective restrictions on each level of security clearance...it is not a question of being blindly partisan...it is a question of having worked in that realm, and therefore having a better understanding of what the rest of you are knee jerk reacting to...perhaps it is you who are being blindly partisan, as your hatred for the Bush Administration has already preconditioned you to assume guilt when there is none, see scandal where there is no evidence otherwise, and engage in the kind of witch hunt antics that your camp blasted the right for not so many years ago.

I wish I could understand why they're only going for the perjury charge. It's not like there is a question on whether or not he did it.

LOL...if there was not question of his guilt, they would be prosecuting...just because the left wing witch hunt wants it to be so does not mean that a crime was actually committed...if Fitzgerald had the evidence, he would be prosecuting for the crime, not perjury...which like many have pointed out is the Kenneth Starr save face approach when you have nothing else.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: Pabster
The libbies trying to excuse this as "An administration trying to destroy [insert characters here]" forget that this ridiculous investigation is already over 2 years long and NOT A SINGLE PERSON has been charged or indicted in connection with it. Why would the Administration need any "defense" now when the investigation is, for all intents and purposes, over?

Yup, the liberals are so desperate now that they are out of power they'd do anything to circumvent justice in their attempts to bring down even a White House aide.

And the conservatives are so close to being out of power BECAUSE they have continually circumvented justice, their cooked intelligence, fake war, propaganda, etc. Enjoy your reign, less than 1 year left. :laugh:

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

The apologists obviously have difficulties comprehending the difference between a private conversation and leaking classified info to the media, and publishing it so everyone can read about it.

Classified information is protected...it is not something you simply pass along in casual conversation, even to someone else with the same clearance...it is strictly on a need to know basis, and very much controlled.

Nope, you are incorrect. According to Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982

Whoever, having or having had authorized access to classified
information that identifies a covert agent, intentionally discloses any
information identifying such covert agent to any individual not
authorized to receive classified information, knowing that the
information disclosed so identifies such covert agent and that the
United States is taking affirmative measures to conceal such covert
agent's intelligence relationship to the United States, shall be fined
not more than $50,000 or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

There is a difference between revealing such info to people with clearance and the general public. Plus you don't know what happened in that conversation, if that conversation ever occurred. Wilson could've said his wife work for CIA but not mention in what capacity. The leak was specific that Valerie Plame is a cover CIA agent working on WMD. There is a huge difference.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Pabster
The libbies trying to excuse this as "An administration trying to destroy [insert characters here]" forget that this ridiculous investigation is already over 2 years long and NOT A SINGLE PERSON has been charged or indicted in connection with it. Why would the Administration need any "defense" now when the investigation is, for all intents and purposes, over?

This post right here shows just how out of touch with reality Pabster really is. Not a single person charged or indicted in connection? Scooter Libby. Investigation over? No, it actually continues unabated.

I guess you can shove your head right back in that hole in the ground now . . .

 

[Harvey]

zendari -- Do you have ANY proof of that, other than some dregs from tinfoil beany sites like worldnetdaily? :roll:

Don't forget to ask for the beany with the kewl flashing blue LED's. 😛

If you really want to get an idea of Joseph Wilson's credibility, you should see his interview on Larry King Live. The link is to a transcript, but actually seeing him responding in real time with no notes or prepared statements is very telling. The guy's completely credible... unlike anyone in the Bush administration.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
This post right here shows just how out of touch with reality Pabster really is. Not a single person charged or indicted in connection? Scooter Libby. Investigation over? No, it actually continues unabated.

Pray tell, but have you actually read the indictment? The charges are NOT for the outing of a CIA operative, as Fitzgerald was to investigate. They are by-products of the investigation itself. Take off your partisan blinders.

I guess you can shove your head right back in that hole in the ground now . . .

Can you breathe?

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
This post right here shows just how out of touch with reality Pabster really is. Not a single person charged or indicted in connection? Scooter Libby. Investigation over? No, it actually continues unabated.

Pray tell, but have you actually read the indictment? The charges are NOT for the outing of a CIA operative, as Fitzgerald was to investigate. They are by-products of the investigation itself. Take off your partisan blinders.

I guess you can shove your head right back in that hole in the ground now . . .

Can you breathe?

Ahhhh, the backpeddling begins! You said "in connection" ... Scooter Libby's indictment is VERY MUCH in connection.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Nope, you are incorrect. According to Intelligence Identities Protection Act of 1982

I wasn't talking about the leak to the media...I was talking about any conversation Wilson may have had with Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely .

Someone with a classified clearance cannot simply access the entire repository of classified information, across various agencies...similarly, it is not appropriate for those with classified clearances to speak about any and all topics to others with classified clearances.

Classified information is just that...close hold, and not to be shared outside of a need to know basis.

Assuming the OP is correct, Wilson was possibly in violation of the parameters and restrictions on his clearance.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Ahhhh, the backpeddling begins! You said "in connection" ... Scooter Libby's indictment is VERY MUCH in connection.

You've been backpedaling.

The comment I made was that not a single person has been charged in connection with the outing of a CIA operative, which was the focal point of Fitzgerald's operations. And that is true.

You keep playing word games ... I've noticed the liberal MSM tends to obscure the fact that the charges against Libby are not for the outing of a CIA operative, with lines similar to "he was charged....in connection with the outing..."

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Ahhhh, the backpeddling begins! You said "in connection" ... Scooter Libby's indictment is VERY MUCH in connection.

You've been backpedaling.

The comment I made was that not a single person has been charged in connection with the outing of a CIA operative, which was the focal point of Fitzgerald's operations. And that is true.

You keep playing word games ... I've noticed the liberal MSM tends to obscure the fact that the charges against Libby are not for the outing of a CIA operative, with lines similar to "he was charged....in connection with the outing..."

You're the one playing stupid word games. You said "in connection" and the indictment of Scooter is clearly in connection to the Plame investigation. And of course the charges are for perjury, he's lying so much the investigation can't conclude whether he outted the CIA agent or not. Hence, the investigation continues . . .

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
You're the one playing stupid word games. You said "in connection" and the indictment of Scooter is clearly in connection to the Plame investigation. And of course the charges are for perjury, he's lying so much the investigation can't conclude whether he outted the CIA agent or not. Hence, the investigation continues . . .

I was, clearly (to those without tin-foil hats mounted), trying to point out the FACT that the indictments handed down against Libby are NOT for the outing of Plame, but, rather, for alleged crimes committed during the investigation in to that outing. The spinners and FUD-spreaders have been mischaracterizing this FACT for weeks now.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Pabster
The libbies trying to excuse this as "An administration trying to destroy [insert characters here]" forget that this ridiculous investigation is already over 2 years long and NOT A SINGLE PERSON has been charged or indicted in connection with it. Why would the Administration need any "defense" now when the investigation is, for all intents and purposes, over?

Over? I doubt it!

Pray tell, but have you actually read the indictment? The charges are NOT for the outing of a CIA operative, as Fitzgerald was to investigate. They are by-products of the investigation itself. Take off your partisan blinders.

One problem, Harvey. The indictment doesn't charge ANYONE for disclosing Plame's identity. The charges are completely unrelated to the scope of the original investigation.

I've read all of the indictment. Rove and Libby have both admitted they did it. The only question is whether Fitzgerald can dig through their lies deep enough to prove that facts support an indictment for the underlying crime, along with their other felonies of lying to the Grand Jury and the FBI and obstruction of justice.

The only thing I don't get is, based on what they've already admitted, why any idiot would stand up for these cretins? :roll:

 

[zendari]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: zendari
Yup, the liberals are so desperate now that they are out of power they'd do anything to circumvent justice in their attempts to bring down even a White House aide.

And the conservatives are so close to being out of power BECAUSE they have continually circumvented justice, their cooked intelligence, fake war, propaganda, etc. Enjoy your reign, less than 1 year left. :laugh:

Who is circumventing justice? The liberals are the one trying to get Rove indicted on a hateful vendetta even though Fitzgerald thus far has found no criminal activity.

How can the liberals support punishing an innocent man?

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: zendari

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: zendari
Yup, the liberals are so desperate now that they are out of power they'd do anything to circumvent justice in their attempts to bring down even a White House aide.

And the conservatives are so close to being out of power BECAUSE they have continually circumvented justice, their cooked intelligence, fake war, propaganda, etc. Enjoy your reign, less than 1 year left. :laugh:

Who is circumventing justice? The liberals are the one trying to get Rove indicted on a hateful vendetta even though Fitzgerald thus far has found no criminal activity.

How can the liberals support punishing an innocent man?

Pretty much the same way that conservatives support killing innocent Iraqis.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Pretty much the same way that conservatives support killing innocent Iraqis.

If by innocent you mean these insurgent knuckleheads that are indiscriminately targeting their own people in the name of Allah.

The only thing I don't get is, based on what they've already admitted, why any idiot would stand up for these cretins?

Possibly because it is unclear if a crime was even committed, and last I checked, neither Rove nor Libby admitted to committing a crime.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: umbrella39
Pretty much the same way that conservatives support killing innocent Iraqis.

Typical liberal. Just can't have a discussion about anything without bringing up Iraq. 😕